The Jamarra Thread

[Foxman98]

I don't think we're missing him heck all.

We're missing Bont. We're missing decision making and execution going I50.

Bont and Flea

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

I think the important thing from the club's and supporters view is to just sink the cost. You'll tie yourself in knots with what ifs if you don't.

For me, the important part in all this is the due diligence that went into his recruitment in the first place. Same with Smith. I couldn't GAF about whether or not this pundit or that pundit rated him highly in the draft on talent at age group level.

Unlike horses, they can talk. And you can talk to people who know them and/or their families and backgrounds.

The top 2 inches is where elite sport is won or lost and that's not exclusive to gameday. It encompasses training, preparation, injury recovery.....application.

People change. The church going Bailey Smith who said he won’t touch alcohol until he retires from AFL is far from the person he turned into.

 

[Dogs Rule]

This doesn’t have a good ending coming up.

Yes a lot of players might have a drink or attend a function or have something for their birthday, but they don’t list all over their socials about it.

Your absolute elite players barely drink within season or when injured etc and never post about drinking. Most organise their birthday things post the weekends game.

You have a guy here refusing to listen to anyone, having a party life and unfortunately our club and our membership money is helping to fund it.

Either Jamarra will wake up to himself when he gets traded and the other club doesn’t put up with it or he gets delisted cause no one will take him. Or if that doesn’t wake him up when he runs dry of cash and all the guys hanging on the party animal cash cow disappear because he’s no value to them anymore he will wake up to himself but be in a very dark and lonely place.

Nailed it. Our club and our dollars are paying for him to not be on the field, potentially costing us games and instead get p***** with his mates every weekend. Cool.

Gotta be shown the door at the end of the season.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I don’t know all the facts about Jamarra, all I know is that the parent of three boys, who are now in their 30s, that 22 is not old, factor in a community upbringing at Framingham, boarding school, and the weight of being a First Nations AFL role model who is also a first round draft pick!

He is trying to navigate the strict, constantly scrutinised world of AFL, with a helluva lot of money and vulnerable to being exploited. He doesn’t have a wise head on his shoulders yet, and unfortunately, like most of us he will learn about life from his mistakes.

When one of my sons got his heart broken for the first time, and also found out what it’s like for a good friend to betray your trust, he struggled, lost interest in his job, drank too much and was really down he got over it obviously with support from family and friends, he was 22. I really hope that whatever has brought Marra down so low, he will have help to get over it, I also hope he does get over it, and his love for AFL is re-kindled.

Finally, I am not trying to shift blame, but where are his parents in all of this, are they supporting Marra, does he listen to them.

 

[The White Mouse]

People change. The church going Bailey Smith who said he won’t touch alcohol until he retires from AFL is far from the person he turned into.

He can change in his own time at his own expense.

Why should we pay such an exorbitant amount of money and opportunity cost for someone to find themselves? Heck that! I expect effort at least...actually a lot more than than that.

A line has been ruled through him AFAIC. Comes out the other side a better person or whatever....CGAF.....that's his family's and mates concern.

GABOS....now there's a term he and/or his wannabe bikie mates might actually understand .... conceptually as opposed to in reality as they milk the cash cow for the time being. Just don't cry poor me from the gutter 5 years down the track and expect to be heard.

 

[Spiritof82]

We actually really need JUH at the moment. What a shame

Yep, we miss him standing in the pocket with his hands on his hips doing nothing apart thinking about what bar he was heading off to after the game or abusing his team mates because they didn't kick the ball within a metre of where he was

 

[TiAn_]

Wonder how much, if at all, Darcy coming on and suddenly Jamarra being clearly our second banana plays a part in all this.

I hope he views it as lessening the pressure on him if he returns, as he won’t have to be the focal point of our forward line. But the cynic in me wonders if he would view not being the main attraction this year in a less positive light.

 

[lachy]

Reality is whether we need him or not, he is not available and there is a possibility never will be so we have to get stronger with what we have

 

[The White Mouse]

Nailed it. Our club and our dollars are paying for him to not be on the field, potentially costing us games and instead get p***** with his mates every weekend. Cool.

Gotta be shown the door at the end of the season.

I don't know the mechanics of it all but I'd like to show him the door now. Tear up his contract and p1ss him off.

We'll get Butters with or without him.

 

[Doggy]

I don't know the mechanics of it all but I'd like to show him the door now. Tear up his contract and p1ss him off.

We'll get Butters with or without him.

That's not going to happen. The AFL also wouldn't allow it

 

[The White Mouse]

Why not? I'd be finding breaches of contract every day and emailing the AFL every day with a request to terminate. Every day.

 

[immortalmike]

**** we suck as a supporter base.

Jamarra is injured at the moment. It may not be physically but it is no less an injury than what Treloar, Bont or Weightman are dealing with. What's worse is that this injury may cause him act or choose poorly in the eyes of some here. That is certainly not helpful to his cause but not as unhelpful as the supposed supporters who are saying genuinely terrible things about him.

How about supporting him. How about treating him with respect. How about giving him some care and understanding. He'll cop enough from the general public. We're supposed to have his back.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Naughton's a complete clean skin in a 3 game form slump and the vitriol that I've seen is downright disgusting.

Sometimes I feel as a supporter base we don't deserve good things because we eat our own worse than any other. It's no wonder I barely post.

 

[Doggy]

**** we suck as a supporter base.

Jamarra is injured at the moment. It may not be physically but it is no less an injury than what Treloar, Bont or Weightman are dealing with. What's worse is that this injury may cause him act or choose poorly in the eyes of some here. That is certainly not helpful to his cause but not as unhelpful as the supposed supporters who are saying genuinely terrible things about him.

How about supporting him. How about treating him with respect. How about giving him some care and understanding. He'll cop enough from the general public. We're supposed to have his back.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Naughton's a complete clean skin in a 3 game form slump and the vitriol that I've seen is downright disgusting.

Sometimes I feel as a supporter base we don't deserve good things because we eat our own worse than any other. It's no wonder I barely post.

Nail meet head

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

Why not? I'd be finding breaches of contract every day and emailing the AFL every day with a request to terminate. Every day.

Why? It'd save some immediate cash this year (that we can't reallocate in the salary cap anyway) and lose an asset. Cutting your nose off to spite your face

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

**** we suck as a supporter base.

Jamarra is injured at the moment. It may not be physically but it is no less an injury than what Treloar, Bont or Weightman are dealing with. What's worse is that this injury may cause him act or choose poorly in the eyes of some here. That is certainly not helpful to his cause but not as unhelpful as the supposed supporters who are saying genuinely terrible things about him.

How about supporting him. How about treating him with respect. How about giving him some care and understanding. He'll cop enough from the general public. We're supposed to have his back.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Naughton's a complete clean skin in a 3 game form slump and the vitriol that I've seen is downright disgusting.

Sometimes I feel as a supporter base we don't deserve good things because we eat our own worse than any other. It's no wonder I barely post.

Well said

 

[Libbaaaa]

**** we suck as a supporter base.

Jamarra is injured at the moment. It may not be physically but it is no less an injury than what Treloar, Bont or Weightman are dealing with. What's worse is that this injury may cause him act or choose poorly in the eyes of some here. That is certainly not helpful to his cause but not as unhelpful as the supposed supporters who are saying genuinely terrible things about him.

How about supporting him. How about treating him with respect. How about giving him some care and understanding. He'll cop enough from the general public. We're supposed to have his back.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Naughton's a complete clean skin in a 3 game form slump and the vitriol that I've seen is downright disgusting.

Sometimes I feel as a supporter base we don't deserve good things because we eat our own worse than any other. It's no wonder I barely post.

I think most of the posters here understand that he is dealing with personal issues and respect that. They can also see where this is heading in terms of him requesting a trade at the end of the year for a fresh start after seeing his trade value completely tank. You are well within your right to not care about what his trade value is as long as he is in a good space mentally, but as diehard supporters of this football club we are also allowed to question choices Jamarra is making that on the surface appear to be calculated decisions to defy the club/drive his trade value.

I think we can all agree it is a grey area and like with most things we can discuss them as adults and not resort to speaking in a manner we would never resort to in the actual real world.

 

[lachy]

If you have the opportunity there is an excellent article by Matthew Stokes in the Age.

I do not want to breach anything by posting on here but the heading of the article is:

Why the ‘personal issues’ label is doing some AFL players a disservice​

Covers off issues in this case, with Bailey Smith and many others in a well thought out respectable manner

 

[House_of_Dahl]

**** we suck as a supporter base.

Jamarra is injured at the moment. It may not be physically but it is no less an injury than what Treloar, Bont or Weightman are dealing with. What's worse is that this injury may cause him act or choose poorly in the eyes of some here. That is certainly not helpful to his cause but not as unhelpful as the supposed supporters who are saying genuinely terrible things about him.

How about supporting him. How about treating him with respect. How about giving him some care and understanding. He'll cop enough from the general public. We're supposed to have his back.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Naughton's a complete clean skin in a 3 game form slump and the vitriol that I've seen is downright disgusting.

Sometimes I feel as a supporter base we don't deserve good things because we eat our own worse than any other. It's no wonder I barely post.

Fair points in here but think the truth lies somewhere in the middle grey zone.

If the player's physical injuries were because they were getting pissed and jumping off the deck there wouldn't be much sympathy either (ala Stephenson). Even less so if they kept repeating that behaviour over and over.

But as you say mental health is complex and potentially leading him towards making poor decisions too.

 

[Sharkey66]

If you have the opportunity there is an excellent article by Matthew Stokes in the Age.

I do not want to breach anything by posting on here but the heading of the article is:

Why the ‘personal issues’ label is doing some AFL players a disservice​

Covers off issues in this case, with Bailey Smith and many others in a well thought out respectable manner

You are allowed to post a link to the article, if you could do that it would be appreciated

 

[The White Mouse]

Why? It'd save some immediate cash this year (that we can't reallocate in the salary cap anyway) and lose an asset. Cutting your nose off to spite your face

Be that as it may it is the better path in my view.

The mistake was the lack of due diligence in his contract extension. We bare the cost of that and, in the light of the collaborator Smith's situation last year also, questions can rightly be asked of the list management team and their advice.

But we extract the poison and bare the cost for the betterment of the team and club from this point on. It is what it is.

I ain't got JUHs back and certainly didn't have Smith's. I do, however, have the club's best interests in mind and those of the committed players on the list.

What the best interests are and how to approach it may be contentious amongst posters.

 

[Jon#]

Jokes aside.
There is to me these days in general no accountability for ones actions. This isn't just footy, its everywhere now. Everything has an excuse. That's why our justice system, schools, families are failing.
Everything is met with "oh please don't be so harsh, you don't know what they're going through".
Screw this generations softy approach to everything anyone does wrong because its not exactly going very swimmingly out there in the world at present tracking the way it is with the modern day sooky la la approach to everything.
There needs to be accountability, wage cuts for one. Continue messing up, get out.
Its not nice the path JUH has chosen to take, hope he wakes up how stupid it is.
But, he's old enough to drink, drive, vote, marry, be a father. He's old enough that if he committed a serious crime to goes to an adult prison. This "oh he's only 22" he hasn't grown yet!
That's right, 22 not a baby, child, teen, he's an adult. Any other job if you stuffed up just half of what these unaccountable clowns do your fired, demoted, your held accountable. You don't say to the boss "oh boss, im only 22, I haven't grown yet. Could you please embrace and nurture me and keep paying me my full wage. Ill see you next fortnight, got a few parties and pubs to go to, chow! During that time boss sees you on social media at a night out fancy dress wearing a tutu with your blind as maggot mates throwing down tequilas, then selfies with droopy eyed mates and is he supposed to think "oh dear, little fellas had a hard time growing up, he's only 22 after all.
The weak as p*** generation.
I hope he gets his life back on track. But this no real accountability other than "oooh look how people are ragging on him isn't that punishment enough!" Is enough to make one want to throw up at times.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

Be that as it may it is the better path in my view.

The mistake was the lack of due diligence in his contract extension. We bare the cost of that and, in the light of the collaborator Smith's situation last year also, questions can rightly be asked of the list management team and their advice.

But we extract the poison and bare the cost for the betterment of the team and club from this point on. It is what it is.

I ain't got JUHs back and certainly didn't have Smith's. I do, however, have the club's best interests in mind and those of the committed players on the list.

What the best interests are and how to approach it may be contentious amongst posters.

Its a 2 year extension. I'd argue the list management team did a great amount of due diligence and arrived at a good outcome. Any less than 2 years essentially signals we aren't willing to work with him and any more would have been disasterous.

You are essentially saying that in October last year you would have been happy for Jamarra to be an uncontracted free agent.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

You are allowed to post a link to the article, if you could do that it would be appreciated

Why the ‘personal issues’ label is doing some AFL players a disservice

A player who is suffering from poor mental health should be given the space to work through their issues, with all the support the AFL system can offer. But if a player’s behaviour is contributing to their issues, clubs should be able to call out that behaviour.

www.theage.com.au

 

[lachy]

You are allowed to post a link to the article, if you could do that it would be appreciated

Why the ‘personal issues’ label is doing some AFL players a disservice

A player who is suffering from poor mental health should be given the space to work through their issues, with all the support the AFL system can offer. But if a player’s behaviour is contributing to their issues, clubs should be able to call out that behaviour.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

If you have the opportunity there is an excellent article by Matthew Stokes in the Age.

I do not want to breach anything by posting on here but the heading of the article is:

Why the ‘personal issues’ label is doing some AFL players a disservice​

Covers off issues in this case, with Bailey Smith and many others in a well thought out respectable manner

I'm posting something similar in the media thread.