Preview The forward line setup!

[tigerdan]

Astbury= depth player and is overrated on this board

You might be proven right, but I think it's way too early to be sure about it. I am expecting him to establish himself this year. My only problem is whether Vickery will prevent him from getting a game as a KPF.

 

[Bird Man]

You might be proven right, but I think it's way too early to be sure about it. I am expecting him to establish himself this year. My only problem is whether Vickery will prevent him from getting a game as a KPF.

i hope that i am wrong ... its just people on here some times get a bit carried away when players are injured and only remember the good instead of the bad

 

[tigerdan]

The problem with A.Edwards is if we want him to have a 30 goals season he is only getting the same as the player he has replaced. Nahas,king,s.Edwards as permanant fwds all do this anyway and we are trying to replace 1 of them or at least reduce their on field time. With TV back and lets say another 40 odd goals this year we actually dont need to have AE. Back up only. With our small fwds they all provide an avenue to goal, defensive pressure, run in and out of fwd50 etc, its just that they need to be more efficient at doing the little things better. Structually its ok imo.

You've got a point, but I would argue that it's a bit more complicated than just swapping 30 goals from one player for 30 goals from another.

With the small guys you mentioned the opposition will play small defenders on them. With Edwards, even though he is not huge, the opposition will be forced to play someone on him who can compete in the air. I think that is the rationale for getting him, because it should ease the pressure on Jack being double teamed.

If it comes down to Edwards essentially replacing Jackson in the forward line rather than Nahas / King / Edwards, then if you ask me it's win win.

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

Griffiths = a defender not a forward now
Astbury= depth player and is overrated on this board
Elton= Needs another year in the 2's unless chocco works his magic (hope so)

There is a reason we got Edwards.. and it was so we have time for our young players develope without pressure early

Mark it Down.
Edwards is a lock for rd 1. Its then his position to loose. My only knock on him as from what I've seen he seems a bit lazy so whether he does the little things like chasing would be the only reason I see him being dropped

 

[tigerdan]

i hope that i am wrong ... its just people on here some times get a bit carried away when players are injured and only remember the good instead of the bad

Yeah, you're right about that. We all want him to break out this year, but all he has shown is glimpses. I hope it's due to injuries but time will tell. But I did like the glimpses I saw

 

[3rdManUp]

If you consider him better than Miller & McGuan (when they were first 22 players), how do factor him as a depth only?

I suppose I'm looking at it in a 3 year scope. I didn't consider Miller to really be in the ideal 22 and McGuane was only bought in because of injuries. I see Edwards as covering development and injuries. Will prove to be a handy foil for Jack but other than that I doubt he will really have an impact- BUUUT, I'm very, very happy to be proven wrong on that one.

Knights on the other hand... there's something in the Adelaide water I reckon. If he pans out the way I think he will, we should really get the crows a muffin basket or something to thanks for the players we've snagged from them

 

[nut]

No , hoping Astbury , Elton or Vickery make it their own but I think they'll lead with McGuane first up. Just been getting that feeling from the training sessions.

Not mention the impact Mcguane had in the forwardline in the last part of the season. He is a strong mark and competes hard. Just needs to finish off a little better and a few more games under his belt up forward will make him more comfortable.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Not mention the impact Mcguane had in the forwardline in the last part of the season. He is a strong mark and competes hard. Just needs to finish off a little better and a few more games under his belt up forward will make him more comfortable.

Sad but true . Although he has along way to go to make up for those howlers against Freo IMO .

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

Not mention the impact Mcguane had in the forwardline in the last part of the season. He is a strong mark and competes hard. Just needs to finish off a little better and a few more games under his belt up forward will make him more comfortable.

Thats been the story of his career. He wont be getting better now no matter how many games u give him to feel comfortable, as u say. For mine McGuan is a last, last, last resort, behind even Derickx

 

[Dr Tigris]

Actually I have a sligthly different take than some. We need JR and TV to hold the key positions, probably titch and nahas for smalls. After that I find it quite interesting. Some training reports have talked about the players (mids - Dusty, Lids, Knights, Newman) doing shots from outside 50 on the run. Given our long kickers we could easily make that a central aprt of our approach. Which means you want to break up any defensive line across the 50. So having talls close to goal or pushing out. Griff helps there because he is a realistic chance at 60 out. So the denfence have to go with him, then that leaves holes behind him. TVs speed and hieght make it very difficult to match up on yhim and so he can draw the defenders out away from the 50. If we do that successfully it then means the defence has to not double team the talls. Then our talls become available for good passes.
This only works if we have multiple viable leading targets, not just JR. Focussing on A Edwards is a secondary issue that provides us with an option if the young guys don't do what's needed, or need a rest.
To me oyur forward line is looking like being focused on talls markign targets adn long kicking mids, with some smalls to get crumbs. Two more years and I reckon we are there.

 

[sante]

HF: Knights - Vickery - King
F: S. Edwards - Jack - Martin

 

[Morro]

FF Edwards Jack Titch
HFF Knights Ty King

Nahas, LIds, Dusty, Cotch and hopefully Newy all rotating through.

Gives us 3 permanant marking options, 2 genuine pressure smalls and spots for mids to all rotate through as required.

I would still prefer to see Griff as the 3rd tall but have conceded this is not the plan.

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

FF Edwards Jack Titch
HFF Knights Ty King

Nahas, LIds, Dusty, Cotch and hopefully Newy all rotating through.

Gives us 3 permanant marking options, 2 genuine pressure smalls and spots for mids to all rotate through as required.

I would still prefer to see Griff as the 3rd tall but have conceded this is not the plan.

Me likey

 

[theflea]

You've got a point, but I would argue that it's a bit more complicated than just swapping 30 goals from one player for 30 goals from another.

With the small guys you mentioned the opposition will play small defenders on them. With Edwards, even though he is not huge, the opposition will be forced to play someone on him who can compete in the air. I think that is the rationale for getting him, because it should ease the pressure on Jack being double teamed.

If it comes down to Edwards essentially replacing Jackson in the forward line rather than Nahas / King / Edwards, then if you ask me it's win win.

Firstly jackson is not in the debate- irrelevant as for me IF he plays he rotates of the bench. As for AE, yes your right he is better in the air BUT he is worse at ground level and in rotation within the middle of the ground. So it comes down to what the coaches want- do they want a virtual permanent fwd who will kick 30 a year but doesnt provide much in the way of fwd50 pressure and run in the middle of the ground and takes away a position to rest a mid, or a medium/small fwd who is not as good in the air but much better at fwd50 pressure, opportunist goal sneaking(rather than lead and mark) and can rotate thru the middle of the ground which can let a mid rest for a while. Im not saying i have the answer but to me the latter provides a better mix, more flexability as opposed to not that much more goal output.

 

[Morro]

Firstly jackson is not in the debate- irrelevant as for me IF he plays he rotates of the bench. As for AE, yes your right he is better in the air BUT he is worse at ground level and in rotation within the middle of the ground. So it comes down to what the coaches want- do they want a virtual permanent fwd who will kick 30 a year but doesnt provide much in the way of fwd50 pressure and run in the middle of the ground and takes away a position to rest a mid, or a medium/small fwd who is not as good in the air but much better at fwd50 pressure, opportunist goal sneaking(rather than lead and mark) and can rotate thru the middle of the ground which can let a mid rest for a while. Im not saying i have the answer but to me the latter provides a better mix, more flexability as opposed to not that much more goal output.

If he doesnt do the team things then he wont play IMO. It really is that simple.

 

[nut]

Thats been the story of his career. He wont be getting better now no matter how many games u give him to feel comfortable, as u say. For mine McGuan is a last, last, last resort, behind even Derickx

Mcguane kicked 15 goals 10 in 9 games from only 31 marks in 2012. With a little bit better polish and a few more games up forward it wouldnt be to hard for him to suddenly become a 40+ goal a year forward, something not to sneeze at. Alot of his work was done around packs, clubs have been hell bent on that "small defensive" forward, with Mcguane we get a forward that can compete in a pack plus work hard below the knees and also apply defensive pressure. If he starts upforward round 1 and is given a few games there I would expect that he would build on last years form to the disbelief of most on BF.

As always people remember the major brain fades that you could count on 1 finger... and forget the hard work he does.

 

[Morro]

Mcguane kicked 15 goals 10 in 9 games from only 31 marks in 2012. With a little bit better polish and a few more games up forward it wouldnt be to hard for him to suddenly become a 40+ goal a year forward, something not to sneeze at. Alot of his work was done around packs, clubs have been hell bent on that "small defensive" forward, with Mcguane we get a forward that can compete in a pack plus work hard below the knees and also apply defensive pressure. If he starts upforward round 1 and is given a few games there I would expect that he would build on last years form to the disbelief of most on BF.

As always people remember the major brain fades that you could count on 1 finger... and forget the hard work he does.

I cant believe I am going public with this but I do agree Nut.

I have said similar.

 

[nut]

I cant believe I am going public with this but I do agree Nut.

I have said similar.

Jack can also thank Mcguane for helping him get the Coleman.... With TV out and Miller, Mcguane was also able to perfom well enough to make oppostition defenders accountable. Mcguane is your Moneyball player, Not yet 26 (12th Feb), 93 games experience. For a KPP this is when they normally start to hot their straps.

 

[Harmichael]

Stats, schmats, McGoof is a hack.

If he plays 22 games, then 22 games is all Richmond will be playing. The End.

 

[tunksy]

I cant believe I am going public with this but I do agree Nut.

I have said similar.

31 marks in 9 games, thats actually pretty good. Very surprised honestly. Also agreeing so thats 3 of us vs the rest of BF HA!

 

[tunksy]

Stats, schmats, McGoof is a hack.

If he plays 22 games, then 22 games is all Richmond will be playing. The End.

What rubbish! Its a team game. One player will not hugely affect our season that much that we will or will not make or play finals because of them. What about our other supposed hacks that play 22 games? jackson? you cant have a team of superstars! Sydney are probably the best example, they are underrated constantly yet when push comes to shove they perform more than not. Their spread of quality role players is enormous. McGuane could still come out and surprise a few this year (if indeed the club even goes with him as first option) and prove to be a valuable role player up forward. truth be told he did very well up forward in such a small amount of time without any (or much) previous experience in the role. If given the chance he could get better (he has one more year to prove it). Stranger things have happened in football. Think some people are really blowing the freo game out to be what he dishes up every single game.

 

[Del65166]

31 marks in 9 games, thats actually pretty good. Very surprised honestly. Also agreeing so thats 3 of us vs the rest of BF HA!

make that 4.

I hated him in defence, still do. He musn't play there.

But I couldn't believe how well he played up fwd. Sure he goofed a few things but I thought his marking and kicking were above average.

And since he's played so much in defence you don't have to teach him that part of the game.

He is a really unusual case because very few are able to reinvent themselves as he did.

I know little about Edwards but if he can't be defensive, there's no place for him. There's no point kicking 30 goals yourself but letting your opponent loose to start scoring chains.

I like the idea of Astbury having a role up fwd, but I think he will only get 2nd or 3rd digs at it. Coming in after injury or poor form.

 

[theflea]

If he doesnt do the team things then he wont play IMO. It really is that simple.

Yes. hopefully.

 

[Bojangles17]

Actually I screwed that up - Edwards does average 1.5 - entered games & goals in the calculator the wrong way around- caught it a split second before I deleted it ya prick.....

Still, his highest ever season tally is only 34. Considering he's a dead-eye dick that's a pretty damn mediocre return. The only saving grace I can see is that if he gets the same amount of opportunities that Miller got, he'll at least convert more of them.


As for Riewoldt - still young, didn't kick many early on. Think he's averaged 3 since his first Coleman/ breakout year.

Fair to say he hasnt shared the forward line with a coleman medalist before....that ll help and agreed he will make more of the opps than miller buggered up

 

[Heisenberg_]

The guy from the club I was watching training with this morning reckons Edwards has been a bit of a standout at training.