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[Del191229]

Disinfo unmasked.

 

[bengrina]

Where do those more informed than myself see the ukraine conflict in 1 week, 1 month, 1 year from now?

 

[Del191229]

Where do those more informed than myself see the ukraine conflict in 1 week, 1 month, 1 year from now?

No idea, only thing I'm pretty sure of is that Zelensky is going to face a Michael Collins moment pretty soon where he has to choose between romantic good guyism that risks gaining nothing, or a practical understanding of the real world where he accepts some form of win and some form of loss and is pilloried and probably killed for making the sensible decision.

 

[B4Bear]

That’s what I find strange about this war in Ukraine. If the nuclear powers can already hit each other then fighting over where bases are doesn’t make much sense.

I know it’s also about boots on the ground in close proximity, but if two nuclear powers have a hot war boots on the ground doesn’t mean much.

Maybe because this whole NATO thing was the pretext. It is simply a war of aggression, theft through conquest with perceived power increases for Russia.

All the rest is smoke and mirrors to disguise their actions.

 

[Del191229]

"This whole NATO thing" lololololololololololololololololol.

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation doesn't actually exist.

When I was in their Brussels HQ it was just a fever dream.

 

[Val Keating]

Coz of MAD nuke war between major powers will never happen.

I think it’s inevitable. Once they built them it only became a matter of which generation would suffer the consequence.

 

[Del191229]

I think it’s inevitable. Once they built them it only became a matter of which generation would suffer the consequence.

Disagree, albeit with the climate shit someone may be mad enough to try.

Almost certainly the Americans.

 

[Tectonic]

Disagree, albeit with the climate sh*t someone may be mad enough to try.

Almost certainly the Americans.

Wait till the famines start reach a critical level

 

[Val Keating]

Disagree, albeit with the climate sh*t someone may be mad enough to try.

Almost certainly the Americans.

It only takes one old nutcase that wants to take the world out with them. Like those pilots who crash their planes.

 

[Del191229]

It only takes one old nutcase that wants to take the world out with them. Like those pilots who crash their planes.

There's systems in place to prevent that though.

 

[B4Bear]

To lose a Major General is unfortunate, to lose two is just careless.

Oh dear, what a shame.

 

[Val Keating]

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To lose a Major General is unfortunate, to lose two is just careless.

Oh dear, what a shame.

They seem pretty unorganised. Interesting thread on it.

 

[Val Keating]

There's systems in place to prevent that though.

I used to think that to but I’ve read that at the end of the day it comes down to the leader.

 

[Del191229]

I used to think that to but I’ve read that at the end of the day it comes down to the leader.

Any leader that mad and unstable is getting taken out via various means by their own side first.

 

[ferball]

Hasn't there never been a successful test firing of nuclear weapons during a dummy run on either side?

IE Not one single "live drill" has ever resulted in US or USSR/Russian personel ever launching missiles when instructed to and even tho its only a drill the people in the launch silos etc didn't know they were drills. There have even been false alarms that showed US and USSR launching missiles and the people responsible for launching a retaliation strike have not done so. (Those people are heros btw.)

I'm not ure about it but its something I've heard fairly consistently over the years. Ever since that movie Wargames.

So it seems that when push comes to shove the people responsible for actually launching missiles that they know will kill tens or hundreds of millions of people will not do it. There are very few things in this world to be positive about sometimes, and to be proud of humans generally, but that is definitely one.

Lets hope it stays that way. If you believe in gods pray to them about it.

 

[ferball]

Maybe because this whole NATO thing was the pretext. It is simply a war of aggression, theft through conquest with perceived power increases for Russia.

All the rest is smoke and mirrors to disguise their actions.

If it was a pretext it was one we gave them.

In Ukraine, the US Trains an Army in the West to Fight in the East

For more than two years, some 300 American soldiers have been quietly helping train an enormous partner military in western Ukraine.

www.defenseone.com

 

[ferball]

That's from 2017 btw.

So the US/NATO has been training Ukrainian military units to seamlessly work with its military forces for 7 years before Putin invaded.

 

[Sopwiths North]

Cause it's not safe or other reasons?

Exactly, because it's not safe. When citizens attempted to leave there was firing from the Russians, despite a ceasefire having been agreed upon in order to allow evacuation. Ukrainian soldiers had to turn them all back. This has happened twice in Mariupol, and also in Kiev.

Not to mention that 4 of the 6 humanitarian corridors Russia is allowing lead straight into Russia and Belarus. Ukraine has of course rejected those.



"Efforts to set up safe passage for civilians over the weekend fell apart amid continued Russian shelling. Before Monday’s talks began, Russia announced a new plan, saying civilians would be allowed to leave Kyiv, Mariupol, Kharkiv and Sumy.

But that offer was quickly dismissed by Ukraine and others as an empty and cynical gesture, since most of the evacuation routes headed toward Russia or its ally Belarus, which has served as a launching pad for the invasion."

3rd round of peace talks wrap up as Ukrainian civilians continue to flee Russian shelling - National | Globalnews.ca

Russia announced yet another cease-fire and a handful of humanitarian corridors to allow civilians to flee Ukraine starting Monday, but previous such measures have fallen apart.

globalnews.ca

 

[Del191229]

Translation - the Joint Chiefs told us what's really happening and what RuAF would do to us if we tried a NFZ.

 

[B4Bear]

That's from 2017 btw.

So the US/NATO has been training Ukrainian military units to seamlessly work with its military forces for 7 years before Putin invaded.

And yet here we are, a war was launched by Russia on a false pretext. NATO has never threatened Russia, no matter how much propaganda Russia produce to say otherwise.

Oh, and for where we are atm they are getting their arses handed to them. Were it not for the long range fires (artillery) that they are using to kill civilians they would have lost more than two generals.

 

[ferball]

And yet here we are, a war was launched by Russia on a false pretext. NATO has never threatened Russia, no matter how much propaganda Russia produce to say otherwise.

Oh, and for where we are atm they are getting their arses handed to them. Were it not for the long range fires (artillery) that they are using to kill civilians they would have lost more than two generals.

Its reports like these that were the pretexts for Russia's invasion. So they aren't false. In the same way that the fact Ukraine has far right militia's integrated into its military forces and has known neo nazis like Yakosh involved with high levels of military command and also providing government advice also isn't false.

It's actually happening and has been for nearly a decade.

 

[ferball]

The World Bank has committed $7.9bn to help develop Ukraine's economy since the 2014 revolution. That money has helped the country institute wide-ranging economic reforms including privatisations in the energy and banking sectors, as well as efforts to make its farmland more productive.

Ukraine war is economic catastrophe, warns World Bank

The war will cut growth and push up living costs globally, the World Bank tells the BBC.

www.bbc.com

Breakthrough in Ukraine’s land privatization saga

KYIV – On March 30 and 31, the Ukrainian Parliament finally delivered on two crucial issues set as preconditions by the International Monetary Fund in order for the country to receive financial support of up to $8 billion to help offset the effects of the coronavirus pandemic and its devastating...

www.ukrweekly.com

How did 5 million hectares disappear? Secret land privatisation in Ukraine

On 6 November, Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal, announced during the presentation of the results of the economic audit of Ukraine that 5 million hectares of agricultural land had disappeared from state ownership. He thus confirmed the words of the head of the State Service of Ukraine for Geodesy...

www.osw.waw.pl

Who Really Benefits from the Creation of a Land Market in Ukraine?

Imposing the creation of a land market in Ukraine will further concentrate control of land in the hands of oligarchs and large agribusinesses, while favoring the interests of foreign investors and banks.

www.oaklandinstitute.org

 

[B4Bear]

Its reports like these that were the pretexts for Russia's invasion. So they aren't false. In the same way that the fact Ukraine has far right militia's integrated into its military forces and has known neo nazis like Yakosh involved with high levels of military command and also providing government advice also isn't false.

It's actually happening and has been for nearly a decade.

I thought the pretext was energy?


Or are you saying that Ukraine was going to attack Russia?

And wtf is Russia going to do if Finland AND Sweden decide that NATO is in their best interest? What will the justification be for either attacking (bad old NATO), or not attacking (as the cowardly pieces of shit won't)?

Pretexts is all you have left. Energy, Nazis running the country and NATO. Each has been shown to be a lie multiple times. Yet here we are thousands dead and a country in ruins, for what?

What has been achieved here? The physical destruction of one country, and the economic destruction of another.

 

[Del191229]

And yet here we are, a war was launched by Russia on a false pretext. NATO has never threatened Russia, no matter how much propaganda Russia produce to say otherwise.

Oh, and for where we are atm they are getting their arses handed to them. Were it not for the long range fires (artillery) that they are using to kill civilians they would have lost more than two generals.

NATO literally exists to threaten Russia.

That's its whole purpose.

The polite way is to say "acts a deterrent".

In the real world, that's a threat.

 

[Del191229]

Someone watched Red Dawn too many times.