No Oppo Supporters The Melt Thread

[Deathly]

Nah Apeness needed to be rested. I feel like he either would of been injured this week or gone from playing 2 quarters to 1.

McCarthy & Sutcliffe is an actual joke. Would of preferred to see D.PEARCE for Brayshaw and JOHNSON for Kersten for Christs sake!

 

[E Shed]

Would of preferred to see D.PEARCE for Brayshaw and JOHNSON for Kersten for Christs sake!

you know its really hit rock bottom when Pearce and Jonno were stiff.

 

[mike91]

Nah Apeness needed to be rested. I feel like he either would of been injured this week or gone from playing 2 quarters to 1.

McCarthy & Sutcliffe is an actual joke. Would of preferred to see D.PEARCE for Brayshaw and JOHNSON for Kersten for Christs sake!

Except he's not rested, he's dropped and named for Peel. There is zero logic in that. If he was rested, then sweet no complaints, but dropped.......nope, that's terrible.

 

[Deathly]

Except he's not rested, he's dropped and named for Peel. There is zero logic in that. If he was rested, then sweet no complaints, but dropped.......nope, that's terrible.

He was terrible against Melbourne and barely ran the game out. He's played 5 games unscathed, that's a great result for him. Overplaying him at AFL is only going to result in an injury given his current fitness level. Let him go back to Peel and play at a slower pace and continue to build on that.

Jones - who currently probably is more in form to play at AFL gets more experience and helps support a returning Darcy a lot better than Ape could.

The omission of Apeman isn't a terrible result at all.

 

[mike91]

He was terrible against Melbourne and barely ran the game out. He's played 5 games unscathed, that's a great result for him. Overplaying him at AFL is only going to result in an injury given his current fitness level. Let him go back to Peel and play at a slower pace and continue to build on that.

Jones - who currently probably is more in form to play at AFL gets more experience and helps support a returning Darcy a lot better than Ape could.

The omission of Apeman isn't a terrible result at all.

Completely disagree. We should be getting as many games as possible into Ape. Realistically he is our future forward/second ruckman. He sucked against the best ruck in the AFL in Darwin? Hardly a surprise. But why drop a bloke who is part of our future and has played well bar that one game, where we got destroyed everywhere. Ape went up against two of the best rucks in the league two weeks in a row. Rest him, sure no one has a problem with that, but drop him, nah makes no sense. Dropping a player who is part of the future, who actually needs as many games as he can get is just ridiculously stupid and such a Fremantle move. I highly doubt Jones will be on our list in a few years, yet here we are, investing more time into him when we should be pumping games into Ape.

Ape in literally every single way > Jones

It isn't just a terrible decision, it's a f***ing disgraceful decision.

 

[Deathly]

Completely disagree. We should be getting as many games as possible into Ape. Realistically he is our future forward/second ruckman. He sucked against the best ruck in the AFL in Darwin? Hardly a surprise. But why drop a bloke who is part of our future and has played well bar that one game, where we got destroyed everywhere. Ape went up against two of the best rucks in the league two weeks in a row. Rest him, sure no one has a problem with that, but drop him, nah makes no sense. Dropping a player who is part of the future, who actually needs as many games as he can get is just ridiculously stupid and such a Fremantle move. I highly doubt Jones will be on our list in a few years, yet here we are, investing more time into him when we should be pumping games into Ape.

Ape in literally every single way > Jones

It isn't just a terrible decision, it's a f***ing disgraceful decision.

Who Ape played and where is irrelevant, he was terrible because of his fitness. We know his history and it's not his fault really but sadly that's what it is and what he needs to continue to build throughout the season whether it's in AFL or WAFL. I thought he should of been out of the side after the Carlton game but I'm glad he managed to get 2 more games in. I agree that Apeness has more upside than Jones but right now after his amount of exposure and injuries he's just hit a road-block at AFL because of his body.

For someone who has only played 30 odd games at Peel since 2014 and is close to doubling his total games played in AFL only now - you just play him wherever and whenever he deserves to be played when fit given his history.

I'd rather not see him be pushed beyond his physical capabilities, be a detriment to the side and potential collateral to Darcy just because he is "apart of the future" so that automatically means he shouldn't be playing WAFL. If you're in his situation and your only downside is your fitness & football game time - AFL isn't a quick-fix compared to WAFL.

Also Jones' may not have shown his potential contribution / ability to this club's future yet, although it's way too early to be deciding his fate. If we applied the same training and playing block of work to other players on our list there'd be at least 10 other players meeting that cut criteria.

 

[mike91]

Who Ape played and where is irrelevant, he was terrible because of his fitness. We know his history and it's not his fault really but sadly that's what it is and what he needs to continue to build throughout the season whether it's in AFL or WAFL. I thought he should of been out of the side after the Carlton game but I'm glad he managed to get 2 more games in. I agree that Apeness has more upside than Jones but right now after his amount of exposure and injuries he's just hit a road-block at AFL because of his body.

For someone who has only played 30 odd games at Peel since 2014 and is close to doubling his total games played in AFL only now - you just play him wherever and whenever he deserves to be played when fit given his history.

I'd rather not see him be pushed beyond his physical capabilities, be a detriment to the side and potential collateral to Darcy just because he is "apart of the future" so that automatically means he shouldn't be playing WAFL. If you're in his situation and your only downside is your fitness & football game time - AFL isn't a quick-fix compared to WAFL.

Also Jones' may not have shown his potential contribution / ability to this club's future yet, although it's way too early to be deciding his fate. If we applied the same training and playing block of work to other players on our list there'd be at least 10 other players meeting that cut criteria.

Wait a minute, you wanted him dropped/rested after the Carlton game? Why? After Carlton we had the bye. Also he was very good in that Carlton game. Why would he possibly be out of the side after that game?

He hasn't really hit a road block, he just needs to spend more time forward and less in the ruck. We keep going on about how these kids/inexperienced players need game time, yet herr we are dropping Apeness.

Is it too early to decide Jones' fate? Yeah probably, but as harsh as it is, it's probably commonsense that he won't be around for long. Jones has to be a number one ruckman, he can't play the second ruck good enough at AFL level. He is competing with Darcy and Darcy is a much better player than Jones. Essentially Jones might be around anywhere from 2-5 years purely as depth for when Darcy is injured in the future, but he'll never be a best 22 player. Harsh, but can anyone actually see Jones being part of our team going forward? It's easy to replace him, just like it was easy to replace Jack Hannath.

 

[Deathly]

Wait a minute, you wanted him dropped/rested after the Carlton game? Why? After Carlton we had the bye. Also he was very good in that Carlton game. Why would he possibly be out of the side after that game?

He hasn't really hit a road block, he just needs to spend more time forward and less in the ruck. We keep going on about how these kids/inexperienced players need game time, yet herr we are dropping Apeness.

Is it too early to decide Jones' fate? Yeah probably, but as harsh as it is, it's probably commonsense that he won't be around for long. Jones has to be a number one ruckman, he can't play the second ruck good enough at AFL level. He is competing with Darcy and Darcy is a much better player than Jones. Essentially Jones might be around anywhere from 2-5 years purely as depth for when Darcy is injured in the future, but he'll never be a best 22 player. Harsh, but can anyone actually see Jones being part of our team going forward? It's easy to replace him, just like it was easy to replace Jack Hannath.

Yes in the Carlton game he did a few nice things that got over-examined just because he's Apeness and it's nice to see him having an impact although outside of that he still appeared to be very slow at times and blowing down the trees despite it only being his 3rd game in a row. I thought after that game it was good to see him get through multiple weeks at AFL level but now he should probably go back out for an extended period. The bye had little impact on him, he was okay against Lions although last week he basically regressed back to being worse than his Carlton game. Jones coming in for Apeness is 100% the right call and not going to effect Apeness's development / progression in any way.

I agree Apeness needs to play more time forward too in the future - and that might of been a contributor to his last couple of performances although my reasoning goes back to his game against Carlton where he was played more outside of the number one ruck role. Is the game inexperience argument valid in Ape's case when he's older and an 2018 5 gamer comes out for a 2018 2 gamer?

Obviously I see the future being Darcy / Apeness too but we can't be certain on that. There might be a few surprises when we see Jones / Apeness / Strad / Meek get more pre-seasons under their belts and they begin to get exposed more frequently at the top level.

 

[mike91]

Yes in the Carlton game he did a few nice things that got over-examined just because he's Apeness and it's nice to see him having an impact although outside of that he still appeared to be very slow at times and blowing down the trees despite it only being his 3rd game in a row. I thought after that game it was good to see him get through multiple weeks at AFL level but now he should probably go back out for an extended period. The bye had little impact on him, he was okay against Lions although last week he basically regressed back to being worse than his Carlton game. Jones coming in for Apeness is 100% the right call and not going to effect Apeness's development / progression in any way.

I agree Apeness needs to play more time forward too in the future - and that might of been a contributor to his last couple of performances although my reasoning goes back to his game against Carlton where he was played more outside of the number one ruck role. Is the game inexperience argument valid in Ape's case when he's older and an 2018 5 gamer comes out for a 2018 2 gamer?

Obviously I see the future being Darcy / Apeness too but we can't be certain on that. There might be a few surprises when we see Jones / Apeness / Strad / Meek get more pre-seasons under their belts and they begin to get exposed more frequently at the top level.

You've massively underrated his game Carlton. He was damn impressive, taking good marks, bringing the ball to ground, doing the one percenters, set up a couple of goals (six score involvements). It's the little things that the stats don't show that made his game all the more better.

You thought he's played a few games now, time to go back to Peel? How does that make sense? Coming off arguably his career best game, the last thing to do is drop him back to Peel.

'Regressed back to being worse than his Carlton game'. What?!

Nah, no way is dropping Ape smart, not even 0.000001%. Pathetic team selection is an understatement this week.

 

[Deathly]

He returned to AFL football and played 3 games unscathed and was serviceable in them. He traveled twice and his fitness problems were showing in the Carlton game outside of his impact which I acknowledged before. Yes, he should of been probably gone back.

Again, If I applied your thought process to Jones and ignored all the other variables in play - then why did he get sent back after a few games and arguably his career best game against the Crows?

If you honestly don't believe dropping Apeness doesn't benefit him, Darcy, Jones and the side playing on this weekend then you're either clueless or being selfish because you've just conditioned yourself to think the whole "Play Youth / Inexperience" philosophy means strictly playing AFL.

The selfish me would obviously love to see Apeness keep playing somehow, because I love Apeness. Although in reality it's a terrible and risky idea.

That's where I'm ending my thoughts on Apeness being dropped.

These posts aren't even Melts.

 

[mike91]

He returned to AFL football and played 3 games unscathed and was serviceable in them. He traveled twice and his fitness problems were showing in the Carlton game outside of his impact which I acknowledged before. Yes, he should of been probably gone back.

Again, If I applied your thought process to Jones and ignored all the other variables in play - then why did he get sent back after a few games and arguably his career best game against the Crows?

If you honestly don't believe dropping Apeness doesn't benefit him, Darcy, Jones and the side playing on this weekend then you're either clueless or being selfish because you've just conditioned yourself to think the whole "Play Youth / Inexperience" philosophy means strictly playing AFL.

The selfish me would obviously love to see Apeness keep playing somehow, because I love Apeness. Although in reality it's a terrible and risky idea.

That's where I'm ending my thoughts on Apeness being dropped.

Oh mate, you really wanna insult me? Why get into a debate if you resort to insults, it's pathetic.

You wanted him dropped after three games, coming off his best game and we just had the bye.......seriously what? Just don't get how that makes any sense.

I'm neither clueless or selfish, I'm just not supporting the decision of dropping an important player when he doesn't deserve to be dropped.

Jones was ok against Adelaide, nothing that great. Also, Sandilands came back the following week, fairly obvious that Sandilands is better than Jones.

Not at all a terrible or a risky idea.

Sweet, good debate.

 

[Deathly]

Jones was ok against Adelaide, nothing that great. Also, Sandilands came back the following week, fairly obvious that Sandilands is better than Jones

Doesn't matter if he was okay, it was after a few games and his career best game. That criteria you set warrants Apeness to keep playing but not Jones?

Also re; Sandilands

> If I applied your thought process to Jones and ignored all the other variables in play

Not at all a terrible or a risky idea.

So you think it's a good idea to try and force an injury on someone who barely ran out last week? Or to make Darcy get overworked in the ruck and perhaps prompt an injury because Apeness gets injured or has to sit half the game on the bench? Or watch us get thumped even harder just so Apeness can rack in minutes that end up being meaningless because he couldn't even play the game properly?

We actually should of taken Bennell & North to NT last week, because who cares if they get injured again - they're apart of the future anyways and we need to visibly see the inexperience being played through AFL only.

My viewing pleasure and confirmation on my idea of a rebuild is more important than the club's future and a player's welfare.

 

[mike91]

Doesn't matter if he was okay, it was after a few games and his career best game. That criteria you set warrants Apeness to keep playing but not Jones?

Also re; Sandilands

> If I applied your thought process to Jones and ignored all the other variables in play



So you think it's a good idea to try and force an injury on someone who barely ran out last week? Or to make Darcy get overworked in the ruck and perhaps prompt an injury because Apeness gets injured or has to sit half the game on the bench? Or watch us get thumped even harder just so Apeness can rack in minutes that end up being meaningless because he couldn't even play the game properly?

We actually should of taken Bennell & North to NT last week, because who cares if they get injured again - they're apart of the future anyways and we need to visibly see the inexperience being played through AFL only.

My viewing pleasure and confirmation on my idea of a rebuild is more important than the club's future and a player's welfare.

So much for being done with this conversation lol.

So you think Jones should of kept his place and Sandilands shouldn't of played? Rightio then.......

Apeness barely ran out because he was fatigued chasing the fittest ruckman in the hottest state? Well that's predictable.

You don't like it when people disagree with you do you? It seems to hit a sensitive spot, brings out a nasty side to you. Believe it or not, we are actually allowed to have different opinions.

But, if I am allowed to use your logic, hypothetically let's say Sean Darcy plays ok this weekend, plays even better next week in this third game, do we drop him to Peel? Do we become grateful that he played a few games and send him back to the wafl? No, we don't, because why would you possibly drop him?

 

[yakka man]

Doesn't matter if he was okay, it was after a few games and his career best game. That criteria you set warrants Apeness to keep playing but not Jones?

Also re; Sandilands

> If I applied your thought process to Jones and ignored all the other variables in play



So you think it's a good idea to try and force an injury on someone who barely ran out last week? Or to make Darcy get overworked in the ruck and perhaps prompt an injury because Apeness gets injured or has to sit half the game on the bench? Or watch us get thumped even harder just so Apeness can rack in minutes that end up being meaningless because he couldn't even play the game properly?

We actually should of taken Bennell & North to NT last week, because who cares if they get injured again - they're apart of the future anyways and we need to visibly see the inexperience being played through AFL only.

My viewing pleasure and confirmation on my idea of a rebuild is more important than the club's future and a player's welfare.

Im not sure why you're arguing with him so vehemently, players get injured at WAFL level too. Surely continuity at AFL level is a good thing for Apeness.

 

[Deathly]

So much for being done with this conversation lol.

So you think Jones should of kept his place and Sandilands shouldn't of played? Rightio then.......

You seem to have misread this again, so I'll post it a 3rd time in response to Jones being dropped / Sandilands coming in:

> If I applied your thought process to Jones and ignored all the other variables in play

Apeness barely ran out because he was fatigued chasing the fittest ruckman in the hottest state? Well that's predictable.

His fitness problem isn't a one off isolated issue from 1 game. It's been an evident issue in his last 3. He needed to be dropped. Didn't Darcy play more ruck time than him? No need to exaggerate that excuse for him again.

But, if I am allowed to use your logic, hypothetically let's say Sean Darcy plays ok this weekend, plays even better next week in this third game, do we drop him to Peel? Do we become grateful that he played a few games and send him back to the wafl? No, we don't, because why would you possibly drop him?

The thing is that's obviously not going to happen. If Darcy plays well he stays in. He's actually had more pre-seasons than both Jones & Apeness and we know he has already proven last year compared to those 2 that he can run out more than 2-3 games of AFL football and his fitness shouldn't be an issue. Terrible comparison and bend of that logic since those decisions made by the CLUB have been based on fitness and not playing form / injuries.

You don't like it when people disagree with you do you? It seems to hit a sensitive spot, brings out a nasty side to you. Believe it or not, we are actually allowed to have different opinions.

The reality is you're just terrible at debating. All I've seen you do on here, and do now is nit pick the outside pieces of someone's argument / opinion - try hard to unnecessarily expand on them with unrelated points and then go around in a circle repackaging your words. This page is full of them by you and it's pretty messy if that's how you regularly need to cope with your skewed bias on an online forum.

 

[Deathly]

Im not sure why you're arguing with him so vehemently, players get injured at WAFL level too. Surely continuity at AFL level is a good thing for Apeness.

Yes they do, but he has more chance of being injured at AFL compared to playing football at a pace more suited to his current fitness.

My point always was that continuity at AFL or WAFL is good for Apeness considering his total matches played to date and injury history. I just don't think right now one level or the other will make any difference to his progression / development as a player. As long as he's playing football that's all that matters. Right now given his last couple of games AFL is definitely a step ahead of him which is why him being dropped doesn't really bother me.

He's not much different to Bennell.

 

[mike91]

You seem to have misread this again, so I'll post it a 3rd time in response to Jones being dropped / Sandilands coming in:

> If I applied your thought process to Jones and ignored all the other variables in play



His fitness problem isn't a one off isolated issue from 1 game. It's been an evident issue in his last 3. He needed to be dropped. Didn't Darcy play more ruck time than him? No need to exaggerate that excuse for him again.



The thing is that's obviously not going to happen. If Darcy plays well he stays in. He's actually had more pre-seasons than both Jones & Apeness and we know he has already proven last year compared to those 2 that he can run out more than 2-3 games of AFL football and his fitness shouldn't be an issue. Terrible comparison and bend of that logic since those decisions made by the CLUB have been based on fitness and not playing form / injuries.



The reality is you're just terrible at debating. All I've seen you do on here, and do now is nit pick the outside pieces of someone's argument / opinion - try hard to unnecessarily expand on them with unrelated points and then go around in a circle repackaging your words. This page is full of them by you and it's pretty messy if that's how you regularly need to cope with your skewed bias on an online forum.

Oh this stuff is hilarious!

Darcy is a number one ruckman, Apeness isn't. Apeness has had to play a main ruck role because of injures to other players, not because we want him to. Darcy rucked more because that's literally his role.

Why isn't it going to happen? It was your logic, yet you've now got an excuse for it? Darcy missed a large part of this season because of injury and it could be argued that he was rushed back into the team because of Sandilands being injured, so based on what you said, aren't we risking him getting injured by playing him at AFL level?

I'm just terrible? I mean, if you're talking about insulting people then I agree.

 

[Deathly]

Why isn't it going to happen? It was your logic, yet you've now got an excuse for it?

Actually no it wasn't. It was your logic after I said Apeness should of been dropped after his Carlton game because he looked slow. Not because of what you said first:

"You thought he's played a few games now, time to go back to Peel?"

I then applied that in defense for Jones to show how it didn't hold up for him in a specific circumstance, then you said?:

"You wanted him dropped after three games, coming off his best game"

Repackaging the same line there - but later on you then for whatever reason tried to apply it to Darcy when asking me if I would drop him after he plays a few good games. (Which was an unrelated question to another point) Comparing his form to two players who literally got dropped only because of their fitness.

See I'd elaborate on why Darcy is much fitter and less injury prone than them at AFL level for example, but you'll just nit pick a point within that and disregard everything else since that's the only way you are able to stay clinged onto this discussion. You understand that right?

Really just another example of you setting the original precedent of a discussion point - and then expanding on the counter reply with more unrelated talking points trying to be used as evidence. You tried mike91 but you're literally putting me to sleep with the tail chasing.

 

[Tbonefreo]

If bennell doesnt come good or we trade him to the hawks for a fourth rounder 2019 draft pick....

Then that trade set us off. Trading future seconds to cover the one. Hasnt fired a shot.

 

[Deathly]

If bennell doesnt come good or we trade him to the hawks for a fourth rounder 2019 draft pick....

Then that trade set us off. Trading future seconds to cover the one. Hasnt fired a shot.

Bennell is either going to be a Freo Superstar or a bust.

 

[mike91]

Actually no it wasn't. It was your logic after I said Apeness should of been dropped after his Carlton game because he looked slow. Not because of what you said first:

"You thought he's played a few games now, time to go back to Peel?"

I then applied that in defense for Jones to show how it didn't hold up for him in a specific circumstance, then you said?:

"You wanted him dropped after three games, coming off his best game"

Repackaging the same line there - but later on you then for whatever reason tried to apply it to Darcy when asking me if I would drop him after he plays a few good games. (Which was an unrelated question to another point) Comparing his form to two players who literally got dropped only because of their fitness.

See I'd elaborate on why Darcy is much fitter and less injury prone than them at AFL level for example, but you'll just nit pick a point within that and disregard everything else since that's the only way you are able to stay clinged onto this discussion. You understand that right?

Really just another example of you setting the original precedent of a discussion point - and then expanding on the counter reply with more unrelated talking points trying to be used as evidence. You tried mike91 but you're literally putting me to sleep with the tail chasing.

More unnecessary cheap shots, yay! How many is that now?

Apeness didn't look slow at all, in fact the commentators were talking up his game and Cameron Mooney was saying plenty of positive things about him. You seem to be the only person who thinks Apeness played an okay/slow game.

Your defense is Jones didn't deserve to be dropped, even though we had our greatest ruckman of all time in Aaron Sandilands ready to come back in? Ok then, I'm not really sure how that makes sense, in fact it doesn't. Who was ready to come back into the forward line for Apeness? Dixon, Tabs......no one? Jones wasn't stiff to get dropped, he played an okay game and was replaced with a legend. Apeness is stiff to get dropped and is replaced by a bloke who isn't really doing much in the WAFL. I'm not sure why you think Apeness should of been dropped against Carlton and why you're using Jones as an argument.

I don't understand that, but I do understand you constantly feel the need to take immature cheap shots at me, maybe it makes you feel like you get your point across in a dominant way? I don't know, but it doesn't actually achieve anything.

I'm putting you to sleep? I feel like this was suppose to trigger me, when in reality I rolled my eyes at this comment. You said 30 minutes you were done with this conversation and they're not even melts, yet here you are, melts and all. Go to sleep mate, your opinion of me literally means nothing.

 

[Square Peg]

Give Apeness a new contract, the kid will be on a high with this show of faith and a few serviceable games under is belt, and then drop him. I could lobotomise a moron and he'd make better decisions

 

[Deathly]

More unnecessary cheap shots, yay! How many is that now?

Apeness didn't look slow at all, in fact e commentators were talking up his game and Cameron Mooney was saying plenty of positive things about him. You seem to be the only person who thinks Apeness played an okay/slow game.

Your defense is Jones didn't deserve to be dropped, even though we had our greatest ruckman of all time in Aaron Sandilands ready to come back in? Ok then, I'm not really sure how that makes sense, in fact it doesn't. Who was ready to come back into the forward line for Apeness? Dixon, Tabs......no one? Jones wasn't stiff to get dropped, he played an okay game and was replaced with a legend. Apeness is stiff to get dropped and is replaced by a bloke who isn't really doing much in the WAFL. I'm not sure why you think Apeness should of been dropped against Carlton and why you're using Jones as an argument.

I don't understand that, but I do understand you constantly feel the need to take immature cheap shots at me, maybe it makes you feel like you get your point across in a dominant way? I don't know, but it doesn't actually achieve anything.

I'm putting you to sleep? I feel like this was suppose to trigger me, when in reality I rolled my eyes at this comment. You said 30 minutes you were done with this conversation and they're not even melts, yet here you are, melts and all. Go to sleep mate, your opinion of me literally means nothing.

Re; Apeness, that's fine by me. I don't mind admitting that he's been slow and okay for us not just in that game but all of his games so far this year. I don't think that's a knock on him either in my opinion since I have admitted before he's already exceeded my expectations this season and has legitimate reasons for that output at AFL level.

It's actually mind boggling how you still can't comprehend the Jones stuff that was originally posted by me. It was a comparitive example to logic you originally provided. Also I wasn't personally "defending" Jones' omission - the defense was applied to him just to prove a point. So there goes half your latest reply addressing something that never was.

 

[FreoRicci]

Apeness injured for Peel. Ffs stupid selection panel taking him back to the reserves. If he was sore or need fitness just manage him ffs. Ugh, seriously have such a dumb conditoning team.

 

[wild side]

Our S & C are right up with the worst in the comp.