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[tunksy]

make that 4.

I hated him in defence, still do. He musn't play there.
%110 percent agree looks so much better forward and he even lays tackles. (wasn't he a forward as a junior?)

But I couldn't believe how well he played up fwd. Sure he goofed a few things but I thought his marking and kicking were above average.

better than what they were in defense for sure, he isn't the greatest kick we've got but hes a decent set shot and at least he'll be kicking towards our goals.

And since he's played so much in defence you don't have to teach him that part of the game.
agreed he is good defensively and can improve further as a defensive forward.

He is a really unusual case because very few are able to reinvent themselves as he did.

he is more promising forward but I think it will come down to the NAB games as to who plays where and who gets first shot, but I would like to try him before A.Edwards.

I know little about Edwards but if he can't be defensive, there's no place for him. There's no point kicking 30 goals yourself but letting your opponent loose to start scoring chains.

also agree. he needs to prove he has more string to his bow, we bag nahas for not being bale to play midfield why cant this bloke? first and foremost however I just want him to be able to chase a tackle defensively.

I like the idea of Astbury having a role up fwd, but I think he will only get 2nd or 3rd digs at it. Coming in after injury or poor form.

I too love the idea of him forward I just have this feeling we are still unsettled on where to play him, but we do have options at both ends of the ground. he's shown some good signs in some games but he still needs to develop further and take his game up a notch to be first in line for an role forward or back (and I do want the bloke to succeed!)

 

[tunksy]

The guy from the club I was watching training with this morning reckons Edwards has been a bit of a standout at training.

more competition the better i say!

 

[Heisenberg_]

one thing that puts Edwards in front of McGuane automatically for me is he is a dead eye dick in front of goals, inaccuracy really cost us big time last year.

 

[tunksy]

one thing that puts Edwards in front of McGuane automatically for me is he is a dead eye dick in front of goals, inaccuracy really cost us big time last year.

I can see you point of view but the inaccuracy was for a number of reasons, the entry's for one. I honestly think a better system will be more effective and make the difference between the dead eye dick edwards and mcgaune hardly noticeable. it'll be a hard thing to judge I think. it'd also help if jack had his normal kicking shoes on too! would have won the coleman in a canter if he was at his usual converting %.

god we need the season to start (and im just back from footy training!)

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

Mcguane kicked 15 goals 10 in 9 games from only 31 marks in 2012. With a little bit better polish and a few more games up forward it wouldnt be to hard for him to suddenly become a 40+ goal a year forward, something not to sneeze at. Alot of his work was done around packs, clubs have been hell bent on that "small defensive" forward, with Mcguane we get a forward that can compete in a pack plus work hard below the knees and also apply defensive pressure. If he starts upforward round 1 and is given a few games there I would expect that he would build on last years form to the disbelief of most on BF.

As always people remember the major brain fades that you could count on 1 finger... and forget the hard work he does.

You've got to be joking right. Whats that saying about polishing a turd?
The only way McGaun kicks 40 goals is if he has 500 shots on goal. And thats 500 set shots coz we all know his form running into open goals.
And Harmichael is SPOT ON. If McGaun plays the majority of the season then we are rooted!

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

one thing that puts Edwards in front of McGuane automatically for me is he is a dead eye dick in front of goals, inaccuracy really cost us big time last year.

Ummm how about co-ordination?....

 

[RogerDean]

McGuane is a handy spare parts man- useful as cannon fodder and not much more, but thats not to say he wont play an important role...finals teams arent comprised of 22 top line players... a blend of players with particular roles is what is needed...the players that get picked first are those who can play more than one role. Like wise with A.Edwards..has one particular role that he plays well...same as Jackson. All these guys are in the mix and so are the guys we tried last year...dont be surprised if a player whose skills we have doubted stands up to be counted... and dont be surprised if a player who we thought we could rely on, disappoints us...thats the way it always is.

 

[sregit]

Griffiths = a defender not a forward now
Astbury= depth player and is overrated on this board
Elton= Needs another year in the 2's unless chocco works his magic (hope so)

There is a reason we got Edwards.. and it was so we have time for our young players develope without pressure early

I do not wish to debate if Griffiths is a forward or back, however, you have stated that Edwards was recruited so we have time for our young fellas to develope without pressure. I don't agree. I respect your opinion but I believe he was recruited in case of injury. Nothing else. If Astbury, Elton or any other younger player shows the capacity to play this third tall role then you can expect McGaune and Edwards to get very few games. These younger players will have a lot of pressure on them immediately. Regardless of what you think of his ability the pressure will be on Astbury to deliver very soon. Elton will be given more time but he has been set a target of more than 10 senior games by Choco and told his aim should be 16.

Once again I'll say if McGuane or Edwards play the majority of games then I believe we are not making the gains that we had hoped for and will struggle to make the eight. Also I am not condemning RFC for recruiting Edwards and many of the older rookies. They are insurance against large injury numbers. Not development.

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

I do not wish to debate if Griffiths is a forward or back, however, you have stated that Edwards was recruited so we have time for our young fellas to develope without pressure. I don't agree. I respect your opinion but I believe he was recruited in case of injury. Nothing else. If Astbury, Elton or any other younger player shows the capacity to play this third tall role then you can expect McGaune and Edwards to get very few games. These younger players will have a lot of pressure on them immediately. Regardless of what you think of his ability the pressure will be on Astbury to deliver very soon. Elton will be given more time but he has been set a target of more than 10 senior games by Choco and told his aim should be 16.

Once again I'll say if McGuane or Edwards play the majority of games then I believe we are not making the gains that we had hoped for and will struggle to make the eight. Also I am not condemning RFC for recruiting Edwards and many of the older rookies. They are insurance against large injury numbers. Not development.

Disagree. Edwards will be starting 22 & a marked improvement on Miller\McGaun (& thus an improvement on the side). Its up to the likes of Astbury/Elton to develop enough to get past him. Dont see it happening this yr. Maybe next

 

[Harmichael]

What rubbish! Its a team game. One player will not hugely affect our season that much that we will or will not make or play finals because of them. What about our other supposed hacks that play 22 games? jackson? you cant have a team of superstars! Sydney are probably the best example, they are underrated constantly yet when push comes to shove they perform more than not. Their spread of quality role players is enormous. McGuane could still come out and surprise a few this year (if indeed the club even goes with him as first option) and prove to be a valuable role player up forward. truth be told he did very well up forward in such a small amount of time without any (or much) previous experience in the role. If given the chance he could get better (he has one more year to prove it). Stranger things have happened in football. Think some people are really blowing the freo game out to be what he dishes up every single game.

LMAO - "the Freo game"? How about his entire career? We are ****ed if he plays 22 games because it will mean our depth is still shit, other, better players haven't stepped up, are badly out of form or injured and we're stucturally compromised through having a deficient player in a crucial role.

If we were playing all 22 games only against the likes of Port, Melbourne, GWS, Footscray & Brisbane (i.e.the crap teams below us he looked good against in mostly meaningless matches) we might be a chance but fact is we have to play all the good teams and the teams that finished above us and were vying with us for finals as well. In those crucial games against those teams last year he was exposed and was either crap or did nothing.
Shining in walks in the park against bottom 4 sides is all well & good but when the season is on the line, the likes of McGoof will bite you on the arse and let you down everytime. Seriously, forget the Freo sub-Auskick efforts and go watch the Scum game and in particular the lead up to McClean's goal just for starters, because that's the real summation of what he ultimately offers.

Only at Richmond could a player like him stay on a list for nearly a decade and get to within spitting distance of 100 games. He'd would've barely got 10 games anywhere else and been delisted after the mandatory 2 years.

 

[SA TIGER]

Geez it feels good when we all know that Jack WILL have multiple genuine partners in crime this season coupled with small forwards and booming flankers.

 

[nut]

Mcguane showed enough up forward in his 9 games there to be high up as a forward option. It's why he is still a listed Richmond player. You' ll need to learn to live with it.

 

[nut]

You've got to be joking right. Whats that saying about polishing a turd?
The only way McGaun kicks 40 goals is if he has 500 shots on goal. And thats 500 set shots coz we all know his form running into open goals.
And Harmichael is SPOT ON. If McGaun plays the majority of the season then we are rooted!

9games 15 goals. 22 games 37 goals

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

Mcguane showed enough up forward in his 9 games there to be high up as a forward option. It's why he is still a listed Richmond player. You' ll need to learn to live with it.

Will you be devestated when our new up & coming fwd prospect gets delisted at the end of the yr?

 

[nut]

Will you be devestated when our new up & coming fwd prospect gets delisted at the end of the yr?

I've heard that got 5 years now

 

[sregit]

Disagree. Edwards will be starting 22 & a marked improvement on Miller\McGaun (& thus an improvement on the side). Its up to the likes of Astbury/Elton to develop enough to get past him. Dont see it happening this yr. Maybe next

I agree that Edwards is a better option the Miller and McGuane and yes the kids will have to push past Edwards. What I'm saying though is that it will be a disappointing result if one of the younger players does not take his spot. Our forward line KPP development will be nowhere if this bloke plays the majority of games.

 

[sregit]

LMAO - "the Freo game"? How about his entire career? We are screwed if he plays 22 games because it will mean our depth is still shit, other, better players haven't stepped up, are badly out of form or injured and we're stucturally compromised through having a deficient player in a crucial role.

If we were playing all 22 games only against the likes of Port, Melbourne, GWS, Footscray & Brisbane (i.e.the crap teams below us he looked good against in mostly meaningless matches) we might be a chance but fact is we have to play all the good teams and the teams that finished above us and were vying with us for finals as well. In those crucial games against those teams last year he was exposed and was either crap or did nothing.
Shining in walks in the park against bottom 4 sides is all well & good but when the season is on the line, the likes of McGoof will bite you on the arse and let you down everytime. Seriously, forget the Freo sub-Auskick efforts and go watch the Scum game and in particular the lead up to McClean's goal just for starters, because that's the real summation of what he ultimately offers.

Only at Richmond could a player like him stay on a list for nearly a decade and get to within spitting distance of 100 games. He'd would've barely got 10 games anywhere else and been delisted after the mandatory 2 years.

Agree with absolutely 100%

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

I agree that Edwards is a better option the Miller and McGuane and yes the kids will have to push past Edwards. What I'm saying though is that it will be a disappointing result if one of the younger players does not take his spot. Our forward line KPP development will be nowhere if this bloke plays the majority of games.

I guess we are on the sames page except for the time frame. I dont see them pushing past him this yr, hence the reasons we recruited him in the first place

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

I've heard that got 5 years now

I guess thats 184 goals for RFC by your calculations

 

[nut]

I guess thats 184 goals for RFC by your calculations

No it means that the club still values Mcguane enough to keep him. His form last year would have been a surprise to a lot. But he was a forward before we drafted him. He is also one of the strongest at the club and is just reaching the game experience that most players reach their peak at. We should be looking at all our players in the hope they prove and if Mcguane can build on last years fo then he will hold his spot on the forward line.

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

No it means that the club still values Mcguane enough to keep him. His form last year would have been a surprise to a lot. But he was a forward before we drafted him. He is also one of the strongest at the club and is just reaching the game experience that most players reach their peak at. We should be looking at all our players in the hope they prove and if Mcguane can build on last years fo then he will hold his spot on the forward line.

Ok, thats you opinion & I guess we'll agree to disagree. I rekon he will lucky to play more than 3 games (If injuries dont occure). 5 games at best

 

[nut]

Ok, thats you opinion & I guess we'll agree to disagree. I rekon he will lucky to play more than 3 games (If injuries dont occure). 5 games at best

If you are right then it means some else has blitz in the pre-season and forced him out. The club knows he is a reasonable option up forward now so his replacement will have to play well enough.

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

If you are right then it means some else has blitz in the pre-season and forced him out. The club knows he is a reasonable option up forward now so his replacement will have to play well enough.

His name is Aaron Edwards

 

[CoggaRules]

Forward Line set up at your service:

 

[CoggaRules]

If they have trouble with the FL set up and cant get their head around Terry's Triangle, they can opt for the genious of Spud's triangle as shown below:

But if they really want to go for the jugular there is this masterpiece of coaching genious from the great man Spud: