The Jamarra Thread

[Mojorisin]

I thought no Victorian clubs are interested including Geelong. His best chance is with the SA clubs.

I've been told Geelong are very much still interested but likely only as a delisted free agent if his current contract is torn up.
His management suggest he move interstate, Jamarra wants to stay in Victoria. Moving out of Melbourne seems like the most anyone could get him to agree to.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I can just imagine Sniff, Marra and Stengle hanging out together.

 

[The jouneyman]

I can just imagine Sniff, Marra and Stengle hanging out together.

too funny

 

[TiAn_]

The Cats tried to do the same thing with Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

and get him out of Melbourne while his value was its lowest.

 

[lachy]

Damo is right about one thing though, he will be playing football somewhere next year and the ‘lost to football’ chat is just naive or wishful thinking.

Even if the club wants to part ways, everyone there needs to at least maintain the appearance of being prepared to keep him on for the rest of the year, including Bev. Otherwise we’ll be getting zero from Geelong/Brisbane at the trade table.

In theory you are probably right.

However, this has gone way past anything normal. Unlike Smith, JUH even if he does get to another club will be on substantially less than he is now. His current management will not be making the money they made from the Smith deal and JUH will have to put in a lot of work for a lot less.

There is no indication at all he is prepared to do this. There is also no indication he is prepared to do what is necessary to get him out of his current situation, down to surrounding himself with people to provide the support he clearly needs.

When you quote, 'he will be playing football somewhere next year and the ‘lost to football’ chat is just naive or wishful thinking' you are making an assumption that he loves football and wants to step up to the level of professionalism required to do this as some troubled stars have in the past. At this point in time there has been nothing in his actions or comments that suggest he is currently in a head space to do this, so I am not sure based on the circumstances how this chat is either Naive or wishful thinking, moreso a simple reflection of the seriousness of the situation and why the AFL are involved.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Here's where the AFL need to have get off the fence and actually do something.

Here's a club being taken for a ride by a player (not for the first time it's happened to this club). A player contracted for another 18 months. A player not turning up to work, yet still getting paid.

If that player walks into another club at the end of the year it would set a huge precedent for the league and you would have contracted players playing the various cards they can and then nicking off to wherever they want when it suits them. Does the AFL want that? Maybe it does who knows?

The clubs should be in uproar here because it's us now, but it could be any one of them next even the Cotton On/Morris/farm club.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

In theory you are probably right.

However, this has gone way past anything normal. Unlike Smith, JUH even if he does get to another club will be on substantially less than he is now. His current management will not be making the money they made from the Smith deal and JUH will have to put in a lot of work for a lot less.

There is no indication at all he is prepared to do this. There is also no indication he is prepared to do what is necessary to get him out of his current situation, down to surrounding himself with people to provide the support he clearly needs.

When you quote, 'he will be playing football somewhere next year and the ‘lost to football’ chat is just naive or wishful thinking' you are making an assumption that he loves football and wants to step up to the level of professionalism required to do this as some troubled stars have in the past. At this point in time there has been nothing in his actions or comments that suggest he is currently in a head space to do this, so I am not sure based on the circumstances how this chat is either Naive or wishful thinking, moreso a simple reflection of the seriousness of the situation and why the AFL are involved.

It also suggests he has a problem with OUR club but is likely to be back to normal somewhere else.

I think commentators can't wrap their heads around the idea that a talented person like Jamarra could possibly just not be interested in a) playing or b) the money. I'm having trouble myself! But Tom Boyd struggled and eventually turned his back on the whole lifestyle.

 

[Dogs Rule]

It also suggests he has a problem with OUR club but is likely to be back to normal somewhere else.

I think commentators can't wrap their heads around the idea that a talented person like Jamarra could possibly just not be interested in a) playing or b) the money. I'm having trouble myself! But Tom Boyd struggled and eventually turned his back on the whole lifestyle.

Just irks me that the whole scenario gives all those media grubs another opportunity to kick the club and without reason. What more could the club have done here? When you have nothing, go the easy target and that's the club.

 

[lachy]

It also suggests he has a problem with OUR club but is likely to be back to normal somewhere else.

I think commentators can't wrap their heads around the idea that a talented person like Jamarra could possibly just not be interested in a) playing or b) the money. I'm having trouble myself! But Tom Boyd struggled and eventually turned his back on the whole lifestyle.

Absolutely. In comments JUH has been nothing but positive towards the club and players. He is clearly dealing with his own Demons and is struggling with that too. It may just be that like Tom Boyd and a few others it is the professional football life that is not for him, he just has not arrived at a place to make that decision.

In the meantime the club requires and is getting some assistance from the AFL. What that is and what that looks like is unknown to most, however too many in AFL media like to speculate to get the scoop once in every 50 attempts

 

[Mojorisin]

It also suggests he has a problem with OUR club but is likely to be back to normal somewhere else.

I think commentators can't wrap their heads around the idea that a talented person like Jamarra could possibly just not be interested in a) playing or b) the money. I'm having trouble myself! But Tom Boyd struggled and eventually turned his back on the whole lifestyle.

This whole situation just reinforces what an absolute legend Tom Boyd is.

 

[TiAn_]

Absolutely. In comments JUH has been nothing but positive towards the club and players. He is clearly dealing with his own Demons and is struggling with that too. It may just be that like Tom Boyd and a few others it is the professional football life that is not for him, he just has not arrived at a place to make that decision.

In the meantime the club requires and is getting some assistance from the AFL. What that is and what that looks like is unknown to most, however too many in AFL media like to speculate to get the scoop once in every 50 attempts

Dunkley and Smith never publicly said anything bad about the club either while both wanted out for years.

We just have to ensure we play the game for the rest of this year so it’s credible that we will work to reintegrate him and won’t just trade him for peanuts while he’s contracted when he inevitably asks for a trade.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Just irks me that the whole scenario gives all those media grubs another opportunity to kick the club and without reason. What more could the club have done here? When you have nothing, go the easy target and that's the club.

Yes, there's a subliminal message that somehow it's all our fault. They don't know how, or what, but in the absence of facts, to them it adds up. Which in one way is the AFL's fault because they have probably gagged the club from saying anything that might reflect badly on Jamarra.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Yes, there's a subliminal message that somehow it's all our fault. They don't know how, or what, but in the absence of facts, to them it adds up. Which in one way is the AFL's fault because they have probably gagged the club from saying anything that might reflect badly on Jamarra.

It's just lazy journalism but symbolic of the media today. Easy answers, headline grabbing garbage, clickbait nonsense, illogical conclusions and jumping at shadows all in the name of getting a story first, not even accurate, just first.

 

[W W Biscuit]

It's just lazy journalism but symbolic of the media today. Easy answers, headline grabbing garbage, clickbait nonsense, illogical conclusions and jumping at shadows all in the name of getting a story first, not even accurate, just first.

How good a wicket is Damien Barrett on? Dream job for the lazy and unaccountable, but can write in sentences. Where can I sign?

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

The Cats tried to do the same thing with Clayton Oliver and get him out of Melbourne while his value was its lowest.

They really are grubs aren’t they.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

They really are grubs aren’t they.

See themselves as bullet proof at the moment.

Times have a habit of changing, though.

Just ask Carlton and Essendon...

 

[Contador]

The idea that this is setting a dangerous precedent that other players will want to follow is quite funny.

You too can have a fun year of partying on a 900k salary! All you have to do is:

• Show the potential to be a generational talent in your first few years to get said 900k contract.
• Completely destroy all the important relationships you have with your friends and mentors at the club.
• Massively publicly embarrass yourself and put up with constant nationwide attention about how bad a person you are.
• Potentially destroy your entire football career, or at least significantly reduce your earning potential in both wages and sponsorship for future years.
• Likely live with great shame and embarrassment about all of this for the rest of your life.

I'm sure players will be queuing up to try this great new career opportunity.

 

[The White Mouse]

The idea that this is setting a dangerous precedent that other players will want to follow is quite funny.

You too can have a fun year of partying on a 900k salary! All you have to do is:

• Show the potential to be a generational talent in your first few years to get said 900k contract.
• Completely destroy all the important relationships you have with your friends and mentors at the club.
• Massively publicly embarrass yourself and put up with constant nationwide attention about how bad a person you are.
• Potentially destroy your entire football career, or at least significantly reduce your earning potential in both wages and sponsorship for future years.
• Likely live with great shame and embarrassment about all of this for the rest of your life.

I'm sure players will be queuing up to try this great new career opportunity.

It's a dangerous precedent if you can get away with it.

 

[adogsfan5]

Can the AFL hurry up and grow a set?

 

[Dogs Rule]

How good a wicket is Damien Barrett on? Dream job for the lazy and unaccountable, but can write in sentences. Where can I sign?

I reckon he pulls key phrases out of a barrel each week such is their regularity.

Typically, there's one or two 'We love the way player x goes about it', the usual blowing smoke up Geelong's backside and how awesome they are at everything even when there's a scandal, a coach (usually Bevo or Goodwin) being under pressure, more whinging about North and generally stuff he wouldn't have the balls to say to people's faces.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

The idea that this is setting a dangerous precedent that other players will want to follow is quite funny.

You too can have a fun year of partying on a 900k salary! All you have to do is:

• Show the potential to be a generational talent in your first few years to get said 900k contract.
• Completely destroy all the important relationships you have with your friends and mentors at the club.
• Massively publicly embarrass yourself and put up with constant nationwide attention about how bad a person you are.
• Potentially destroy your entire football career, or at least significantly reduce your earning potential in both wages and sponsorship for future years.
• Likely live with great shame and embarrassment about all of this for the rest of your life.

I'm sure players will be queuing up to try this great new career opportunity.

Thats not the precedent people are worried about. The worry is a circumstance like this: Tim English has just signed a 5 year contract. He has a history of concussions. If he decides that he is worried about long term health while being medically cleared to play, he can just not show up to training or play anymore while still collecting his salary.

 

[The White Mouse]

Whilst agricultural and unscientific in nature, this whole situation simply does not pass the pub test.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

The idea that this is setting a dangerous precedent that other players will want to follow is quite funny.

You too can have a fun year of partying on a 900k salary! All you have to do is:

• Show the potential to be a generational talent in your first few years to get said 900k contract.
• Completely destroy all the important relationships you have with your friends and mentors at the club.
• Massively publicly embarrass yourself and put up with constant nationwide attention about how bad a person you are.
• Potentially destroy your entire football career, or at least significantly reduce your earning potential in both wages and sponsorship for future years.
• Likely live with great shame and embarrassment about all of this for the rest of your life.

I'm sure players will be queuing up to try this great new career opportunity.

• Allow a narrative to develop that it’s not really your fault.
• Play as many “special” cards as are available to you.
• Don’t refute suggestions that your current club is somehow failing you.

 

[Jon#]

In comments JUH has been nothing but positive towards the club and players.

His comments face South but his actions face North.
They don't align. Snubbed the Footscray game.
His actions are like someone saying to you "I like you man" whilst giving you a filth look.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Thats not the precedent people are worried about. The worry is a circumstance like this: Tim English has just signed a 5 year contract. He has a history of concussions. If he decides that he is worried about long term health while being medically cleared to play, he can just not show up to training or play anymore while still collecting his salary.

It's hard to see how this can be avoided in the short term.

Longer term I wonder if it would help if the AFL introduced a rule something like - no more than 50% of any players contract can be base pay, with at least 50% made up of playing fees and performance bonuses. And give clubs more flexibility in managing over/under spends across multiple years.

Players still get 50% guaranteed for their home loans etc. Clubs don't get burned so bad with injuries/health/slackers.

Can do this now to some extent. But would need to be mandated though otherwise the top end players will just refuse them at that percent.