The game's up, Terry

[Terry Tan]

i like having TW at the club but that article is true
if you are a tiger member you would of received a book at the start of the year and TW said he would be disapointed if we didnt play finals
after a few losses the the 2011 crap started coming in
if he keeps on spinning his stuff he will bury himself shortly
if those other 5 coaches were not in the news he would be in trouble

and I distinctly remember Kane Johnson and Nathan Brown saying this year was "finals or bust". We got no excuses.

 

[Croat tiger]

that means I lose all the respect I've gained over the years and have to start again...I know a lot of people hang on every word I write and wait for my next threads

Stop whinging about terry then he'll get the boot soon enough,another season like this one and the board won't care about his last year of contract they'll just sack him then pay him out.

 

[Wally07]

Stop whinging about terry then he'll get the boot soon enough,another season like this one and the board won't care about his last year of contract they'll just sack him then pay him out.

If they sack him then they should sack themselves. Everything terry has done wrong is quite small compared to what the board and Miller have done.

It is the lack of money on recruiting and fitness staff plus Greg Millers short terms decisions at the 2002/2003 drafts as to why we are at the bottom and why the hawks are near the top. It has very little to do with Terry so sack him if you like but then you will just set up the next coach for failure unless the real problems are fixed.

 

[Croat tiger]

If they sack him then they should sack themselves. Everything terry has done wrong is quite small compared to what the board and Miller have done.

It is the lack of money on recruiting and fitness staff plus Greg Millers short terms decisions at the 2002/2003 drafts as to why we are at the bottom and why the hawks are near the top. It has very little to do with Terry so sack him if you like but then you will just set up the next coach for failure unless the real problems are fixed.

The last few years GM can't be blamed,terry told him what he wanted so greg got him the running short people he wanted .Having said that GM is the worst recruiting officer we've ever had and i'm glad common sense has taken place in replacing him.

 

[Tigerland]

The game's up, Terry
Damien Barrett, Herald Sun
July 20, 2007

Even the recruitment of Graham Polak from Freo in the last trade period is questionable.
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The above comment alone proves that the writer of this article has absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

Polak has been awesome and anyone that sees it otherwise is an idiot.

Yeah the Game's up Barret - you're a Crayon Journalist.

 

[Ando_4]

Typically one-sided, sensationalist article by a dic khead journalist who's probably never played football in his life, yet feels qualified to comment to the masses about AFL coaching and list management issues.

The game's up Damien Barrett, you're a w***er.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Even the recruitment of Graham Polak from Freo in the last trade period is questionable.

Sure, he's been OK this year, but it's almost as if Wallace and his match committee have become desperate to convince the footy world getting him to the club was as inspired as snaring Tony Lockett.

The Hawthorn match committee, which steered the Hawks to a ridiculously easy win against the Tigers last Sunday, with Roughead and Franklin running amok, are still asking why Polak played as a loose man in defence.

pardon my intrusion here but when i read this bit of the article, I was intrigued at what he was getting at. Is he suggesting that Wallace is playing Polak loose in defence so he can point to the recruitment of Polak as a quality decision - even to the detriment of the team?

If so thats a massive accusation to make.

 

[thegrach]

The article really shocked me when I saw it. It's probably the first time TW has been attacked in print like that in the media.

I do know that Wayne Carey has been accusing Wallace of being the media darling, and that Robbo & Walls really went to town on RFC early in the week.

We have got fundamental problems happening. Here are the errors WALLACE has made, yes WALLACE:

• our drafting mistakes the last 3 years - ie Tambling, Meyer, Oakley Nicholls.
• Playing Polak loose man in defense, while undersized Bowden gets killed by the monster forwards.
• playing a game style that is indirect, over possessive and riddled with errors.
• not being able to develop our juniors.
• the Kent Kingsley fiasco.
• the sacking of Andrew Kellaway, our most loyal and courageous club man.
• the debacle that was Gaspar retiring. we could do with him now.
• not playing juniors like Riewoldt & Hughes.

Wallace is directly to blame for these, and he can't hide anymore. At the start of the year, we we're bracketed in the same category as North, Essendon, Pies, Port, and Lions. All these teams have gone forward, we have sunk backwards. I damn win for ****s sake...get your head around that.

I just hope he knows what he's doing cos I'm very frustrated, and very nervous about what I'm seeing.

Just to answer what you have stated here:

• Fair call on the drafting, but other teams have done the same. Tom Williams (WB) and Lachlan Hansen (North) spring to mind. We are not the only ones in that boat, but partially agree
• Fair Call
• That has been our game style before Wallace come on board. Problem is we handball and short kick to not get caught instead of an attacking option. Forwards should take some blame for this as well.
• Fair call. Just wonder what we need to do eg better development staff, etc.
• Fair call.
• On the last 3 points, we can't have it both ways. If we retain Gaspar & Kellaway, we have no room to develop these younger players. I agree, the Kellaway situation was not good, and a great club man should not have been treated like he was

 

[tony_montana]

pardon my intrusion here but when i read this bit of the article, I was intrigued at what he was getting at. Is he suggesting that Wallace is playing Polak loose in defence so he can point to the recruitment of Polak as a quality decision - even to the detriment of the team?

If so thats a massive accusation to make.

thats exactly what that muppet was insinuating.

D. Barrett you are a d.ickhead

 

[Bifrost]

Same shit, different shoveller.

I've read all this before. The words "Mark" and "Graham" closely followed by "Kent" and "Kingsley" are rarely found outside an article on Richmond's 2007 performance or drafting policy.

What I love is that he brings up the old chestnut of Tambling vs Franklin. Oh, of course Roughead has had a few good games now, so he's thrown in there for good measure this time.

My favourite bit was this classic:

As they say in football, Wallace has slipped under the radar this year.

..."As they say in football"? I hadn't realised that radar was in fact invented for use in football matches. Clearly it was football commentators who came up with this phrase and everyone just missed that. But of course "slipped under the radar" didn't originate in football and the author of this article is just so utterly devoid of original thought that he has had to resort to combining two tired cliches into one sentence, then isolate it as if it were a paragraph. Perhaps he should have tried to squeeze in "a week's a long time in football" at the end to make it a trifecta of vapid puke.

I'm not leaping to the defence of Terry Wallace, I've always had some misgivings about his appointment, but this article is nothing but recycled drivel and the only value I gained from reading it was the enjoyment of abusing it.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

The article really shocked me when I saw it. It's probably the first time TW has been attacked in print like that in the media.

You're easily shocked then. It's just a compilation of trolls taken from the Bay 13 and other boards on BigFooty. You would have seen them all before, maybe even initiiated a few?

• our drafting mistakes the last 3 years - ie Tambling, Meyer, Oakley Nicholls.

• 
  
  Are they really drafting mistakes? These are young kids. If it is decided that they are unfit to be part of the 38 players on the Richmond list as we go forward over the next few years, I will agree that they are mistakes. Like I will concede that Gilmour, Archibald and Dragacevic were mistakes. Alternatively, Raines, Coughlan and Foley weren't, but it took time to reveal this.
  
  At the moment I prefer to leave the 3 youngsters you mentioned in the same company as Dowler, Meeson, Russell, Ellis, Kennedy, MClark, Drum etc in that they have not yet had ample opportunity to mature.
  
  

  [*]not being able to develop our juniors.

  
  So development is done only over one or two years? Surely the inherent nature of "development" demands that time be given. Otherwise you should have used the expression "impact of our juniors" instead.
  
  

  [*]the Kent Kingsley fiasco.

  
  The "Kent Kingsley Fiasco"?
  
  What garbage. Is this like the "Cameron Cloke Fiasco" or the "Chris Bryan Fiasco" from the same end of the PSD that must also have torn the fabric of a couple of other clubs apart?
  
  

  [*]not playing juniors like Riewoldt & Hughes.

  
  While the West Coast ease blokes like Mitch Brown, Ben McKinley and Mitch Morton slowly into the rigours of senior AFL football, Richmond are expected to take the "deep end" approach. St Kilda tried that with Kosi, Riewoldt and Maguire some years back - they now have a great list of 24/25 year-old KPP convalescents when they should be up there with Geelong.
  
  

  Wallace is directly to blame for these, and he can't hide anymore. At the start of the year, we we're bracketed in the same category as North, Essendon, Pies, Port, and Lions. All these teams have gone forward, we have sunk backwards. I damn win for ****s sake...get your head around that..

  
  We're not behind these teams in terms of development. Only in the standard of our current list. There's a difference.
  
  
  

  Same shit, different shoveller.
  
  I've read all this before. The words "Mark" and "Graham" closely followed by "Kent" and "Kingsley" are rarely found outside an article on Richmond's 2007 performance or drafting policy.
  
  What I love is that he brings up the old chestnut of Tambling vs Franklin. Oh, of course Roughead has had a few good games now, so he's thrown in there for good measure this time.
  
  My favourite bit was this classic:..."As they say in football"? I hadn't realised that radar was in fact invented for use in football matches. Clearly it was football commentators who came up with this phrase and everyone just missed that. But of course "slipped under the radar" didn't originate in football and the author of this article is just so utterly devoid of original thought that he has had to resort to combining two tired cliches into one sentence, then isolate it as if it were a paragraph. Perhaps he should have tried to squeeze in "a week's a long time in football" at the end to make it a trifecta of vapid puke.
  
  I'm not leaping to the defence of Terry Wallace, I've always had some misgivings about his appointment, but this article is nothing but recycled drivel and the only value I gained from reading it was the enjoyment of abusing it.

  
  Haha, yeah nice pick up there, bif.
  
  Just one thing. Those "weeks" you're referring to? Are they the ones that we are only taking one a time?

 

[peejay]

Ghost i think you just took Terry Tan to the cleaners.

 

[Bojangles17]

It's certainly a change from last year, but that last round loss by Geelong to the Hawks (Pathetic loss by 60-odd points) had a silver lining. We snagged Joel Selwood! It's incredible though that Geelong has risen so far up, and the Tigers have gone the total opposite given just 2 premiership points separated the sides last season.

fairly simple really, out went Kellaway, Gaspar and simmo for 10 weeks...In comes..?????????????....the rest is history. as they say in the classics you're only as good as the replacements

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Ghost i think you just took Terry Tan to the cleaners.

I actually think that Terry Tan is a true "believer", Peejay

The game's up, Wallets

 

[PLSC]

ghost i see has spent much of his time having bitch fights with hawks supporters in bay 13, he has come well prepared with the usual spin

the article was spot on, it was never meant to be an in-depth look at the richmond history of the past 3 years it just said that terry is damn lucky he has a fat contract and their have been other coaches not as lucky

his time will come sooner rather than later

 

[bigpapagman]

ghost i see has spent much of his time having bitch fights with hawks supporters in bay 13, he has come well prepared with the usual spin

the article was spot on, it was never meant to be an in-depth look at the richmond history of the past 3 years it just said that terry is damn lucky he has a fat contract and their have been other coaches not as lucky

his time will come sooner rather than later

PLSC??? petty little stupid.....???? any suggestions?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

ghost i see has spent much of his time having bitch fights with hawks supporters in bay 13, he has come well prepared with the usual spin

the article was spot on, it was never meant to be an in-depth look at the richmond history of the past 3 years it just said that terry is damn lucky he has a fat contract and their have been other coaches not as lucky

his time will come sooner rather than later

Firstly, I've never been into Bay 13 on purpose in my life. I might have a few posts in there, but these were made in threads that had started on the main board but were eventually shifted by moderators. Once they're in that cesspit, I'm out of there.

Secondly, you seem very quick to take a shot at me for displaying loyalty by attempting to defend my own team, and yet let an obvious opposition troll with multiple aliases just scoot through untouched.

Thirdly, I've never denied that Wallace is lucky that he has a long term contract. With our history of implosion and dining out on our own I have no doubt that he would be lucky to see out the year. But that's the whole rationale behind giving someone adequate time to completely overhaul a playing list. If we're not challenging for the final eight this time in two years time I would reckon he'd be out the door.

And, finally, the article was just rubbish.

 

[Terry Tan]

Firstly, I've never been into Bay 13 on purpose in my life. I might have a few posts in there, but these were made in threads that had started on the main board but were eventually shifted by moderators. Once they're in that cesspit, I'm out of there.

Secondly, you seem very quick to take a shot at me for displaying loyalty by attempting to defend my own team, and yet let an obvious opposition troll with multiple aliases just scoot through untouched.

Thirdly, I've never denied that Wallace is lucky that he has a long term contract. With our history of implosion and dining out on our own I have no doubt that he would be lucky to see out the year. But that's the whole rationale behind giving someone adequate time to completely overhaul a playing list. If we're not challenging for the final eight this time in two years time I would reckon he'd be out the door.

And, finally, the article was just rubbish.

Just because I'm disatisfied by the rubbish I see being dished out makes me a troll? How about a real supporter who's hurting and can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. I don't think I'm the only one.

The article wasn't rubbish and neither were my points that you refuted with heavy bias.

And it's obvious that many Tiger faithful are starting to accept mediocrity thanks to the ongoing conditioning exercise of the last few years from Miller & Wallace. I just hope we don't turn into Melb, Bulldogs or Saints.

If Richmond can't lift for Richo's 250th today then God help Wallace, this club, and some of you soft cokc supporters happy to keep taking it from behind.

 

[froars]

Damien says Terry has escaped scrutiny from the media. So what does he do, he just makes flippant statements designed to make those that really can't think for themselves believe them.

Actually Damien, I really would welcome some "S-C-R-U-T-I-N-Y", and i mean in depth "S-C-R-U-T-I-N-Y", and then maybe you'd see what Wallace has been up against.

Then maybe they'd see that the 2011 comments weren't off the mark, and if his comments had been reported properly, in context, you might have scrutinised our club, rather than a couple of cheap shots, and came up with something a bit more substantial than this drivel.

 

[Mr Miller]

It wouldnt matter if we had Leigh Matthews coaching we were going to drop a few places, Wallace is a good coach he had us playing above ourselves for the 2 years previously, no one was saying he couldnt coach than.

Our senior players have dropped off a bit from previous years and we all wont the kids to play from day one and be the next Judd, it takes time to fully rebuild which we are doing on a tight budget.

Other teams have bounced back quicker but they still had a decent core, were we might only have 5 good senior players to build the core, you need atleast 10-12.

We will finish bottom 4 next year too and than start to rise so dont go on games won yet but devolpement of kids.

 

[richcogs]

SHOCKING COACHING in that second quater by Terry why did he play an extra midfield and allow them to play an extra back for 30 BLOODY minutes, every f*king time in came down it went STRAIGHT back up arghhhhhhh shits me, bad bad bad coaching that!!!!!!!!!

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Actually Damien, I really would welcome some "S-C-R-U-T-I-N-Y", and i mean in depth "S-C-R-U-T-I-N-Y", and then maybe you'd see what Wallace has been up against.

Spot on. Would absolutely love real scrutiny on Terry Wallace and the rest of the team. Not just this disposable chatroom standard mudslinging that the article served up.

Why is it wrong to demand proper indepth analysis in preference to something that Hodge4Franklin or Pav4AA would serve up?

My overall contention still stands. It is not Richie Tambling or Kent Kingsley's fault that we are not a finals contender, nor is it the fault of the fact that we selected them in their respected drafts over Lance Franklin and David Rodan respectively. It's not Polak's fault either.

Barrett's really got no idea why we're on the bottom, which is fine. Either do I. But he's just asked the wrong questions because he's done a lazy friggin article and the claims he trotted out sure aren't the key reasons. Criticism (negative and positive) is due, but I don't want the media to just centre these simply on the drafting of Tambling and Kingsley, or on Polak's position on the Richmond list or on football field.

 

[froars]

Compare Damien's article to Connolly. Sure, he's critical, but at least has an understanding or dared to venture past the fact that we're sitting on the bottom of the ladder, that there might be reasons, most of which have nothing to do with Terry. You can take criticism if it's balanced, but not if it's just purely to sink the boot in. Well done Connolly.

Failure saps fight out of Tiger army
Rohan Connolly | July 22, 2007
Grant Thomas no longer writes for The Sunday Age

RICHMOND supporters used to have a fearsome reputation as not only the most passionate but most volatile fans in football. It was well-earned.

When the glories of the 1960s and '70s finally gave way to continued mediocrity, it's fair to say the Tiger army didn't take it too well.

I can still hear the fury of the lynch mob that descended upon the rooms after a 141-point flogging at the hands of North Melbourne early in 1990. They didn't just want answers. They wanted blood. Preferably both.

The Tigers were coming off a wooden spoon, armed with one of the weakest line-ups in their history, but that hadn't quelled their supporters' demand for results, nor a refusal to accept humiliating thrashings of that size.

But year upon year of more disappointment since then seems to have taken a toll on not only an entire club, but also its fan base.

Richmond is set to return a season statistically even more barren than the four wins recorded in its last wooden spoon year of 2004. Worse than anything Carlton has served up in the past five years.

Just one victory from a side that chalked up 11 of them last season has been an amazing downturn. But while Richmond supporters aren't exactly turning cartwheels, there doesn't seem nearly the same degree of angst as of yore.

No storming of the barricades. No dumping manure outside the Punt Road offices. More a sad resignation to what has become the Tiger fan's lot. Life at the bottom of the ladder.

It's a mindset you can't help but wonder has become a permanent part of the club they follow. For the same terminal flaws seemed to have dogged Richmond for a long, long time.

Questionable recruiting. On-field leaders too satisfied with too little. Kids whose development seems to occur at a snail's pace. And skill levels embarrassingly poor.

It's true the Tigers haven't given up much to recruit the experienced Mark Graham, Trent Knobel and Kent Kingsley over recent years. But the damage symbolically has been to give the impression of a club having a bob each-way rather than making a concerted commitment to building a team for the longer-term.

The highly rated kids, meanwhile, haven't exactly jumped out of the box. First-round draft picks Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls and Danny Meyer have had next to no impact.

Oakley-Nicholls is yet to complete a decent pre-season through injury and may have some excuse. Meyer needs to show something in a hurry. So does Richard Tambling, whose poor effort last week against Hawthorn was particularly ill-timed.

All of them need better examples coming from the top. Skipper Kane Johnson is a shadow these days of the damaging on-baller he was in Adelaide. Joel Bowden bleeds yellow-and-black, but his propensity for the odd clanger can have a cancerous effect on impressionable young teammates. And skills haven't exactly been a forte of Richmond's senior core over recent years. Darren Gaspar and Andrew Kellaway were great clubmen and dogged defenders, but not great users of the footy.

Some of the better players still in the mix now have plenty of similar issues. Shane Tuck is one. Even Mark Coughlan, still a great hope for the future despite his shocking injury run, would want to tidy up his disposal upon return.

It's an on-going conundrum. The silkier players for the Tigers are the younger types who, Nathan Foley aside, still can't win enough of their own football. The more prolific ball-getters often seem to be the biggest culprits when it comes to errors.

The brittleness of Richmond's list has been seriously exposed this season through the absences of ruckman Troy Simmonds, Coughlan and Nathan Brown.

To some extent, it bears out the point coach Terry Wallace made pre-season about the dearth of players in that early to mid-20s age bracket. It's precisely that group that has helped engineer Geelong's stunning turnaround this season.

For Richmond, that's going to take even more time. With two years left on his contract, Wallace has that. But if the nightmare that 2007 has proved is going to be reversed at all, there can be scarcely any more margin for error.

Not at the drafting table, certainly. Not on the training track, where the development of much-heralded youngsters needs to be expedited. And nor in the explanations delivered to a long-suffering fan base.

Things are not about to get any easier with away matches against Sydney, Geelong and West Coast, plus a clash against Collingwood to come in the next four weeks. The Tiger army has been more than patient. Perhaps there's a better understanding of the intricacies required now in lifting a club from the doldrums.

You can't just go out now and get an Ian Stewart or John Pitura, like the late Graeme Richmond would have. Disgruntled fans charging into the rooms wanting Wallace's head aren't going to achieve much either.

But the longer Richmond's malaise lingers, the less likely is a whole club to rediscover the sort of confident swagger it once had. And, dangerously, the more likely that club, and its supporters, will accept a culture in which failure becomes the norm.

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