Preview The forward line setup!

[Bird Man]

I have seen A Edwards and Mc Guanes names mentioned. These two are depth only players. if either plays more than 5 or 6, then we are a big chance to miss finals again. Neither of these players is of the standard of a finals quality side and the sad fact is if they are playing regularly, Richmond is in big trouble. We need a younger player to come through and force out these types. I know I'll get lambasted for saying this( Here we go Rusty ), both are duds!

Okay who is a ahead of of Aaron as the the 3rd tall?

 

[_RT_]

I have seen A Edwards and Mc Guanes names mentioned. These two are depth only players. if either plays more than 5 or 6, then we are a big chance to miss finals again. Neither of these players is of the standard of a finals quality side and the sad fact is if they are playing regularly, Richmond is in big trouble. We need a younger player to come through and force out these types. I know I'll get lambasted for saying this( Here we go Rusty ), both are duds!

In a side like ours where Edwards can be 3rd string, rather than the key focal point, I can see him being very much part of a finals forward line. Edwards is capable of taking contested grabs, is arguably the most accurate shot for goal in the comp and will force the opposition to play a decent defender on him, which means taking away the opportunity for that defender to double up on Jack.

If we take him out the options are Griffiths Astbury Elton McBean & O'Hanlon. IMO we can't play 3 195cm+ forwards which we would if we had Jack Vickery and 1 of Griffiths/Astbury/Elton/McBean as it just makes us too top heavy and the ball will be leaving our F50 at a rate of knots once it hits the ground. Also with Elton and McBean they are both rakes and nowhere near ready to play at this level. O'Hanlon showed some promising signs last year, but I don't see him being a big threat to the opposition and they will likely sit their best zone off defender on him and use that to set up play.

 

[sregit]

Okay who is a ahead of of Aaron as the the 3rd tall?

Once Chaplin is fit enough to play then I would have Griffiths up forward as the third tall. If he is required down back, the alternative would be Astbury or Elton. I would rather put games into these two. For Richmond to truly advance Edwards and McGuane can not be regulars.

 

[Ralll]

Default forward line
HF: Nahas, 3rd tall, Resting Mid
F: S.Edwards, Riewoldt, Vickery

Not sure who gets 3rd tall, Griff/Astbury/McGuane/Edwards/someone else.
Talls rotate 1 out at chf at all times.
Vickery to get back into 2011 form.
Edwards joins Nahas as our best crumbing duo after last season.

 

[tigerdan]

What I really like about this thread is that no-one has picked Jackson (except me). I really hope that means he is forced out of the side (or at least to the bench) rather than being played in the midfield this year. If he is played in the midfield consistently this year we will go backwards.

 

[Bird Man]

Once Chaplin is fit enough to play then I would have Griffiths up forward as the third tall. If he is required down back, the alternative would be Astbury or Elton. I would rather put games into these two. For Richmond to truly advance Edwards and McGuane can not be regulars.

I think Griffiths will play back not forward cause he plays the role way too well

 

[tunksy]

Had a different forwards coach then, you could see a real difference from how we operated when Danny Daley was forwards coach compared to last year when he moved to midfield and Mark Williams took over. Hopefully our set ups improve this year in regards to when the ball enters the forward line.

dont see why we arent simply useing the 'jack should lead' approach instead of chaning that aspect of dalys plan. im still not sold on williams as the forward coach. will be a telling year for him I think. daly has also been good for the midfield so id now hate to take him out of there.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

LMAO @ people pencilling A.Edwards in for 1.5 - 2 goals per game when he's only averaged 0.66 goals per game over his entire career.

LMAO @ anyone pencilling Riewoldt in for 3-4 goals a game when he's only averaged 2.3 for his career.

And those stats are wrong, it's actually 124 goals in 82 games, not the other way around. It's 1.51 goals per game.

 

[Heisenberg_]

IQd the Hawthorn game and watched it last night and it reaffirmed to me that Ben Griffiths needs to play down back, absolute weapon.

 

[Harmichael]

LMAO @ anyone pencilling Riewoldt in for 3-4 goals a game when he's only averaged 2.3 for his career.

Actually I ****ed that up - Edwards does average 1.5 - entered games & goals in the calculator the wrong way around- caught it a split second before I deleted it ya prick.....

Still, his highest ever season tally is only 34. Considering he's a dead-eye dick that's a pretty damn mediocre return. The only saving grace I can see is that if he gets the same amount of opportunities that Miller got, he'll at least convert more of them.


As for Riewoldt - still young, didn't kick many early on. Think he's averaged 3 since his first Coleman/ breakout year.

 

[3rdManUp]

Been watching North games that Edwards played in with a keen eye on him. I'm not overly impressed. Still dropped a lot of marks, no second efforts, if it goes to ground he is unlikely to take it over the opposition. Is an improvement on McGuane and Miller but is still meh..... Aaron Mehdwards

Agree, is for depth only

 

[tigerdan]

dont see why we arent simply useing the 'jack should lead' approach instead of chaning that aspect of dalys plan. im still not sold on williams as the forward coach. will be a telling year for him I think. daly has also been good for the midfield so id now hate to take him out of there.

I think last year we tried too hard to make Jack to the 'team thing' and dish off handballs or short passes all the time. I know it was to try to get us away from being too Riewlodt-centric, but it stymied his natural game (yet he still won the Coleman).

I hope this year we ease up on his directive to do the team thing. Let's face it, he's there to kick goals. Sure if he's in the pocket on his wrong side then by all means dish it off, but let's not forget what the objective is.

Like others have said, I hope that the recruitment of Edwards is to drag one of the loose defenders away from Riewlodt. One on one you would have to back him most of the time. And if they do persist with double teaming, then Edwards (or Vickery) should get a lot of the ball instead. Even putting Martin or Cotchin at for spells at FF will prove a difficult machup. Both are quite good on the lead.

 

[JR82]

Had a different forwards coach then, you could see a real difference from how we operated when Danny Daley was forwards coach compared to last year when he moved to midfield and Mark Williams took over. Hopefully our set ups improve this year in regards to when the ball enters the forward line.

agreed, it's an area in which we have gone backwards while everywhere else we have improved alot as a team.

 

[theflea]

start with the ball being delivered in there properly instead of being bombed in

We can only hope.

 

[sregit]

agreed, it's an area in which we have gone backwards while everywhere else we have improved alot as a team.

We have gone ahead in most areas other than the forward line and that is because the young talent has started to come through. Unfortunately with the forward line we keep trying to fill KPP spots with players who have never had the necessary talent. Vickers and Jack will be the backbone of our side in the short term but McGuane and A.Edwards are never going to take us to the top reaches of the eight. Plodders both of them. Trust the youth. griffiths, Astbury, Elton and others must be trusted to improve. not old hacks.

 

[theflea]

The problem with A.Edwards is if we want him to have a 30 goals season he is only getting the same as the player he has replaced. Nahas,king,s.Edwards as permanant fwds all do this anyway and we are trying to replace 1 of them or at least reduce their on field time. With TV back and lets say another 40 odd goals this year we actually dont need to have AE. Back up only. With our small fwds they all provide an avenue to goal, defensive pressure, run in and out of fwd50 etc, its just that they need to be more efficient at doing the little things better. Structually its ok imo.

 

[Bojangles17]

Im really looking forward to how this plays out as it will be pivotal to our improvement in 2013. I can see the likes of
Aaron edwards, petterd and knights all getting a real crack during pre season to see who we can add to the mix r1.

I reckon edwards will get a real good go as another effective marking forward would be good chemistry for jack. Only 1 of petterd and knights will fit, assuming a full squad. So my r1 is

King. jack a.edwards
Knights vickery s edwards

 

[tigerfan11]

HFF: Newman, vickery, knights
FF: s Edwards, Jack, astbury.

Rotating dusty, cotch and lids through while resting. Newman, knights or Edwards can push into the middle as needed. Newman would help improve deliver the ball better into fwd line. A Edwards is depth only. Astbury not ready for CHF so start in pocket.

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

IQd the Hawthorn game and watched it last night and it reaffirmed to me that Ben Griffiths needs to play down back, absolute weapon.

Was thinking the same thing as I was watching it, ColeTrain. Was it his first game back there? IIRC...

 

[Heisenberg_]

Pretty sure it was, seem to recall them saying it was his first game of the year.

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

Been watching North games that Edwards played in with a keen eye on him. I'm not overly impressed. Still dropped a lot of marks, no second efforts, if it goes to ground he is unlikely to take it over the opposition. Is an improvement on McGuane and Miller but is still meh..... Aaron Mehdwards

Agree, is for depth only

If you consider him better than Miller & McGuan (when they were first 22 players), how do factor him as a depth only?

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

Pretty sure it was, seem to recall them saying it was his first game of the year.

Very, Very impressive performance first up in a new role. Showed more in 1 match than the 2 odd yrs we put into Post in trying to teach him the position

 

[Heisenberg_]

Very, Very impressive performance first up in a new role. Showed more in 1 match than the 2 odd yrs we put into Post in trying to teach him the position

One is a natural footballer, the other had the athletic traits but lacked the football smarts.

 

[JR82]

We have gone ahead in most areas other than the forward line and that is because the young talent has started to come through. Unfortunately with the forward line we keep trying to fill KPP spots with players who have never had the necessary talent. Vickers and Jack will be the backbone of our side in the short term but McGuane and A.Edwards are never going to take us to the top reaches of the eight. Plodders both of them. Trust the youth. griffiths, Astbury, Elton and others must be trusted to improve. not old hacks.

agree there mate - bolded players are the future there but have been injured at various stages and Elton isn't ready as yet

 

[Bird Man]

We have gone ahead in most areas other than the forward line and that is because the young talent has started to come through. Unfortunately with the forward line we keep trying to fill KPP spots with players who have never had the necessary talent. Vickers and Jack will be the backbone of our side in the short term but McGuane and A.Edwards are never going to take us to the top reaches of the eight. Plodders both of them. Trust the youth. griffiths, Astbury, Elton and others must be trusted to improve. not old hacks.

Griffiths = a defender not a forward now
Astbury= depth player and is overrated on this board
Elton= Needs another year in the 2's unless chocco works his magic (hope so)

There is a reason we got Edwards.. and it was so we have time for our young players develope without pressure early