The new VFL Comp

[Bomber]

I dont know about you guys, but Im pretty excited about this comp. I love the old suburban footy, and cant wait to go watch games at Windy Hill, Moorabbin, Punt Rd etc again.
Does anyone know if the VFL has a website, or where I can get the fixture and info?
Thanks

 

[RoyLion]

Yeah, the new VFL comp should be great. While my priority will still be the AFL and the Brisbane Lions, I'm rapt that Fitzroy will have a presence (as the Coburg-Fitzroy Lions) and the side will be wearing the mighty FFC jumper for away games. I'll be seeing as many of their games as I can. In about a fortnight Coburg-Fitzroy apparently will have the first VFL team website up and running. (Coburg-) Fitzroy vs Essendon at Windy Hill will bring back a few memories.

 

[Power Mad]

Hey! This is the AFL forum. Take this discussion to the 'Regional Leagues' forum, cos no-one outside Victoria could care less

 

[Bomber]

just because your from an inferior state with an inferior footy league!

haha, Vic's second league is gonna be more popular than SA's main! haha

 

[Power Mad]

The SANFL accounted for the VFL pretty comfortably at the MCG last year (approx 5 goals) in typically Melbourne wintry weather.

So that was Victoria's main league - what is their second league, the TAC Cup...?

 

[Bomber]

your top league just beat our second league! well done!

As you know, the AFL is just the VFL with a couple interstate sides chucked in. The AFL is and and will always be a Victorian league.

Dont worry, at least you guys have it over the WAFL and QSFL (just). ;-)

 

[Roylion]

Geez Powermad, I thought Essendon, Collingwood, Carlton, St Kilda, Geelong, and Richmond WERE in the AFL!....and Fitzroy was until recently. They're all (apart from Fitzroy obviously) fielding their reserves in the VFL. Another four AFL clubs, Hawthorn, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne and the Kangaroos have made alliances with existing VFL clubs or the Bulldogs' case two existing VFL clubs, to field their reserve players.

Considering then that eleven senior teams in the new 18 club VFL competition are going to have three-quarters of their senior side coming from the current senior lists of 10 AFL clubs I would think that on occasions talking about the 'new' VFL is justified. That'll be roughly 140 senior list players (excluding injured players), playing in the VFL each week. If they all happened to be fit it would be up to about 170 players. A bit different to having about 35 senior list guys from the Power and the Crows spread across eight or nine clubs in the SANFL and another 35 or so spread throughout the WAFL. Look forward to the next match between the VFL and SANFL.

 

[rewind]

Bomber, I am a fellow Bomber Fan, I was there on Sat night, I came over from Adelaide just for it. In regards to the AFL being Victorian, that is bullshit, I hate the Crows and Power but I do know that the AFL is truely a national comp, that is why out of the past 3 years, 2 of them have been WON by interstae teams, and in the past 4 GF's 3 of them have had an interstate club in them.

Your comment is very stupid. But hey thats just my opinion.

 

[Power Mad]

The only football superiority Victoria has (in comparison to the other 'taditional' Aussie Rules states at least) is due to population alone.

The West Coast and Adelaide premierships and the number of non-Victorian players recruited by Victorian teams show that Victorian players are not intrinsically better than players from other states, there's just more of them.

So if you want to keep 10 teams in Victoria, get used to sharing the flags with the 'interstate' teams.

 

[Grendel]

Not intrinisaclly better???

Matthews,Ablett,lockett,Brereton,Daicos etc etc
The only two champions to come out of SA in the last 20 years have been Blight and Platten, Bradley maybe and Kernahan was THE single most overated player ever EVER!
Tasmania might have claims what with Hudson snr,Baldock and Hart with some other notables bur SA? God falls along way short,WA in the good years Buckenara,Glenddinning,Matera produced more than SA ever did.

 

[RoyLion]

Powermad, that's my point. I didn't say they were better, I said there were more of them. Therefore why on occasions can't we talk about the VFL on an AFL forum, seeing 75% of the players in senior VFL sides are on AFL lists.

 

[Bomber]

haha 10 of 16 clubs, yes 62.5%, of clubs in this 'national' competition are Victorian - doesnt sound so 'national' to me. Yes, it is increasingly getting more national, but to call it truly national is a joke. When there is a relatively even spread, then talk about it being TRULY national.
If it was a national comp, the grand final wouldnt be played in melb every year, if it was a national comp, we wouldnt call them 'interstate' teams.
Adding to this, the AFL is a renamed VFL competition, changed to help the game grow to a national level.
I think its still reasonable to call it a Victorian comp (Much more Victorian than anywhere else) - forget who wins flags - with the draft and salary cap, all clubs are basically on even ground, except for the fact that interstate clubs have a bigger share of their respective markets (cities) and therefore can gain better backing, and better, more advanced facilities.
So, IF anything, shouldnt interstate clubs do a bit better, as just about all things are equal except facilities? (and the bloody draw, but thats another issue).

 

[national comp]

Bomber as you say 62.5% of the clubs are based in Victoria. Did you know that less than half the AFL player originate from Victoria though? Its about 48% from memory of AFL players have Victorian origins.

That makes it a national competition not a Victorian one. It also means the the Victorian based clubs sponge more players from other areas of Australia than the other way around. So the Victorian clubs need the resources from other states to stay in it!

So no it bloody aint reasonable at all to try to call it a Victorian comp. No way.

 

[Power Mad]

Victoria has roughly three times the population of SA and WA, so they should have no more than 6 teams in the AFL. A 12 team AFL competition would be perfect for a 22 round season. That would give us the nearest thing possible to a level playing field. Then we would see the wheat sorted from the chaff.

Grendel - don't forget Wayne Carey, Nathan Buckley, Paul Kelly, Michael Voss, Shane Crawford, James Hird, Andrew McLeod, Michael Long, Gavin Wanganeen, and your own one time Hawk 'Fu**ing Ugly Di**head' Jarman. Or Polly Farmer, Barry Cable, Kenny Hunter, Maurice Rioli....

 

[Grendel]

Buckley was raised in Sunbury,Vic. Carey is a Nswelshman. Im talking out and out champions. Those were my criteria of all the others you mentioned only G.Farmen who my old man used to rave about qualify. Champion gets bandied around to much. Jars should have been a champ with his talent but has only truly realised the effort needed for that since he went to the crows. Salmon by the way has been a better player for the Hawks than Jarman was.Though Jars did land two flags hahaha.

Matthews was the player of the century
AND HE WAS A VICTORIAN!


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[Eagle_Fan]

Of course there's going to have been more óut and out champions' originating from Victoria- that's obvious. It was the VFL from 1896(?) until 1991. Almost all the players were from there, other than the really expectional SA or WA players eventually lured across.
The fact that a Vic was named player of the century must be a huge relief to you, because Victoria would look kinda stupid if he wasn't!

If the 10 Victorian teams were only allowed to draft Victorian players, the 2 SA teams SA players and WA's two teams WA players, I think the fact that Victoria has too many teams would be illustrated nicely. Of course it's never going to happen and shouldn't have to, but it's interesting to consider.

Could someone tell me, of the players that moved to Melbourne to play in the VFL, how many (roughly, obviously!) have stayed over there? I gather their kids would be classified as Victorian? See we can recruit via the father-son rule, the kids of West Aussies who played in the VFL (McIntosh, Cousins) and WAFL, but if their dads stayed over there, we wouldn't be able to since they'd be playing in the VFL not WAFL....
[sorry, just ignore that last bit. it makes no sense. it's late. but I know what I mean]

 

[Bomber]

national comp - if 50% (roughly) of the players in the AFL are Victorian, I think it proves even more that its still very much Victorian. Vic has what, 4 million, so that leaves another 14 million in Oz, that equates to 22% - for having 22% of the population, and having 50% represented in the AFL, proves the AFL is still heavily Victorian influenced.

Of course it is moving towards a national comp, and the AFL is doing there very best to make it as hard as possible for Victorians, but there still is a while to go before its truly national, dont worry.

 

[Pete]

Buckley lived in Sunbury for 1 year that hardly makes him a Victorian

 

[sainter]

Going back to the original topic, I share your enthusiasm Bomber and can't wait to see footy at it's grass roots level. While I went to all the suburban grounds as a youngster, I wasn't old enough to appreciate standing out in the outer.

I think we are getting the best of both worlds now. Being able to watch the footy at grounds such as Colonial Stadium and the G in this era of professionalism, then getting the opportunity to watch footy at all of the suburban grounds again.

In answering your questions, I don't think the VFL has a website and if they did I would love to know what it was. And i know that the VFL released a fixture a few months ago but it only consisted of who is playing but didn't include the dates and times. If you happen to find out can you let me know.

 

[magpiera]

i cant find a vfl site but try www.vfua.umpires.com

 

[national comp]

Bomber you are right there is still some way to go before it is truly a national competition. When we manage to reduce the number of clubs based in Victoria to just 50% of the total of clubs - then we will be starting to get there.

Why 50%? Thats around the level at which the competition and the interest in the competition is Victorian. Vic holds down about 50% of the market if you like. To get it right we need Vic to have 50% of the clubs. Eight clubs based in Victoria. Then it
would be a national competition as it should be.

 

[Pessimistic]

National comp

It's your kind of ideology based on maths which is the problem today. Until the worst couple of interstate clubs are way better than the 'worst" victorian teams (and it rotates year to year anyway) the argument doesn't stack up practically.

Even he AFL have doubts whether another new area can support an AFL club.

But back to your argument. I presume you would get rid of victorian clubs. But (under your 'mathematical' theory) you could add four more interstate clubs and make it 10 interstate and 10 victorian clubs. How about that ?

 

[Senor Skase]

Sheedy said on C7's Football Forum tonight "I think that the development of football at the grass roots level and VFL is going to have an enormous impact on how we handle the structure under the AFL in Victoria, but I think the South Australian Football League have it better, and we've got to get to that level".
So "Bomber" you can take it up with the coach. lol
Senor Skase