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May as well put this here, but one could say this with Geelong since 1970, the first year of 22-game seasons aside from the shortened 1993 and 2020 seasons. Geelong reached 15 H & A wins in 1980, 1981, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1995 and 1997. Then 2004 under Bomber, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and under Scott 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021 and now 2022.
I guess one can say that three Flags with this record could be unders to a degree, but gee as fans we should be pretty pleased with what we get served up by Geelong. Not too many fans from other sides would give this away. So 21 seasons out of the last 43 it's better than a 2-1 win ratio, and 13 seasons in the last 16. And the only player still on the list having any significant role from '07 till now is Selwood, (Hawkins played a handful of H & A games in '07) so basically an entire list regeneration. Bottoming out is for loser clubs!
I guess one can say that three Flags with this record could be unders to a degree, but gee as fans we should be pretty pleased with what we get served up by Geelong. Not too many fans from other sides would give this away. So 21 seasons out of the last 43 it's better than a 2-1 win ratio, and 13 seasons in the last 16. And the only player still on the list having any significant role from '07 till now is Selwood, (Hawkins played a handful of H & A games in '07) so basically an entire list regeneration. Bottoming out is for loser clubs!
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Surely our sole nomination is a lock
Brisbane: Keidean Coleman (def), Cam Rayner (fwd/mid)
Carlton: Adam Cerra (mid/wing), Sam Walsh (mid)
Collingwood: Isaac Quaynor, Nathan Murphy, Nick Daicos (all defs), Jack Ginnivan (fwd)
Essendon: Nic Martin (fwd)
Fremantle: Hayden Young, Jordan Clark (defs), Andrew Brayshaw, Caleb Serong (mids), Michael Frederick (fwd)
Geelong: Sam De Koning (def)
Gold Coast: Matt Rowell, Noah Anderson (mids), Izak Rankine (fwd)
GWS: Tom Green (mid)
Hawthorn: Jai Newcombe (mid)
Melbourne: Harrison Petty (def), James Jordon (mid/wing), Kysaiah Pickett (fwd), Luke Jackson (ruck)
North Melbourne: Bailey Scott (def)
Port Adelaide: Connor Rozee, Zak Butters (both mid/fwds)
Richmond: Noah Balta (ruck)
St Kilda: Max King (fwd)
Sydney: Nick Blakey, Tom McCartin (defs), Chad Warner, James Rowbottom (mids), Justin McInerney (mid/wing), Errol Gulden (fwd/mid)
West Coast: Nil
Western Bulldogs: Bailey Smith (mid), Aaron Naughton, Cody Weightman (fwds)
2022 AFLPA 22Under22 Squad
Adelaide: Sam Berry (mid), Darcy Fogarty (fwd)Brisbane: Keidean Coleman (def), Cam Rayner (fwd/mid)
Carlton: Adam Cerra (mid/wing), Sam Walsh (mid)
Collingwood: Isaac Quaynor, Nathan Murphy, Nick Daicos (all defs), Jack Ginnivan (fwd)
Essendon: Nic Martin (fwd)
Fremantle: Hayden Young, Jordan Clark (defs), Andrew Brayshaw, Caleb Serong (mids), Michael Frederick (fwd)
Geelong: Sam De Koning (def)
Gold Coast: Matt Rowell, Noah Anderson (mids), Izak Rankine (fwd)
GWS: Tom Green (mid)
Hawthorn: Jai Newcombe (mid)
Melbourne: Harrison Petty (def), James Jordon (mid/wing), Kysaiah Pickett (fwd), Luke Jackson (ruck)
North Melbourne: Bailey Scott (def)
Port Adelaide: Connor Rozee, Zak Butters (both mid/fwds)
Richmond: Noah Balta (ruck)
St Kilda: Max King (fwd)
Sydney: Nick Blakey, Tom McCartin (defs), Chad Warner, James Rowbottom (mids), Justin McInerney (mid/wing), Errol Gulden (fwd/mid)
West Coast: Nil
Western Bulldogs: Bailey Smith (mid), Aaron Naughton, Cody Weightman (fwds)
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I was thinking yesterday about how there has been no Grand Final decided by a kick after the siren. Which lead me to ponder, Is the 2009 Grand Final the only one in history where there has even been a goal kicked after the siren?
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Not to decide the match obviously, but Tom McDonald 2021 did it
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Look out later when the Tigers have flogged the Hawks then!
Their supporters will be out n about, full of chirp I reckon.........
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I get really sick of the disrespect that Geelong gets from fox footy, Just sat through couch and have switched off 360 because the Cats are just ignored.
Two games clear on top of the ladder just wrapped up the minor premiership and we get completely ignored by the media.
I reckon we could win the flag and the biggest story they would run with is some bullshit about Gold Coast sacking Dew or something, just shits me.
Two games clear on top of the ladder just wrapped up the minor premiership and we get completely ignored by the media.
I reckon we could win the flag and the biggest story they would run with is some bullshit about Gold Coast sacking Dew or something, just shits me.
To be fair, 3 - 4 weeks ago all they were talking about was us.
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Trip down memory lane, anyone? 
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I was just thinking about how our mids have less game-time than other mids and we rotate a deeper midfield to create great burst play.
It's just really interesting coaching and analysis to change this up to what other teams are doing as standard.
Surely one of the unheralded architects of this has to be our new football analyst Jason Lappin?
We discuss and analyse coaching and players on here a fair bit, but we never really consider the true depth of what goes on within tactics and coaching.
This includes opposition analysis and identifying trends to follow and counter, then finding the right players to fill the spots and training them to do the right things within the game.
We see dominant rucks come up against Stanley and Blicavs, yet we win the clearances... there would be significant analysis and training about players like Gawn and their hit-zones, players like Oliver and their patterns within stoppages. And for any team to do well, they actually have to have regular patterns so that they are predictable to each other. Gawn may have 5 different things he does exceptionally well and he relies on Oliver/Petracca or Viney to be in certain positions to make that happen. Gawn would need to be facing a certain way for some of these 5 taps to occur. Likewise, Oliver needs to be in a certain spot, running a certain way for this to become a clearance in their favour. So you can predict it pretty well.
And when you look at a player like Oliver, who I've read is a running machine who needs very little rest in a quarter, there would be patterns/tells on when he is getting towards needing a rest. In turn a good tactical team can exploit these behaviours - for example, for the majority of Oliver's time on ground before rest, when he is feeling good and running hard, you'd put Atkins or Blicavs (one an elite tackler, the other elite with pressure acts) on him, purely to disrupt him and get in his way as he runs to one of Gawns hit-zones. Then when Oliver is reaching 90-95% of his average time on ground before rest, that's when you'd rotate a fresh Dangerfield or Guthrie on him to attack hard and take the clearance away.
While all this is happening, the opposition team are doing the same thing to us.
For supporters, we just see free-flowing action, but really, it's alot of set pieces that are thought out to the nth degree.
Would love to hear opinions on this or even insight if anyone else has it.
It's just really interesting coaching and analysis to change this up to what other teams are doing as standard.
Surely one of the unheralded architects of this has to be our new football analyst Jason Lappin?
We discuss and analyse coaching and players on here a fair bit, but we never really consider the true depth of what goes on within tactics and coaching.
This includes opposition analysis and identifying trends to follow and counter, then finding the right players to fill the spots and training them to do the right things within the game.
We see dominant rucks come up against Stanley and Blicavs, yet we win the clearances... there would be significant analysis and training about players like Gawn and their hit-zones, players like Oliver and their patterns within stoppages. And for any team to do well, they actually have to have regular patterns so that they are predictable to each other. Gawn may have 5 different things he does exceptionally well and he relies on Oliver/Petracca or Viney to be in certain positions to make that happen. Gawn would need to be facing a certain way for some of these 5 taps to occur. Likewise, Oliver needs to be in a certain spot, running a certain way for this to become a clearance in their favour. So you can predict it pretty well.
And when you look at a player like Oliver, who I've read is a running machine who needs very little rest in a quarter, there would be patterns/tells on when he is getting towards needing a rest. In turn a good tactical team can exploit these behaviours - for example, for the majority of Oliver's time on ground before rest, when he is feeling good and running hard, you'd put Atkins or Blicavs (one an elite tackler, the other elite with pressure acts) on him, purely to disrupt him and get in his way as he runs to one of Gawns hit-zones. Then when Oliver is reaching 90-95% of his average time on ground before rest, that's when you'd rotate a fresh Dangerfield or Guthrie on him to attack hard and take the clearance away.
While all this is happening, the opposition team are doing the same thing to us.
For supporters, we just see free-flowing action, but really, it's alot of set pieces that are thought out to the nth degree.
Would love to hear opinions on this or even insight if anyone else has it.
The data side of things probably does require a thread of it's own. The whole trend of sport data analysis really started around 1994. The Qld Shield Team used an app written by the brother of one of the coaches who happened to be a mathematician who worked in IT to analyse the strengths and weaknesses of both their players and the opposition. That year they won their first Sheffield Shield. That app was then adapted for AFL and Champion Data used it prior to writing their own version. The likes of Damian Drum had a lot of input into what was captured and the amount of data collected was exponentially greater than the old days of manual recording. Once video was linked to each stat it became more powerful again.
I'm guessing that with all the video today you could create data sets of player movement and then tools like Splunk are very good at finding patterns or pattern matching. The hard part would be creating the data sets tracking movement and actions. The tools to do the analysis would do the work from there.
I'm guessing that with all the video today you could create data sets of player movement and then tools like Splunk are very good at finding patterns or pattern matching. The hard part would be creating the data sets tracking movement and actions. The tools to do the analysis would do the work from there.
