The GST carve up

[bombersfan4000]

If you dont adjust for inflation, sure. But as we see, WA has never been that good with money. Just pure luck that Gina decided to open shop there.

Funny thing is Gina’s dad even tricked the wa government with the mining leases!

I’ve always likened WA to a rich kid that is just plain stupid who always whinges

 

[Kwality]

Funny thing is Gina’s dad even tricked the wa government with the mining leases!

I’ve always likened WA to a rich kid that is just plain stupid who always whinges

And then there is the teachers pet, getting preferential treatment, its democracy where the minority is not equal to any big bloc of votes.

Guess you'll substantiate your claim about Lang ....

 

[Kwality]

So in real terms what did WA get over the first 70 or 80 years and how much have they given over the last 10 or 15?

As you've already posted the handouts to manufacturing pointing out the winners & losers, hang on, I'll find your post, its here somewhere ... somewhere !!

 

[HairyO]

And then there is the teachers pet, getting preferential treatment, its democracy where the minority is not equal to any big bloc of votes.

Guess you'll substantiate your claim about Lang ....

Lang wasnt really that good at mining. Gina was the brains. Thats why she turned the $10m mine which Rose didnt want in to $10 billion.

 

[Power Raid]

They actually don't from a legal perspective from what I understand. It is a federal law, the feds could just change it. What recourse do the states have? There are specific provisions that don't allow the states to sue over laws the feds control. However, due to their agreement they probably would as otherwise there would be no trust in any future agreements. Further, it would be suicide in every state but WA.

Agree the pauper states won't agree. Apparently, all our resources are Australia's and so royalties are included, but their gambling revenue is theirs and is excluded because reasons, payroll tax is included because Canberra is filled with public servants so it would disadvantage where the pollies live, but the costs of providing services to remote areas is excluded (even though the only reason there are significant people there is the need to service the mines that make the royalties). The whole system makes no sense.

your understanding was correct

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parlia...entary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview201415/GST

 

[Kwality]

Lang wasnt really that good at mining. Gina was the brains. Thats why she turned the $10m mine which Rose didnt want in to $10 billion.

Wow, why was Lang Australias largest individual taxpayer for many years, not that sort of money in cattle stations, maybe you are eluding to Mr E.A. Wright of Hancock & Wright, bit before Gina's time.

 

[Balls In]

I’ve always likened WA to a rich kid that is just plain stupid who always whinges

Hasn't registered that the WA mines are among the most remote on earth, that they are even viable is a triumph? The infrastructure underpinning them has come at great cost to Western Australia which shouldnt be in effective recession, yet inexplicably is.

 

[Power Raid]

Funny thing is Gina’s dad even tricked the wa government with the mining leases!

I’ve always likened WA to a rich kid that is just plain stupid who always whinges

Why? And how is that relevant to the GST debate?

 

[Kwality]

Bill Shorten has 70 cents as a base number for WA's share of the GST raised from WA - how many more times will this sort of nonsense be fed to rusted on fans?

Mr Shorten, ... will use his latest visit to WA to reveal an increase in Labor’s planned Fair Share for WA Fund.
When he originally announced the fund, Mr Shorten pledged it would lift WA’s GST share to a floor of 70¢ in the dollar at a cost of $1.6 billion.
End date 2022-23, so its just another attempt to squib fixing it.

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/labo...ge-by-additional-400m-to-woo-wa-ng-b88864218z

No doubt Turnbull will follow suit, no desire to address the problem.

 

[Kwality]

Opinion: GST top-up cash is not a plan it’s merely political smoke-and-mirrors
https://thewest.com.au/opinion/gary...ely-political-smoke-and-mirrors-ng-b88869634z

IMHO its good to see where The West stand on this.

Shorten: .... You can’t say WA is missing out and then when Labor does something say that it’s wrong.

Adshead: You’re not going to fix it. You’re going to temporarily bribe the voters. You and Turnbull?

Shorten: No.

&
According to the Chamber of Commerce and Industry, the overwhelming majority of WA voters have the same opinion when it comes to the GST controversy. More than 80 per cent agree the system is unfair and rank the need to fix it properly — rather than just finding money from elsewhere to placate West Australians before an election — as the second most important issue behind the cost of living.

How is that dedicated, one issue Senate ticket looking?

 

[bombersfan4000]

Hasn't registered that the WA mines are among the most remote on earth, that they are even viable is a triumph? The infrastructure underpinning them has come at great cost to Western Australia which shouldnt be in effective recession, yet inexplicably is.

How so the complies fund the infrastructure then self but generate thousands of jobs who people pay large chunks of taxes, billions to trillions of dollars in revenues form digging dirt

 

[Balls In]

Gee

 

[Kwality]

How so the complies fund the infrastructure then self but generate thousands of jobs who people pay large chunks of taxes, billions to trillions of dollars in revenues form digging dirt

try again ....

 

[Freo Big Fella]

How so the complies fund the infrastructure then self but generate thousands of jobs who people pay large chunks of taxes, billions to trillions of dollars in revenues form digging dirt

Inner-city Melbourne elitist gonna Melbourne.

 

[Kwality]

Inner-city Melbourne elitist gonna Melbourne.

What is Bom4k trying to say?

 

[Rob]

How is that dedicated, one issue Senate ticket looking?

Interestingly, the WA Party just polled 5.8% of the vote in Darling Range, the same as the Greens. On virtually zero publicity, admittedly with a candidate with a moderate profile.

If they got a couple of high profile candidates for the Senate, they could get 15-20% of the vote.

 

[Kwality]

Interestingly, the WA Party just polled 5.8% of the vote in Darling Range, the same as the Greens. On virtually zero publicity, admittedly with a candidate with a moderate profile.

If they got a couple of high profile candidates for the Senate, they could get 15-20% of the vote.

If they are just another party, they will fail to make a big enough dent in the Senate vote.
If they are primarily, even totally about fixing the GST for WA, they wouldnt stand for the WA parliament (IMHO).
They need to be very wary of political hacks with an agenda looking to ride on their coat tails, as has happened to Bob Browns Greens through Lee Rhiannon & the watermelons.
Standing in the Lower House is a waste of money in terms of fixing the GST.

A high profile candidate to lead the Senate ticket is needed.

 

[Power Raid]

Interestingly, the WA Party just polled 5.8% of the vote in Darling Range, the same as the Greens. On virtually zero publicity, admittedly with a candidate with a moderate profile.

If they got a couple of high profile candidates for the Senate, they could get 15-20% of the vote.

I could see twiggy taking on this battle

He’s probably 5 years away from turning FMG into an international multi commodity house. So we’ll have to be patient.

 

[Kwality]

See Malcolm is being called out by Mr Mac, just another attempt to sweep the issue under the carpet by the coalition.
https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/no-state-will-be-worse-off-in-gst-fix-prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull-ng-b88883752z

See this pathetic attempt at spin to justify inaction:
Attorney-General Christian Porter said the aim of WA MPs was to deliver more money to the State.

“The job that Michaelia (Cash) and I have got is to make sure that WA has a better situation than what it’s facing at the moment,” he said.

“We’re working to ensure that we’re going to improve WA considerably.”

 

[Hawk Dork]

What is Bom4k trying to say?

Even he doesnt know
If he hasnt read it in bullet point, he has no hope
Even then its a struggle without a few well worn slogans
Its a bit like reading a Mining industry advetorial in the Australian or having an intellectual discussion with George Christenson and Pauline Hanson

 

[Power Raid]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-05/new-gst-system-to-deliver-tasmania-an-extra-112m/9942860

I'd like to see the detail but from the information provided, fits the concept of stronger states which marries out countries constitution.

 

[The Speaker]

I see HairyO is running the old 'WA has been a net beneficiary for decades argument', which is far weaker than it first appears for the simple reason that protectionism, which benefited manufacturers in the east at the expense of primary producers, was entirely for the benefit of the eastern states at the expense of WA, and WA had no control over it. One Royal Commissioner, tasked with examining why WA's economy was faring so poorly post-federation in the 1920s, stated that he thought WA should never have joined the federation in the first place, such was the impact of eastern states protectionism on WA's primary resource-based economy.

 

[Hawk Dork]

I see HairyO is running the old 'WA has been a net beneficiary for decades argument', which is far weaker than it first appears for the simple reason that protectionism, which benefited manufacturers in the east at the expense of primary producers, was entirely for the benefit of the eastern states at the expense of WA, and WA had no control over it. One Royal Commissioner, tasked with examining why WA's economy was faring so poorly post-federation in the 1920s, stated that he thought WA should never have joined the federation in the first place, such was the impact of eastern states protectionism on WA's primary resource-based economy.

Pretty hard to manufacture for a small population that was so isolated from the main population .
Manufacturing was also based on cheap power mainly in VIc then cheap gas

 

[Power Raid]

I see HairyO is running the old 'WA has been a net beneficiary for decades argument', which is far weaker than it first appears for the simple reason that protectionism, which benefited manufacturers in the east at the expense of primary producers, was entirely for the benefit of the eastern states at the expense of WA, and WA had no control over it. One Royal Commissioner, tasked with examining why WA's economy was faring so poorly post-federation in the 1920s, stated that he thought WA should never have joined the federation in the first place, such was the impact of eastern states protectionism on WA's primary resource-based economy.

not to mention
- WA was not allowed to exploit its iron ore deposits until federal laws changed
- the east tried to steal kalgoorlie from WA when WA wanted to secede
- The east refused to recognise "blacks" as citizens to under pay WA in state distributions based on population

 

[HairyO]

I see HairyO is running the old 'WA has been a net beneficiary for decades argument'

Because it is a fact.

How dare I !?!?!