The Great Global Warming Swindle

[jo172]

For anyone interested in hearing the other side of the global warming debate this is well worth taking a look at. Is a Channel 4 doco showing that anthromorphic global warming is at best a guess and at worst a conspiracy.

Some interesting facts most notable that humans are responsible for at most .054% of all Carbon Dioxide emissions (most comes from the oceans of all things) and that many scientists who international bodies claim support Global Warming are less then completely sure.

Anywho the ABC is showing it at 8:30 on July 12th and with all the global warming hysteria about i think everyone at least owes themself the chance to hear a balanced view.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Oh no not the horrible conspiracy to encourage people against polluting and rolling around in their own filth.
What a horrible atrocity....
The inefficient management of resources strip mining and cooling of the earths surface aids in killing off natural purifying effects of the ecosystem.
People are thought to generally not be intelligent enough to recognize the indirect cause and results of such things and so are given easy answers in the AL Gore before/after picture point at emissions form.
750 times more oxygen is burned by a car then a person in an hour, it is not just the emissions them self but the use of non-renewable energy in burning as a whole as well as the moving of these things.
Currently we are destroying rain forests at the speed of a constant meteor shower destroying habitats and killing various animals.
The earth travels an eliptical orbit which brings us closer to the sun at times, as well the sun as well as our planet are expanding, I'm sure that makes certain things more apparent.
If the climate of the antarctic continues on it's way the Ross Ice shelf will sink and this will cause the oceans to rise and flood us.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Sponsored by Halliburton im sure.

There were also 'scientific studies' which denied smoking caused cancer.

 

[jo172]

Sponsored by Halliburton im sure.

There were also 'scientific studies' which denied smoking caused cancer.

As opposed to the 2 hour long Vote Gore 2008 election commercial

 

[Kickin_Goals]

There will be another movie out called the 11th hour which was to be aired at the cannes film festival, it likely will have better information.

 

[jo172]

There will be another movie out called the 11th hour which was to be aired at the cannes film festival, it likely will have better information.

Good, what is needed on Global Warming is more debate on BOTH sides. Too many people accept anthromorphic global warming as fait accompli when it is far from it.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Regardless of what is said, to think that we are separate from our environment is a fallacy.
Our bodies are entirely comprised of the nourishment we take from it and all adverse conditions in it are reflected in our self and vise versa.
Not to efficiently manage our planet is to pollute and degrade our self.

 

[jo172]

Regardless of what is said, to think that we are separate from our environment is a fallacy.
Our bodies are entirely comprised of the nourishment we take from it and all adverse conditions in it are reflected in our self and vise versa.

Indeed, but my premise is that we can burn as much carbon dioxide as possible without affecting our environment. Solar activity is more responsible for climate change then Carbon Dioxide emissions which are irrelevant. In Humanity's greatest period of industrialization the temperature dropped for 30 straight years!

Yes we should take care of the environement, especially trees, the ecosystem etc. but to blame everything on ManBearPig is a joke.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Indeed, but my premise is that we can burn as much carbon dioxide as possible without affecting our environment. Solar activity is more responsible for climate change then Carbon Dioxide emissions which are irrelevant. In Humanity's greatest period of industrialization the temperature dropped for 30 straight years!

Yes we should take care of the environement, especially trees, the ecosystem etc. but to blame everything on ManBearPig is a joke.

You do realise that the period of cooling is also attributed to human activity?

 

[jo172]

You do realise that the period of cooling is also attributed to human activity?

No it was actually related to an increase in cosmic rays being propelled from the sun

 

[jo172]

Southern Takeover can you please explain why Mars, Jupiter and Neptune are warming at a similar rate to Earth?

Does this mean that man is flying to these planets and somehow causing this warming too?

While man and carbon isn't neccasarily great for the environment it is not the reason for climate change, climate change occurs naturally due to the sun!

 

[Southerntakeover]

No it was actually related to an increase in cosmic rays being propelled from the sun

Before i even begin to get into this debate, can you atleast agree that the pumping of pollutants into the atmosphere is a bad thing, if not for global warming, simply for the detrimental effects that they can have on our health?

 

[jo172]

Before i even begin to get into this debate, can you atleast agree that the pumping of pollutants into the atmosphere is a bad thing, if not for global warming, simply for the detrimental effects that they can have on our health?

I agree completely. I am at heart an environmentalist.

I just get offended by the far left trying to pervert rational facts and argument with doomsday hypothesis for their own political gain. Anyone who doesn't believe Al Gore is just doing this because he knew he was politically dead if he didn't is beyond thick. Man Made global warming is so far away from being a fact. humanity is damaged by anyone who wants to examine the alternative arguments being ridiculed.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Im reminded of this cartoon.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I agree completely. I am at heart an environmentalist.

I just get offended by the far left trying to pervert rational facts and argument with doomsday hypothesis for their own political gain. Anyone who doesn't believe Al Gore is just doing this because he knew he was politically dead if he didn't is beyond thick. Man Made global warming is so far away from being a fact. humanity is damaged by anyone who wants to examine the alternative arguments being ridiculed.

Your labelling of Al Gore as the 'far left' is slightly hillarious.

 

[jo172]

Your labelling of Al Gore as the 'far left' is slightly hillarious.

It just looks like that because i'm tired, Al Gore isn't the far left but the far left is keen to claim him as a patron saint. Al Gore is just a political animal exploiting this issue for his own personal gain.

And on your theory about scientists all agreeing on the exsistance of Man Made Global Warming. This is completely incorrect. Many disagree and submitted their views to the IPCC but did not get published and many climate change rationalists struggle to get grants for their research because governments fear offending the vocal minority. The founder of Greenpeace himself acknowledges global warming hysteria is completely unreasonable.

 

[Southerntakeover]

And on your theory about scientists all agreeing on the exsistance of Man Made Global Warming. This is completely incorrect. Many disagree and submitted their views to the IPCC but did not get published and many climate change rationalists struggle to get grants for their research because governments fear offending the vocal minority. The founder of Greenpeace himself acknowledges global warming hysteria is completely unreasonable.

Actually, you've made that up. I never said anything of the sort. I would never try to claim that theres unanimous agreement for anything in the scientific community. I also dont think its needed.

You on the other hand appear to be attempting to form some sort of a conspiracy theory by suggesting that the contradicting views were ignored by the IPCC simply because they did not agree, rather than the many other possible reasons why these views werent accepted. If you can provide solid evidence that a credible study by relevant scientists was ignored purely because it provided a conclusion that climate change is not impacted by human activity, then id be interested in seeing it. In fact, if you can provide me a copy of such a study full stop i would be interested.

 

[- PC -]

Anyone who doesn't believe Al Gore is just doing this because he knew he was politically dead if he didn't is beyond thick..

Not going to try and argue your belief on the environment, I would like to correct you on this point.

Al Gore may be using this platform as a 2008 Election gimmick, but to say he is only doing this to get re-elected is to not understand Gores past.

From Wiki

According to a February 27, 2007 article in The Concord Monitor, "Gore was one of the first politicians to grasp the seriousness of climate change and to call for a reduction in emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouses gases. He held the first congressional hearings on the subject in the late 1970s."[49] During his tenure in Congress, Gore co-sponsored hearings on toxic waste in 1978–79, and hearings on global warming in the 1980s.[50]

On Earth Day 1994, Gore launched the worldwide GLOBE program, a hands-on, school-based education and science activity that made extensive use of the Internet to increase student awareness of their environment and contribute research data for scientists.

In the late 1990s, Gore strongly pushed for the passage of the Kyoto Treaty, which called for reduction in greenhouse gas emissions.[51][52] He was opposed by the Senate, which passed unanimously (95-0) the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98),[53][54] which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On November 12, 1998, Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Both Gore and Senator Joseph Lieberman indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations.[55] The Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification.

( ie he was defeated by his own party in his fight for Kyoto)

Now continue on with your beliefs but please dont paint Al Gore as some Johnny Come Lately who has jumped on this bandwagon just recently

 

[jo172]

Not going to try and argue your belief on the environment, I would like to correct you on this point.

Al Gore may be using this platform as a 2008 Election gimmick, but to say he is only doing this to get re-elected is to not understand Gores past.

From Wiki

According to a February 27, 2007 article in The Concord Monitor, "Gore was one of the first politicians to grasp the seriousness of climate change and to call for a reduction in emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouses gases. He held the first congressional hearings on the subject in the late 1970s."[49] During his tenure in Congress, Gore co-sponsored hearings on toxic waste in 1978–79, and hearings on global warming in the 1980s.[50]

On Earth Day 1994, Gore launched the worldwide GLOBE program, a hands-on, school-based education and science activity that made extensive use of the Internet to increase student awareness of their environment and contribute research data for scientists.

In the late 1990s, Gore strongly pushed for the passage of the Kyoto Treaty, which called for reduction in greenhouse gas emissions.[51][52] He was opposed by the Senate, which passed unanimously (95-0) the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98),[53][54] which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On November 12, 1998, Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Both Gore and Senator Joseph Lieberman indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations.[55] The Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification.

( ie he was defeated by his own party in his fight for Kyoto)

Now continue on with your beliefs but please dont paint Al Gore as some Johnny Come Lately who has jumped on this bandwagon just recently

So a guy with roughly 30 years in public life has achieved perhaps 5 significant things?

I'm sure if you went back into John Howard's past you could also find him being at the center of 5 pro-environment policies. Does that make him an environmentalist?

In 8 years as Vice President he achieved 0 and i'm willing to bet that had he been elected President no achievment would have been added.

Gore is a shameless political animal who knew he would never get another shot at national office without a hot button issue in which to scare the public. What he has done is no different to what Messrs Bush and Cheney have done with terrorism, exxagerate the threat beyond all rational reasons so that open debate on the topic is impossible.

Actually, you've made that up. I never said anything of the sort. I would never try to claim that theres unanimous agreement for anything in the scientific community. I also dont think its needed.

I think i interpreted that from your little cartoon.

If you can provide solid evidence that a credible study by relevant scientists was ignored purely because it provided a conclusion that climate change is not impacted by human activity, then id be interested in seeing it. In fact, if you can provide me a copy of such a study full stop i would be interested.

Do scientists telling a camera that they didn't agree with the IPCC's results yet were quoted as agreeing count as a study? If so head to youtube and search the thread title.

 

[- PC -]

So a guy with roughly 30 years in public life has achieved perhaps 5 significant things?

I'm sure if you went back into John Howard's past you could also find him being at the center of 5 pro-environment policies. Does that make him an environmentalist?

In 8 years as Vice President he achieved 0 and i'm willing to bet that had he been elected President no achievment would have been added.

I think minimalising it to '' 5 things in 30 years'' is stretching the truth a little. What I attempted to show you was that your original statement was incorrect.

Al Gore DOES have a history of commitment to the environment. His party doesnt

 

[NikkiNoo]

Maybe have a read of this article as well Jo - http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pure_propaganda_the.php

 

[Southerntakeover]

I think i interpreted that from your little cartoon.



Do scientists telling a camera that they didn't agree with the IPCC's results yet were quoted as agreeing count as a study? If so head to youtube and search the thread title.

Then your interpretation skills are poor. The cartoon itself shows that scientists dont agree unanimously.

So your credible study is a youtube video? Can you verify that the people are who they say they are? Have you found a credible scientific study yet?

 

[Ghostwriter]

I think we've been swindled in the SE over global warming, it is freezing down here, has been for months, must be the coldest winter i've endured for 30 years, explain that with a 3 hour movie Al Gore.

 

[jo172]

Then your interpretation skills are poor. The cartoon itself shows that scientists dont agree unanimously.

So your credible study is a youtube video? Can you verify that the people are who they say they are? Have you found a credible scientific study yet?

Mate it's not a youtube video as such, it's a Channel 4 documentary that's been screened on the ABC in a couple of weeks. That's the equivalent of calling An Inconvenient Truth a youtube video as segments of it are on youtube.

Some articles worth having a look at are:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/solar.htm

 

[KUNG FU]

I think we've been swindled in the SE over global warming, it is freezing down here, has been for months, must be the coldest winter i've endured for 30 years, explain that with a 3 hour movie Al Gore.

One of the great dangers of global warming is that it produces more extreme weather conditions. So, although the globe as a whole will warm, there will also be inordinately cool temperatures in some regions. The raise in overall temperature sets off a number of chain reactions.