Sport The Hangar Cricket Thread IV

[Howard Moon]

At least we had characters like Merv and Boon in the late 80s so we could at least say we were cool and could win a drinking competition with the opposition. Now we're vanilla and shit which leaves us zero to hang our hat on.

not only that but we were facing Curtley and Courtney and Malcolm and Patrick.... on unprepared strips of dirt...

its excusable!

i wonder if what Heals says is true.. the dressing room is fractured and they dont want it enough - having the wags on board ect.. its one big holiday.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

The leave is dead in Australian cricket meaning the moving ball will always be an issue.

So much this. We will never be able to play well in England if we can't learn to leave. We need to learn to see off the early day swinging new ball...

 

[Howard Moon]

Rogers is generally a good leaver too, they were just in that perfect spot of hmm do I have to play this? Yes.... After swing no.

 

[Pweter]

Rogers is generally a good leaver too, they were just in that perfect spot of hmm do I have to play this? Yes.... After swing no.

I can forgive Rogers' dismissal because it would've knocked out the off stump if it held it's line, then it moved so late. He had no time to adjust and he had to play at it. It was a jaffa that would've seen most batsmen walk.

As for these lazy swipes to a ball starting 6 inches outside off and only moving away, it's inexcusable.

 

[Howard Moon]

I can forgive Rogers' dismissal because it would've knocked out the off stump if it held it's line, then it moved so late. He had no time to adjust and he had to play at it. It was a jaffa that would've seen most batsmen walk.

As for these lazy swipes to a ball starting 6 inches outside off and only moving away, it's inexcusable.

for me the big issue is.. well..

Remember Steve Waugh, in the windies early 90s - faced that brutal barrage for near on 30 mins... took body hit after body hit, just stared them down and said, that all you have? I will protect my wicket like i am protecting my country from invasion... playing for my country is the greatest honour.

Justin langer on debut.. similar... took god knows how many body hits... didnt relent, didnt waver..

Can you honeslty name a player in our line up at present that could or would do this?

They just play a get out shot... and put their feet up in the room, have a little chuckle.. then collect their pay cheque like normal.

Wheres the pride in the badge??? this is test cricket.. it means something!! not just another pay cheque inbetween IPL and BBL.

It disgusts me. No respect for your wicket or your badge.

How long since we have seen a player tough through a barrage of body shots or hoop? It never happens... gets too hard they just play a get out shot.



look at this... 3 for not many... need somebody to stand up - might not have had the most skill but god he had heart.

wheres our version now? nowhere to be found.

 

[Howard Moon]

Ps how good watching that, dripping in intensity

Curtley! How tough

 

[Seagrave_Holmes]

Another bad away performance against Bangladesh and surely Leahman is in strife.

 

[Pweter]

Another bad away performance against Bangladesh and surely Leahman is in strife.

Flat track bullies we are. We rolled the Windies and thought we were world beaters away from our shores, forgetting that the Windies have bordered on pathetic for most of the last 20 years.

 

[Stopher]

It's a good time to be making runs in the Aus A team, as the broom will be out after this series. Maybe even after this Test.

 

[Howard Moon]

hope Handscombe gets a crack - as a bat or a keeper/bat

I know Nevill has the spot to lose but i see a couple of flaws that opponents could zero in on pretty quickly

 

[Seagrave_Holmes]

Flat track bullies we are. We rolled the Windies and thought we were world beaters away from our shores, forgetting that the Windies have bordered on pathetic for most of the last 20 years.

Let's see if we have learnt anything from the twin spin humiliations of India 2013 and UAE 2014. This team has given me no reason to think we are able to beat Bangladesh on their home turf.

 

[Yoda_]

hope Handscombe gets a crack - as a bat or a keeper/bat

I know Nevill has the spot to lose but i see a couple of flaws that opponents could zero in on pretty quickly

I'm not convinced of Neville one iota with bat in hand - keeping wise he looks clean

 

[Jesse Custer]

I'm not a professional cricketer but after years of watching and playing occasionally even I know in those conditions you must leave a lot of deliveries and play with soft hands. FFS!

 

[Jesse Custer]

hope Handscombe gets a crack - as a bat or a keeper/bat

I know Nevill has the spot to lose but i see a couple of flaws that opponents could zero in on pretty quickly

Every player has flaws. It's how they respond to them.

 

[Jesse Custer]

for me the big issue is.. well..

Remember Steve Waugh, in the windies early 90s - faced that brutal barrage for near on 30 mins... took body hit after body hit, just stared them down and said, that all you have? I will protect my wicket like i am protecting my country from invasion... playing for my country is the greatest honour.

Justin langer on debut.. similar... took god knows how many body hits... didnt relent, didnt waver..

Can you honeslty name a player in our line up at present that could or would do this?

They just play a get out shot... and put their feet up in the room, have a little chuckle.. then collect their pay cheque like normal.

Wheres the pride in the badge??? this is test cricket.. it means something!! not just another pay cheque inbetween IPL and BBL.

It disgusts me. No respect for your wicket or your badge.

How long since we have seen a player tough through a barrage of body shots or hoop? It never happens... gets too hard they just play a get out shot.



look at this... 3 for not many... need somebody to stand up - might not have had the most skill but god he had heart.

wheres our version now? nowhere to be found.

I think we need him as coach.

 

[Howard Moon]

I think we need him as coach.

Maybe the concern is you get a bit of Nathan Buckley syndrome. Comes in and thinks everyone should train as hard as he did, think about the game like he did, took him a while to learn it takes diff' rent strokes...

Would Waugh be the same? If you show any mental fragility - be frozen out by the ice man

 

[Jesse Custer]

Maybe the concern is you get a bit of Nathan Buckley syndrome. Comes in and thinks everyone should train as hard as he did, think about the game like he did, took him a while to learn it takes diff' rent strokes...

Would Waugh be the same? If you show any mental fragility - be frozen out by the ice man

Coaches do say this new generation is tougher to coach.

 

[Phone]

Playing the short ball wasnt the issue.....

 

[Stopher]

I love Steve Waugh. Days like yesterday remind me exactly why I do.

 

[Howard Moon]

Playing the short ball wasnt the issue.....

Point is getting through a period of adversity, be it short balls, swing, spin, variable pitch, whatever it may be. Application to the task

 

[Pweter]

Point is getting through a period of adversity, be it short balls, swing, spin, variable pitch, whatever it may be. Application to the task

Since I've starting watching cricket we had guys like Border, Boon, Waugh, Ponting, Langer etc who you could depend on with regularity to preserve their wicket against the odds and build an innings.

Not sure who we have these days.

 

[Doss]

Since I've starting watching cricket we had guys like Border, Boon, Waugh, Ponting, Langer etc who you could depend on with regularity to preserve their wicket against the odds and build an innings.

Not sure who we have these days.

Rogers. And he's about to retire.

 

[Howard Moon]

Since I've starting watching cricket we had guys like Border, Boon, Waugh, Ponting, Langer etc who you could depend on with regularity to preserve their wicket against the odds and build an innings.

Not sure who we have these days.

I think it's not just an issue with us, but cricket in general. Feels like the ipl/bbl type thing has watered down the cricketing culture, the $$$ feels like it's trumping what it means to play test cricket.

So many collapses these days, short tests, does anyone have any fortitude? It's like they play so much cricket they have a chance to redeem next week or the week after.

Plus giving away caps to anyone - not earning them over years in the sheild so you are bullet proof and ready. Now they are 'learning' on the job

Back in the day , 5 tests, few one days, a tour. That was it! 15 digs to hang your coat on.... Better get it right, preserve it.

 

[Phone]

Point is getting through a period of adversity, be it short balls, swing, spin, variable pitch, whatever it may be. Application to the task

This argument is also boring. Because it will invariably carry elements of hindsight hero, where their memorable efforts in tough conditions over-shadow their failures in tough conditions, which in all likelihood are more numerous. The players playing today do not have the same luxury.

 

[Howard Moon]

This argument is also boring. Because it will invariably carry elements of hindsight hero, where their memorable efforts in tough conditions over-shadow their failures in tough conditions, which in all likelihood are more numerous. The players playing today do not have the same luxury.

100% more numerous but that comes with being a batsman - one mistake and your out, a bowler can make 30 mistakes and still have a good say.

Fair enough call though.

Its always going to reek of hindsight hero when discussing the past.

All we have are averages that can try paint a picture for us as any form of proof.

Would Steve Waugh have stuck it out yesterday? will never know.