I wonder if that recognises Paul Hudson?
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Mega Thread The Father-Son Mega thread - 2025 update
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HedgeFund
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Paul played 134 games for Hawthorn
He arrived at the end of 1989, under the VFL father son rules, just before the AFL officially commenced.
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Looks like Kobe Williams debuted for Footscray in the VFL this weekend. He is linked to the Dogs under NGA.
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It's not splitting hairs, it's an important distinction to make when you talk about Father Son selections and possibly getting rid of the system and claim that "these are the clubs advantaged by father son selection."
Sure you can consider him a father son selection because he nominated under the system, but then it wasn't needed so he shouldn't be considered a father son selection as the father son rule wasn't invoked.
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The important thing here is the nomination process.
Once a player nominates FS, that's it, they are on the hook.
Other clubs may consider selecting the FS but then consider the discount and it often doesn't align as the FS club has easier access to them.
It was a little different with Calsher as he was a speculative pick at the end of the draft but he still nominated the Hawks as a FS so was assured to come to us with our last pick in any case.
Once a player nominates FS, that's it, they are on the hook.
Other clubs may consider selecting the FS but then consider the discount and it often doesn't align as the FS club has easier access to them.
It was a little different with Calsher as he was a speculative pick at the end of the draft but he still nominated the Hawks as a FS so was assured to come to us with our last pick in any case.
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The only reason the FS for Calsher is relevant is if it put clubs off him which I strongly doubt. He hardly played any footy and was very speculative. I don’t care about father sons outside the first round now that the system was changed from when Geelong rorted it.
Meanwhile all the Nthn Academy clubs will still get unfettered access to first round players?
Not sure actually. I think she did say something about either the academies or ngas or both might also be wound up but I didn't catch exactly what she said so I don't want to mislead anyone by guessing. But I'm sure she did mention them at the same time..
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Of course they will.
Then any potential 1st rd pick who is deciding between an academy and his Dad's team will choose the academy, as the latter option means he has no say where he goes.
I cant believe that all this rorting of the academy dsystem has led to.... watering down the much fairer F/S system.
I ****en hate this comeptition sometimes
Nominating father-son activates/invokes the father son rule. Period. Your fixated on requiring a matching bid to therefore legitimise the father son selection but that is not correct as this is simply a mechanism within the father son rule that can be used once the father-son rule has been activated through nomination. There is no requirement for it to be used it's there to be used if required.
If you don't like it take it up with the AFL because I don't know how much clearer to make this.
Because the father son rule is there to ensure a player can go to their fathers club. You nominate so that club has the option to match a bid.
Western Bulldogs benefited from this rule because it allowed them to get Darcy even though their draft pick wasn't high enough to select him. That is the entire point of the rule and nomination. He was Pick 2 in the draft and GWS wanted him, but due to Father Son nomination, WB could match.
Just because a player is a son of another and nominates. Doesn't mean the rule has been used to benefit. Hawthorn drafted him with their available pick. Sure, whack that label on him as father/son as he nominated, but it doesn't change the fact that Hawthorn didn't benefit from the system.
If there is no bid and you just draft the player with your pick. They shouldn't be used in an argument of which club benefit's most from it, as there was no advantage to the club from the F/S rule.
I honestly don't know why you are arguing this point with me about who benefits and quite frankly I have zero interest in debating it.
All I did was reply to your assertion that Calsher Dear was not a Father Son selection with evidence showing otherwise with both the AFL and Hawthorn stating this fact and trying to explain why, yet you've just gone on this goal shifting tanget of who's benefitting etc which I never once engaged in. Give it a rest.
Think of how successful we have been since 61. And then compare that with how little we have benefited from F/S and academies etc. it’s lucky for the rest of the league that these measures have been implemented otherwise 20 flags would have been achieved.
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What else could Luke Hodge say? Cooper has another year before his draft year, he needs a footy club to play at and develop.
HedgeFund
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Sorry?
Which Hawthorn gun father sons did we miss out on due to Academy selections?
Which other clubs’ father/sons could we have selected to prevent those other clubs from winning GFs that we should have made / won.
In which seasons did the Bulldogs, Pies or Cats beat us to a flag due to their superior F/S returns?
Just because we have been the most successful club, doesn’t mean the F/S and Academy Rules have in any way diminished that success.
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I think you’ve misinterpreted what I’m saying. I’m saying if we’d had as much success with F/S and academies the rest of the comp would be even more headf***ed
Kalani White has nominated Melbourne F/S over Gold Coast NGA. Fingers crossed Cooper does the same.
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They did say that, so you didn't miss-hear.
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He is an outside draft chance at best, GC don't want him.
Hodge is a 3rd rounder at best as well. Will come down to whether either Hawks or Lions even want him
I really don't understand why the AFL tries to make things so hard, the father-son tradition is great for the game.
My thoughts are this:
1) say a potential club A's F/S is picked in the draft by club B at pick 5;
2) club A, who's first original pick (as per ladder position) is pick 10, they can use this pick to "match" club B's pick for the F/S, ie Club B must use their next original pick in the draft, whether that be in round 1, 2 or 3 but it must be the next original pick, not skip a round or slip down places because they have done a pick swap last year ie Hawks and Carlton;
3) if club B has traded or swapped picks these cannot be used as these potential father sons are scouted years in advance and that will be the club's decision to plan or not to for that F/S.
The same process can also be implemented for academy picks.
My thoughts are this:
1) say a potential club A's F/S is picked in the draft by club B at pick 5;
2) club A, who's first original pick (as per ladder position) is pick 10, they can use this pick to "match" club B's pick for the F/S, ie Club B must use their next original pick in the draft, whether that be in round 1, 2 or 3 but it must be the next original pick, not skip a round or slip down places because they have done a pick swap last year ie Hawks and Carlton;
3) if club B has traded or swapped picks these cannot be used as these potential father sons are scouted years in advance and that will be the club's decision to plan or not to for that F/S.
The same process can also be implemented for academy picks.
The biggest problem I have with the father son and the NGA rules.
Is that we are treating people differently, based on reasons beyond their control.
Before you can get a contract first we must ask who are your parents, where were they born and where were you born.
If i hired anyone in my industry based on these questions. I would probably be arrested.
Is that we are treating people differently, based on reasons beyond their control.
Before you can get a contract first we must ask who are your parents, where were they born and where were you born.
If i hired anyone in my industry based on these questions. I would probably be arrested.
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They are not even close to an equivalent situation though.
The player is not being hired because of their parents or where they were born, they're hired on their talent. Not to mention that they are able to choose not to go to their NGA/FS club anyway.
