No Oppo Supporters The Melt Thread

[Hazelsnuts]

I'll take that bet on the proviso they don't sign more than one gun FA.

They haven't dropped off a cliff yet because they still have like 12 triple premiership players. Those players are 1 by 1 dropping over the edge and they only have Sicliy, Hardwick and Burton coming up to replace them. There time in the pits will come or at best they will become a North style permanent mid table team until they replenish their elite talent.

Long time they’ve been in contention and around abouts...
Since 2006 Hawthorn have finished outside the 8 twice and the 2 times outside were 11 and 12.
Shit I would’ve taken that over the past 12 years as well as the 4 premierships and 2 GF appeances.

 

[Nothing]

And all never heard of again ... well Bhill has playing in centre.

Bennell injured and not able to make it back last year when he pinged his calf again after getting it 40% stronger than anyone which only tested his breaking point but not good enough to get a game. Played justthe 3 quarters for Peel as BHill last week and BHill straight back in after missing many weeks. Mentally I think Bennell needs to be thrown in and manged in AFL, preferably where he can play in the forward line.

Sometimes, I think you just like to type every word that comes into your mind.

 

[Deathly]

Uh oh, people bringing out the Hawthorn comparison again.

 

[BlueE]

Sometimes, I think you just like to type every word that comes into your mind.

What do you think I only have 40 words or so in my brain? I replied to your post "McCarthy, Matera, Bennell, Brad Hill (well forward of centre) have all made that choice." That was the choice to come to Freo as a forward.

Melt at why they have had no success as Freo forwards not me! I'm pointing out Bennell is different and the impossibly high and moving bar that was set for him to get to to get a game.

 

[Nothing]

What do you think I only have 40 words or so in my brain? I replied to your post "McCarthy, Matera, Bennell, Brad Hill (well forward of centre) have all made that choice." That was the choice to come to Freo as a forward.

Melt at why they have had no success as Freo forwards not me! I'm pointing out Bennell is different and the impossibly high and moving bar that was set for him to get to to get a game.

I'm sure you have more than 40 words in total. Probably hundreds.

Once again stream of consciousness. I wasn't melting that they had no success as forward, I was saying they all chose to come to Freo as forwards when someone else was melting about nobody wanting to play for Ross. It's like you didn't read a thing written, saw Bennell named, got triggered and started your stream of thought.

 

[Square Peg]

You got Salim there Fonzi.
Around 2014 the club was trumpeting to be consistent contenders, that was the mantra and tagline.
The Hawks gave also traded out players who have become B22 at other clubs: Hartung, Anderson
Players retire, players get traded.....and coaches move on or they are sacked.
For a no excuses football club, we sure as hell seem to have a few.
I like you would rather be around the mark consistently instead of undertaking a rebuild due to piss poor list management.

^^That is so true Hazelsnuts
Remember why Bond wasn't going to trade away draft picks for a ready made forward - because we were after sustained success? Didn't that turn out well?

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Uh oh, people bringing out the Hawthorn comparison again.

What comparison??
Stating differing progression and list development

 

[Mudd]

^^That is so true Hazelsnuts
Remember why Bond wasn't going to trade away draft picks for a ready made forward - because we were after sustained success? Didn't that turn out well?

at least we ended up with a ready made back pocket for Peel.

 

[AAACockburn]

For all those people shitting on the melters. Please go to the appropriate thread ty

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-positivity-thread.1161002/page-41#post-56549983

 

[TheInjuryFactory]

moddin'
I gotta say though, I don't understand why people engage with meltees to try and persuade or ridicule them. This is a thread to dump all your irrational and emotional grievances in - trying to convince someone of an alternate perspective here is pointless. If you want informed discussion you're better off elsewhere. Don't shit on the people who need to vent, especially when it means there's going to be less of it on other threads. We don't like people making fun of posters in the positivity thread, I think it's only fair that the same idea is applied here.

tl;dr - Let the melters melt in peace. Total oxymoron but you know what i mean.
/moddin'

 

[TheInjuryFactory]

Thought this was interesting from the Pres at the season launch.

In his first major address since becoming President of the Fremantle Football Club, our President has spoken of his determination to ensure that the club remains focused on its goal of achieving sustained success.

Addressing sponsors and guests on Monday night at Fremantle’s Season Launch Dinner at the Perth Convention Exhibition Centre, he also highlighted the significant change and renewal at the club in the past two years, including:

• Out of 46 players, 23 are new to the club in the past two years, with only one of those 23 having prior AFL experience

The Pres said that with its singular focus of delivering sustained success, the club’s strategic plan meant being strong both on and off the field.

“It’s no accident that in the past five years the most successful clubs on field are also the strongest financially, and operate from some of the best, most modern facilities,” he said.

“Sustained success means playing competitive football, winning games, playing finals, winning finals and delivering a premiership.

“It means building a club and team that can deliver that premiership rather than just chasing shorter-term success.”

The President assured the club’s members, supporters and sponsors that every single player, coach, staff member and board member shared that goal and understood what was required of them to deliver it.

“At times in last year, and at times in the pre-season this year, you will have seen glimpses of our potential,” he said.

“Believe me, there is much more to come, and in the coming season we look forward to seeing more development of our exciting young talent.”

The new President said that the club was proud to have invested in more young talent than any other AFL club in the past two drafts.

“As your new President my role is to ensure that we maintain our focus on sustained success,” he said.

“And that we avoid the pitfalls of short-term pressures and short-term decision making, and keep our eye always on the future goal.”

He finished his season launch address with a rallying call to Fremantle members, supporters and sponsors.

“When we achieve that goal, and we will, we’d like you to be able to tell your friends that you’ve been part of the club for years,” he said.

“That you were there when it all began, and that sharing the success is all the sweeter for having been there at the beginning.”

Spoiler

Steve Harris, 2010 Season Launch

http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/...ss-requires-strength-on-and-off-field-harris-

We've heard it all before.

 

[BlueE]

I'm sure you have more than 40 words in total. Probably hundreds.

Once again stream of consciousness. I wasn't melting that they had no success as forward, I was saying they all chose to come to Freo as forwards when someone else was melting about nobody wanting to play for Ross. It's like you didn't read a thing written, saw Bennell named, got triggered and started your stream of thought.

Sorry I misunderstood your post. Did you think those players came to Freo because they wanted to play for Ross??

They wanted to come back to Perth and Freo offered big bickies. The payoff being they would be valuable forwards. That hasn't happened and questions should be asked (not about BHill as I've said). It's not as if they are not good players or were.

 

[stax on the mull]

Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Port. Even Hawthorn the last time they were shit was over a decade ago with a different coach.

If you're looking at finals participation this decade, from 2010 onwards Sydney have never missed and Geelong and Hawthorn have missed once...but Collingwood haven't made the finals since losing to Port in their 2013 home elimination final.

Those other teams compared to Femantle's 5 times in Finals between 2010 and 2017 are West Coast 5 , Collingwood 4, Adelaide 4, and Port Adelaide 3.

Maybe it looks like they've been more consistently successful than they actually have.

 

[ydraw]

If you're looking at finals participation this decade, from 2010 onwards Sydney have never missed and Geelong and Hawthorn have missed once...but Collingwood haven't made the finals since losing to Port in their 2013 home elimination final.

Those other teams compared to Femantle's 5 times in Finals between 2010 and 2017 are West Coast 5 , Collingwood 4, Adelaide 4, and Port Adelaide 3.

Just as well I wasn't just comparing how many times they made finals then.

How many times have Collingwood finished in the bottom 6 with a percentage under 75? Because we're going for our third year in a row of doing that.

The teams I mentioned have at least been competitive if not actually made the finals every year.

 

[stax on the mull]

Just as well I wasn't just comparing how many times they made finals then.

How many times have Collingwood finished in the bottom 6 with a percentage under 75? Because we're going for our third year in a row of doing that.

The teams I mentioned have at least been competitive if not actually made the finals every year.

Fair enough...we had a 4 win year and 8 win year and we're currently on 6 wins. But is there much difference climbing from 15 to 11th in this competition?

 

[ydraw]

Fair enough...we had a 4 win year and 8 win year and we're currently on 6 wins. But is there much difference climbing from 15 to 11th in this competition?

Not just about wins but also about percentage. Last year we had 8 wins but the 2nd lowest percentage, could easily have won the wooden spoon last year if a few lucky finishes didn't go our way. This year our percentage is slightly better but we're still miles away from the teams that are 11th or 12th.

My point was that the consistently good teams rarely have more than 1 year in a row of being uncompetitive the way we have been. They might not make the finals every year but they're usually only a win or 2 outside if they don't make it.

The full "rebuild" that we are supposed to be buying into where we accept being rubbish for 3-4 consecutive years is almost exclusively the domain of the perennial loser clubs like Carlton, St. Kilda etc. It's certainly not inevitable, it's the result of past poor recruiting and poor player development.

Look at a player like Connor Blakely - who played 26 WAFL games for Peel before becoming a regular in the league side. How much better would he be right now if he had another 15 games AFL experience under his belt? Instead we chose to play guys like Suban, and now we use our inexperienced list as an excuse for getting belted.

 

[stax on the mull]

Not just about wins but also about percentage. Last year we had 8 wins but the 2nd lowest percentage, could easily have won the wooden spoon last year if a few lucky finishes didn't go our way. This year our percentage is slightly better but we're still miles away from the teams that are 11th or 12th.

My point was that the consistently good teams rarely have more than 1 year in a row of being uncompetitive the way we have been. They might not make the finals every year but they're usually only a win or 2 outside if they don't make it.

You're widening the criteria of consistently good teams to include a team like Collingwood who have just missed the finals 4 years in a row.

 

[ydraw]

You're widening the criteria of consistently good teams to include a team like Collingwood who have just missed the finals 4 years in a row.

Perhaps "consistently good" isn't the right phrase, what I mean is that most AFL teams don't actually accept that you need to undertake a complete rebuild in order to be good. Rebuilding is something you are forced to do when you've really ****ed up. It's not like a business cycle. The teams that have undertaken full "rebuilds" have mostly been teams that have been shit for the best part of 20 years. And in no way have those rebuilds given them sustained success. I don't think we should accept that.

 

[salim malik]

Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Port. Even Hawthorn the last time they were shit was over a decade ago with a different coach.

Now let me list the clubs that have "rebuilds"

Melbourne, St. Kilda, Carlton, Brisbane, etc.

Which group of clubs would you rather be in?

Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Port. Even Hawthorn the last time they were shit was over a decade ago with a different coach.




Now let me list the clubs that have "rebuilds"

Melbourne, St. Kilda, Carlton, Brisbane, etc.

Which group of clubs would you rather be in?

We have been 3 years out of the finals and with the talent we are building will make finals next season.Thats hardly in the Melbourne etc group. Hawthorn were shit when Clarkson was coach and he was on the chopping block, youre wrong on Hawthorn.


Geelong and Hawthorn took 50 odd years to win a flag. Richmond went years finishing 9th. Bulldogs years in the wilderness ,won a Gf and now rebuilding.
You cant dispute the fact that all clubs rebuild .

 

[salim malik]

Long time they’ve been in contention and around abouts...
Since 2006 Hawthorn have finished outside the 8 twice and the 2 times outside were 11 and 12.
Shit I would’ve taken that over the past 12 years as well as the 4 premierships and 2 GF appeances.

Hawks went years without a Gf were near bankrupt and were going to merge with Melbourne until Don Scott organised a public donation drive to get them out of the shit. Clarkson was on the verge of being sacked .They embarked on total rebuild that incl gaining Buddy etc and even then were shit until Buddy and Co gained experience. Hawks 12 years of domination came about because of a massive rebuild , just like Freo are attempting.

 

[Caldera]

Clarkson's first season was 2005. They were uncompetitive for 2005 and 2006, then 13 wins in 2007. So 2 seasons for the angry ant to turn it around. If you want to compare us directly to Hawthorn it doesn't look good.

 

[rgauci]

Not just about wins but also about percentage. Last year we had 8 wins but the 2nd lowest percentage, could easily have won the wooden spoon last year if a few lucky finishes didn't go our way. This year our percentage is slightly better but we're still miles away from the teams that are 11th or 12th.

My point was that the consistently good teams rarely have more than 1 year in a row of being uncompetitive the way we have been. They might not make the finals every year but they're usually only a win or 2 outside if they don't make it.

The full "rebuild" that we are supposed to be buying into where we accept being rubbish for 3-4 consecutive years is almost exclusively the domain of the perennial loser clubs like Carlton, St. Kilda etc. It's certainly not inevitable, it's the result of past poor recruiting and poor player development.

Look at a player like Connor Blakely - who played 26 WAFL games for Peel before becoming a regular in the league side. How much better would he be right now if he had another 15 games AFL experience under his belt? Instead we chose to play guys like Suban, and now we use our inexperienced list as an excuse for getting belted.

I don’t think another 15 games would make any difference at all. It’s the bang games into them and they’ll get better theory. Some development in the lower league I think is good.

 

[Rion]

I've said it before but I think people just have a different perspective on rebuilds. Symptom of failure or requirement for success - take your pick. I'm personally in the first camp and hence don't excuse the complete disaster we're in right now because 'everyone does it' (and they don't, at least not in the current AFL) but others would obviously disagree.

We have been 3 years out of the finals and with the talent we are building will make finals next season.Thats hardly in the Melbourne etc group. Hawthorn were shit when Clarkson was coach and he was on the chopping block, youre wrong on Hawthorn.

Geelong and Hawthorn took 50 odd years to win a flag. Richmond went years finishing 9th. Bulldogs years in the wilderness ,won a Gf and now rebuilding.
You cant dispute the fact that all clubs rebuild .

If we do make finals, I agree it hasn't been so bad but I don't think we've got a chance. We look miles off the top 8 right now and to make it next year we'd have to overtake GWS, Adelaide, Essendon and arguably Brisbane who all look much stronger than us right now.

 

[Fyfster]

This season reminds me of that horrible movie Groundhog day , because it is the same season repeating itself , Last year we got to the Bye rounds at 6 wins and 6 losses ,And maybe a silly chance of playing finals , Then we only won 2 of our remaining 10 games This year 5 - 7 but won in round 13 to make it 6-7 ,We have come back from the bye playing what can only be described as shocking football .And i can't see where the other two wins are coming from , But 8 wins looks like a good result based on the last two weeks . Btw our percentage is lower this year besides our better scoring at Optus , Our scoring away has dropped to embarrassing levels .One poster noted one positive was that we have not copped a hundred point belting , Don't worry the way we are playing that is only a matter of time . And bah bad kicking it would have been against Melbourne last week anyway , That game was exactly like any 100 point thrashing i have ever witnessed .

 

[Nothing]

I've said it before but I think people just have a different perspective on rebuilds. Symptom of failure or requirement for success - take your pick. I'm personally in the first camp and hence don't excuse the complete disaster we're in right now because 'everyone does it' (and they don't, at least not in the current AFL) but others would obviously disagree.



If we do make finals, I agree it hasn't been so bad but I don't think we've got a chance. We look miles off the top 8 right now and to make it next year we'd have to overtake GWS, Adelaide, Essendon and arguably Brisbane who all look much stronger than us right now.

The Brisbane team who have one of the oldest midfields of a rebuilding team yet still only just got their 3rd win? Or the Adelaide and Essendon teams who are one win above us on the ladder and we beat both earlier this year?