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That's what I'm saying. Did we lose the game when he hit the wrong person or did we lose the game when Nakia decided to betray the village?

We would have shit it in if Nakia didn't vote for DJ, but then still had a chance if we hit the intimidator
 
I would have gone Hatchy even if you didn't say it, we were screwed either way.

I don't want to harp on the demise of the village but I'm going to. Confirmed good providing guidance is great, but if you've got nothing concrete to offer, don't be writing a list and then demanding people abide by your rules.

Being a seer is tough. I've never done it but if I ever did I would play the game much differently than that. It doesn't always have to be the seer who takes charge of the village. In Zelda (yes I keep referring to this) it was my hero who took charge and led the village to victory.

We would have shit it in if Nakia didn't vote for DJ, but then still had a chance if we hit the intimidator

Yeah that's what I thought. I felt certain that he was going to come back but I suspected he may **** us over like that.
 
Just as thought, no draws here.

Seer role, both a blessing and a curse, that sort of power can mess with you quite a fair bit.

I only intended to stay around to give four seers, with N3 being the big one. I was really hoping for more activity before revealing, but clearly, it wasn't.

Seers are only worth something if you actually hit something. I didn't, and it was out of the way, I kept it to keep the field open. I was pretty happy with the JT lynch because I was confident on him being evil. Why stop that if you've hit nothing?

As noted, I never said to not kill. I have enough trust in the vigs to go out and get a result. You can't be stationary in this game. As you could see, even though we lost a neutral, we still had a head caught.

N3 was a concern for me, because the most important thing was to get out with minimal damage. We had a vig and a seer out in the open (and well, if I knew it was BJD earlier on, I would've been more confident) and I had to protect R2M. I also had the seer of BS, who was cub, and well, looked who wanted to have a piece of that action? As a villager, go for it, as a seer, that would be a quick ticket to doom. For me, the worst possible thing that could've happened was for the kills to be split. Also after hearing Dogs claim he knew the Doctor... well then, just split the kills, removing one of the vig/doctor just like that. I felt that outing BS was probably the worst move, because then he could use his status to plan out the move.

As much as I didn't like it, I had to get Morgs to kill a village target that was going to be evil. Problem was, there wasn't much action at all, so therefore, hard to determine. I'm not going to lie, but was really hoping for further clarification to make it more effective. Thank goodness that arrived. Best period as it set up a more manageable blueprint. I decided that I would choose the 6 out of 8 names, ensuring I tailored the two names to ensure it best fit in the line of thought of the killers. I even tailored the three names I felt the most confident about (I'm going to say it now, yes, I had no feeling on Froggy and FR being evil, but Paddles mentioned FR, Joe mentioned Froggy, and I really did not want BS being listed.) I felt better with this revised list of suspects, because there was some good quality behind it.

Yes, Rodney came in, suss as heck, but I figured he would be dealt with later.

I think with the names given, we'd hit 1 or 2 evil... I was thinking, no matter the circumstances, village would be in a good position. We'd make evil waste their kills.

Evil did waste their kills... unfortunately, we hit 3 villagers. (I'm not counting the 4th, since evil hit that). That summed it up right there, but as noted, it was good news, because the village had effectively won (and should've).

Let's be honest, if we had hit 2 kills and the GF, this would have a whole different spin, wouldn't it?

Nope, 3 villagers. Of course. Just had to be that combo. Any combo would've worked.


Honestly, don't like the ideas of lists, but felt in the situation, the worst possible thing would be to come clean, and risk coming out of that not only with a vig or doc dead, but the Wolves going into it with two kills.


As I said, it's a balancing act. I like to think I did do the right thing, but those villager kills hurt, even though it lead to a quicker conclusion.

Can someone please what I actually should've done? Knowing that situation... it would be so much different if the coin flipped the other way. If I told, I screw the village, and apparently here, I did the same despite it being in our favour.

Sometimes knowing is worse than not knowing at all...

Thanks for your input. Once I realised that you'd seered me and not my allies, I was left in a bit of a win-win scenario, where I'd either draw a kill, or force you to confirm me as cub which would actually protect me from harm.

It was a big gamble going in with your lists, and it didn't pay off. If we'd lost JT and WGS it would have been all over that night.
 
great game, would have loved to stick around longer (thanks flogs) and thanks dennis crumpet
Bet on Blue well played.
Morganashlee, again, well played.
BigJoeD_ , that was unreal. When I saw that evil list go up, with I think all bar one being evil, I grinned. It might have been an evil grin
 

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He's only 1 because he was betting on the douche to betray his own people for no reason other than petty revenge...
Shouldn't be one based on that.
Nakia needs to not play any of these games anymore.
 

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