Perth Stadium (Optus Stadium)

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lukeilllich said:
If you think this stadium is hard to get to, you need your head checked. It has a massive purpose-built train station, buses and connections to CBD parking space. Any talk of parking space near the stadium itself is extremely stupid. Only in Perth do people expect to be able to drive to a massive 40,000+ person event and park nearby. How do you expect this to happen on a Friday night? In every real city in the world people catch public transport. And yes, children are capable of walking a couple of km and catching a bus or a train. Also - Umbrellas. The only other option is building a stadium in a horrible, soulless location a million miles from the city centre with no other decent social amenities just so bogans can avoid public transport. Can you even imagine what a car park for 20,000 cars looks like? Because Waverley and Football Park worked out so well in the end... Surely the MCG and Adelaide Oval are more worthy exemplars. Catch a bloody train, take a walk, buy a raincoat, get a bite to eat, some decent coffee and a beer while your at it. Dream bigger.
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So much this. One of the reasons I moved from Perth and why I'd never move back. So many simple minded people with such narrow mindedness. Why should you be able to go from your door to your seat in a 60,000 seat stadium, 5 minutes from the middle of the CBD, without setting foot outside.

Exactly why Perth isn't the city it could or should be
 
Lyyynnnchy said:
So much this. One of the reasons I moved from Perth and why I'd never move back. So many simple minded people with such narrow mindedness. Why should you be able to go from your door to your seat in a 60,000 seat stadium, 5 minutes from the middle of the CBD, without setting foot outside.

Exactly why Perth isn't the city it could or should be
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So you took note of my car sticker "love it or leave", i just wish a lot of others did the same thing!
 
brucetiki said:
They somewhat did similar with Adelaide Oval with massive encouragement to use PT, and for the trains it worked too well, with quite a few teething problems with everyone wanting to go to/from the game by train.
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Everyone doesn't want to go by train (especially not in Adelaide where most of the city doesn't live near a train line and the trains can't really cope with that many people anyway). A shitload of people park in the city and leg it. That's the benefit of Adelaide Oval - it's close enough to the city that it uses all the transport options the city provides to CBD workers during the week.
 

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Rob said:
Everyone doesn't want to go by train (especially not in Adelaide where most of the city doesn't live near a train line and the trains can't really cope with that many people anyway). A shitload of people park in the city and leg it. That's the benefit of Adelaide Oval - it's close enough to the city that it uses all the transport options the city provides to CBD workers during the week.
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Good leg up to push for more public transport. Europe must laugh at us when we consider ourselves an advanced country with the shotty public transport connections we have.
 
lukeilllich said:
If you think this stadium is hard to get to, you need your head checked. It has a massive purpose-built train station, buses and connections to CBD parking space. Any talk of parking space near the stadium itself is extremely stupid. Only in Perth do people expect to be able to drive to a massive 40,000+ person event and park nearby. How do you expect this to happen on a Friday night? In every real city in the world people catch public transport. And yes, children are capable of walking a couple of km and catching a bus or a train. Also - Umbrellas. The only other option is building a stadium in a horrible, soulless location a million miles from the city centre with no other decent social amenities just so bogans can avoid public transport. Can you even imagine what a car park for 20,000 cars looks like? Because Waverley and Football Park worked out so well in the end... Surely the MCG and Adelaide Oval are more worthy exemplars. Catch a bloody train, take a walk, buy a raincoat, get a bite to eat, some decent coffee and a beer while your at it. Dream bigger.
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It's certainly not just Perth.

5 years ago in Adelaide we were listening to the same inane protestations about the Oval. Parking. Barbecues. The city is too busy. I'm not catching public transport, even if it is free of charge! But I like my seat. Where's the roof? It's gonna clash with the cricket for a week! Wah wah wah. There was even a petition circulating to try and keep footy in that dump at West Lakes FFS.

But guess what? After the gates opened even the loudest whingers were saying "hey this is pretty good" and when the interstate validation came through they could barely conceal their boners over it.

The same thing will happen in Perth.

Guaranteed.
 
The Joker said:
So you took note of my car sticker "love it or leave", i just wish a lot of others did the same thing!
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That's Donald Trump thinking. You should be thinking, how do we stop so many people leaving. The more people there is, the more successful the economy and the more jobs there are. Currently unemployment is sky rocketing and house prices are tumbling.
 
frenchconnection said:
You wouldn't go very well living in parts of Europe eg Switzerland. While I was there it never got over 5 degrees. Think we need to learn to adjust!
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Why? The Swiss don't. The crowds they get to their major soccer league are generally s**t, probably at least partly due to the weather.

The largest capacity stadium in Zurich is just 26k.
 
Pappagallo said:
It's certainly not just Perth.

5 years ago in Adelaide we were listening to the same inane protestations about the Oval. Parking. Barbecues. The city is too busy. I'm not catching public transport, even if it is free of charge! But I like my seat. Where's the roof? It's gonna clash with the cricket for a week! Wah wah wah. There was even a petition circulating to try and keep footy in that dump at West Lakes FFS.

But guess what? After the gates opened even the loudest whingers were saying "hey this is pretty good" and when the interstate validation came through they could barely conceal their boners over it.

The same thing will happen in Perth.

Guaranteed.
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I'm having trouble concealing it already.
 
Pappagallo said:
5 years ago in Adelaide we were listening to the same inane protestations about the Oval. Parking. Barbecues. The city is too busy. I'm not catching public transport, even if it is free of charge! But I like my seat. Where's the roof? It's gonna clash with the cricket for a week! Wah wah wah. There was even a petition circulating to try and keep footy in that dump at West Lakes FFS.
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I remember being hassled into signing the petition at a Crows game at AAMI back then. They were fighting an uphill battle then with minimal people in my area signing.
 
Rob said:
Why? The Swiss don't. The crowds they get to their major soccer league are generally s**t, probably at least partly due to the weather.

The largest capacity stadium in Zurich is just 26k.
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Switzerland has a much smaller population then any major Australian cities ffs.
 
BulldogJake said:
Switzerland has a much smaller population then any major Australian cities ffs.
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Zurich has 1.3 million people. Bigger than Adelaide. About 8 million all up in a country just over half the size of Tasmania. They all live pretty close together.

But they're clearly not big on sports attendance - and that's probably partly due to having pretty s**t weather for it. That's my point - s**t weather turns off sports crowds everywhere (with very few exceptions).
 

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Rob said:
Zurich has 1.3 million people. Bigger than Adelaide. About 8 million all up in a country just over half the size of Tasmania. They all live pretty close together.

But they're clearly not big on sports attendance - and that's probably partly due to having pretty s**t weather for it. That's my point - s**t weather turns off sports crowds everywhere (with very few exceptions).
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There's at least 4 other cities in Australia much larger then Zurich... Zurich has one side in the first division this season (Grasshoppers). Every other city currently in the top division in Switzerland has a population less than 200,000 yet the current league average attendance is 9,970 (http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/avesui.htm)
If you do it on average per capita Swiss crowds are 'probably' better then ours or close to it. Clearly the weather has no affect on their decisions. Trains are usually close to stadiums, it's not hard to take public transport, it's actually what people in the 21st century do.
 
BulldogJake said:
There's at least 4 other cities in Australia much larger then Zurich... Zurich has one side in the first division this season (Grasshoppers). Every other city currently in the top division in Switzerland has a population less than 200,000 yet the current league average attendance is 9,970 (http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/avesui.htm)
If you do it on average per capita Swiss crowds are 'probably' better then ours or close to it. Clearly the weather has no affect on their decisions. Trains are usually close to stadiums, it's not hard to take public transport, it's actually what people in the 21st century do.
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I'm just saying if all 60,000 people decide to take the train it will be a nightmare.

Even the publicity about the new station is that it will take an hour to clear 28,000 people. So if half of a near capacity crowd decide to go via the stadium station, there's a 50-50 shot that you're going to get out of it within half an hour. And I say this as someone who usually gets a train to Subi, and will most likely get the train to the new stadium, irrespective of what else is available. I'm certainly not anti train - not unless I have to wait 45 minutes on a crowded platform anyway.

Transport for a big stadium needs to be multi faceted. Importantly, you can't tell people how they want to get there. Because the end result is that they won't go. Pipedream numbers like 10,000 people on buses or 6,000 people walking half an hour to East Perth station look good on paper, but they won't get anywhere near those numbers doing those things - so how are they going to get there? I guess we'll find out in due course.

If you're really interested, have a look at the transport options available for the big stadiums in America. Transport wise, they're a lot more culturally similar to us than Europeans are.
 
Rob said:
I'm just saying if all 60,000 people decide to take the train it will be a nightmare.

Even the publicity about the new station is that it will take an hour to clear 28,000 people. So if half of a near capacity crowd decide to go via the stadium station, there's a 50-50 shot that you're going to get out of it within half an hour. And I say this as someone who usually gets a train to Subi, and will most likely get the train to the new stadium, irrespective of what else is available. I'm certainly not anti train - not unless I have to wait 45 minutes on a crowded platform anyway.

Transport for a big stadium needs to be multi faceted. Importantly, you can't tell people how they want to get there. Because the end result is that they won't go. Pipedream numbers like 10,000 people on buses or 6,000 people walking half an hour to East Perth station look good on paper, but they won't get anywhere near those numbers doing those things - so how are they going to get there? I guess we'll find out in due course.

If you're really interested, have a look at the transport options available for the big stadiums in America. Transport wise, they're a lot more culturally similar to us than Europeans are.
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Just how crown wants it.

" lets hit the casino for 45-60 min while the crowds filter out "
 
Rob said:
I'm just saying if all 60,000 people decide to take the train it will be a nightmare.

Even the publicity about the new station is that it will take an hour to clear 28,000 people. So if half of a near capacity crowd decide to go via the stadium station, there's a 50-50 shot that you're going to get out of it within half an hour. And I say this as someone who usually gets a train to Subi, and will most likely get the train to the new stadium, irrespective of what else is available. I'm certainly not anti train - not unless I have to wait 45 minutes on a crowded platform anyway.

Transport for a big stadium needs to be multi faceted. Importantly, you can't tell people how they want to get there. Because the end result is that they won't go. Pipedream numbers like 10,000 people on buses or 6,000 people walking half an hour to East Perth station look good on paper, but they won't get anywhere near those numbers doing those things - so how are they going to get there? I guess we'll find out in due course.

If you're really interested, have a look at the transport options available for the big stadiums in America. Transport wise, they're a lot more culturally similar to us than Europeans are.
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Most of the stadiums in the USA are ******* objectionable and really ******* expensive. If you think half and hour on a train platform is bad. You really have NFI. They are often just a stadium surrounded with a giant one level carpark and limited access.

getting out of the Carpark at Gillette, AT&T, Dodgers stadium, Metlife etc is hell on earth.

Lots of the car parks are further than the walk from East Perth. So its near 2km to the stadium through a carpark then 2km back. Then a wait to get out.

3hr waits aren't uncommon times to get out of the carparks.

Half hr on train platform or a bus or a bit of a walk. Oh the horror.


And in perth. With no other option they'll take the train or the bus or walk. Like they do in Melbourne and Adelaide and Brisbane. Adelaide has the footy express buses built into the ticket cost. Or you catch the train or pay for parking in the city. In Melbourne most people have to take public transit or walk from the city. They seem to survive. Same in Brisbane.


Or for US stadiums. MSG and Yankee Stadium Subway. Giants baseball in SF, take the BART or hey don't go. Chicago for the Bears. Public transit, über, taxi are the choices.

And yes. You can tell people how to get there.
 
seanoff said:
Most of the stadiums in the USA are ******* objectionable and really ******* expensive. If you think half and hour on a train platform is bad. You really have NFI. They are often just a stadium surrounded with a giant one level carpark and limited access.

getting out of the Carpark at Gillette, AT&T, Dodgers stadium, Metlife etc is hell on earth.

Lots of the car parks are further than the walk from East Perth. So its near 2km to the stadium through a carpark then 2km back. Then a wait to get out.

3hr waits aren't uncommon times to get out of the carparks.

Half hr on train platform or a bus or a bit of a walk. Oh the horror.


And in perth. With no other option they'll take the train or the bus or walk. Like they do in Melbourne and Adelaide and Brisbane. Adelaide has the footy express buses built into the ticket cost. Or you catch the train or pay for parking in the city. In Melbourne most people have to take public transit or walk from the city. They seem to survive. Same in Brisbane.


Or for US stadiums. MSG and Yankee Stadium Subway. Giants baseball in SF, take the BART or hey don't go. Chicago for the Bears. Public transit, über, taxi are the choices.

And yes. You can tell people how to get there.
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Stadiums in Philadelphia very easy to get to by train and getting out of the car park for a big baseball or football game is at least 30-45 minute wait. Train is the only option for Wrigley field in Chicago (god it reminds me of a Vic Park or Whitten Oval).
 
Rob said:
Why? The Swiss don't. The crowds they get to their major soccer league are generally s**t, probably at least partly due to the weather.

The largest capacity stadium in Zurich is just 26k.
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Uh... from I'm Basel, and almost certain St. Jakob's Park was always full(least it was the handful of times I was lucky enough to get tickets) and has a capacity of roughly 36,000? Which for a city the size that Basel is, it's quite a big deal. The soccer there has a winter break over Christmas anyway so you don't cop a faceful of the sort of weather that perhaps would make things more difficult for some.

Although I do agree with you that walks from East Perth just aren't going to happen, but buses to the bridge might get taken advantage of by those that swear by their car. We'll see, but the whole 'People just won't come', sure you could vote with your feet, but you'll be easily replaced. If the stadium is good(and that's looks quite probable) then it's going to be packed everytime.
 
seanoff said:
Most of the stadiums in the USA are ******* objectionable and really ******* expensive. If you think half and hour on a train platform is bad. You really have NFI. They are often just a stadium surrounded with a giant one level carpark and limited access.

getting out of the Carpark at Gillette, AT&T, Dodgers stadium, Metlife etc is hell on earth.

Lots of the car parks are further than the walk from East Perth. So its near 2km to the stadium through a carpark then 2km back. Then a wait to get out.

3hr waits aren't uncommon times to get out of the carparks.
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Thankyou - that's my point. You provide just one mass transport option it inevitably becomes a nightmare.

BTW, I didn't hold all American stadiums up as an example of what we should be doing, just that our transport culture is a lot closer to theirs.

Half hr on train platform or a bus or a bit of a walk. Oh the horror.


And in perth. With no other option they'll take the train or the bus or walk. Like they do in Melbourne and Adelaide and Brisbane. Adelaide has the footy express buses built into the ticket cost. Or you catch the train or pay for parking in the city. In Melbourne most people have to take public transit or walk from the city. They seem to survive. Same in Brisbane.
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Adelaide and Melbourne (both grounds) are CBD stadiums - their transport options are brilliant. Don't really know why you brought them up. Docklands in particular you can be within spitting distance either by train, tram or car, there wouldn't be many stadiums in the world easier to get to.

Brisbane (the Gabba) is a horrible place to get to. Although they're building a train station right underneath the ground, which should help immensely.

Or for US stadiums. MSG and Yankee Stadium Subway. Giants baseball in SF, take the BART or hey don't go. Chicago for the Bears. Public transit, über, taxi are the choices.

And yes. You can tell people how to get there.
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Well, you can. But they don't have to listen.
 
Rob said:
I'm just saying if all 60,000 people decide to take the train it will be a nightmare.

Even the publicity about the new station is that it will take an hour to clear 28,000 people. So if half of a near capacity crowd decide to go via the stadium station, there's a 50-50 shot that you're going to get out of it within half an hour. And I say this as someone who usually gets a train to Subi, and will most likely get the train to the new stadium, irrespective of what else is available. I'm certainly not anti train - not unless I have to wait 45 minutes on a crowded platform anyway.

Transport for a big stadium needs to be multi faceted. Importantly, you can't tell people how they want to get there. Because the end result is that they won't go. Pipedream numbers like 10,000 people on buses or 6,000 people walking half an hour to East Perth station look good on paper, but they won't get anywhere near those numbers doing those things - so how are they going to get there? I guess we'll find out in due course.

If you're really interested, have a look at the transport options available for the big stadiums in America. Transport wise, they're a lot more culturally similar to us than Europeans are.
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I never had to wait more than 20 mins to get off the sub I platform. Considering this stadium will only add another 50% to the total number of people getting a train, with the new purpose built station, I don't see it taking any longer than that.

And what has having a similar transport to the US got to do with anything? We should be trying to change that culture, not supporting it.
 
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