The off topic thread #2

[SM]

I agree with you on Hinch. I don't agree with you on Assange, he has released information that has compromised military operations. There was no need to release the list of banned football fans when none had been convicted of a crime, some of whom were minors and some of whom were completely innocent (one bloke was overseas when he was banned and it turned out to be a case of mistaken identification). As for Pedos I'm all for revealing them so parents can know that their children can be safe.

Sums it up.

 

[Zidane98]

Do you have any sympathy for victims of crimes? As a big lefty you probably have more sympathy for the crim's - which your posts indicate.

Nobody was convicted of a crime on the ban list.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Unfortunately mistakes happen - you can only try to limit them and put things right afterwards. What mustn't be compromised though is societies well being as a whole - and that's probably what this woman thought she was doing publishing this list. You have to protect the victims of crime and not be a wishy-washy liberal about it by placing barriers that will only benefit the crim's

 

[peternorth]

 

[Latro]

I have no idea how to respond to any of that post, especially the accusation that I'm in any way a lefty. I think if you said that to anyone I know they would burst out laughing.

Again we're talking specifically about this list of people who have been released, which you've already admitted you have little idea about.

You are considered left to someone from the alt right. But so is Reagan.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

By focussing on the rights of anyone caught up in criminal activity, then yes SM is showing his political allegiance. An old trick of the left and right is also to claim themselves as the centre - which it seems Latro is attempting to do

 

[Zidane98]

Unfortunately mistakes happen - you can only try to limit them and put things right afterwards. What mustn't be compromised though is societies well being as a whole - and that's probably what this woman thought she was doing publishing this list. You have to protect the victims of crime and not be a wishy-washy liberal about it by placing barriers that will only benefit the crim's

What victims of crime? Once again nobody on that list was convicted of a crime. If you've been banned from your local boozer for having a few too many a few too many times how would you feel if your name was all over the news for it?

 

[WealstoneRaider]

What victims of crime? Once again nobody on that list was convicted of a crime. If you've been banned from your local boozer for having a few too many a few too many times how would you feel if your name was all over the news for it?

"A few too many". You don't just get banned from pubs for having a few too many. That's probably sugar-coating it to the extreme.

Anyway, I'm not arguing that it was right to publish the list. I'm just seeing the other side, and how it's important to not lose focus by being too sensitive to the rights of those who do wrong - no matter to what extent. I'm no angel right, but I've never been convicted of any crime or been in any trouble with the law. So when people are on some list or whatever, I would say 99/100 there is a good reason for that

 

[Buckleys Jocks]

Look, I'll fully admit my view is more broad than this issue. She may very well have disclosed people not culpable or as culpable or a minor. I still applaud her endeavour to buck the system even if wrong.

Fair enough and I get where you're coming from now that you've clarified it but Wilson wasn't like that. She had an agenda against A League fans that started well before the discovery of the ban list and she's been writing negative articles about the A League since day one. For example she gloated about the "humiliation" of Adelaide losing the ACL final in 2008 and used the result to suggest that the code as a whole has no future in this country.

She has a long history of criticizing the game and genuinely had an agenda against the growth of football in this country that would often see her go out of her way to slander fans and tar us all with the same brush. Eventually fans started giving it back by making chants about her alleged drink driving issues and making banners and protest signs featuring her name or image and things just deteriorated from there. She wasn't a whistle blower out to make a difference, she just didn't like the game and didn't like the way fans responded to her constantly slagging it off.

 

[SM]

Give it an hour or so and WR will admit he's just playing devil's advocate to generate discussion. It's getting predictable.

No one was convicted of a crime, and it's been well documented on this side of the globe that a number of these people were wrongfully banned for incredibly minor - if any - offences. As WC has already mentioned, one of the guys wasn't even in the country at the time.

I'm not really sure how expressing disappointment that the names of minors and others were publicised unlawfully is in some way protecting criminals - when the very publishing of the list was unlawful!

 

[SM]

This guy was 16 FFS and he lost his job over it:

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arti...an-speaks-out-after-ffa-ban-costs-him-his-job

This guy was banned for swearing as part of a chant:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-...-looking-forward-to-clearing-his-name/7018758

Others were banned for streaking, or stepping foot on the stadium.

 

[Zidane98]

I don't see how publishing a trouble makers list can be of benefit. Nobody is guilty of a crime on it - there's minors on it and quite a few on the banned list were absolutely innocent. Nobody deserves their name smeared all over the media when there is a reasonable chance of them being innocent.

Different if you're releasing a list of convincted criminals because they have had a chance to prove themselves innocent in a court of law.

 

[Quivorir]

So it appears I should cancel my membership

 

[WealstoneRaider]

This guy was 16 FFS and he lost his job over it:

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arti...an-speaks-out-after-ffa-ban-costs-him-his-job

This guy was banned for swearing as part of a chant:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-...-looking-forward-to-clearing-his-name/7018758

Others were banned for streaking, or stepping foot on the stadium.

16 is not old for being a football hooligan. Having read the report, seems like he was involved in a terrace punch-up. You'd get a life ban for that over here too

 

[SM]

16 is not old for being a football hooligan. Having read the report, seems like he was involved in a terrace punch-up. You'd get a life ban for that over here too

You get a lifetime ban for throwing a punch at the football? Geeze West Ham must have lost half their supporter base by now.

And for the record he wasn't allowed to present a case, and was presumed guilty.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I don't see how publishing a trouble makers list can be of benefit. Nobody is guilty of a crime on it - there's minors on it and quite a few on the banned list were absolutely innocent. Nobody deserves their name smeared all over the media when there is a reasonable chance of them being innocent.

Different if you're releasing a list of convincted criminals because they have had a chance to prove themselves innocent in a court of law.

I suppose the thinking was nip it in the bud, and hopefully it won't become a big issue like it has in other parts of the world?

 

[WealstoneRaider]

You get a lifetime ban for throwing a punch at the football? Geeze West Ham must have lost half their supporter base by now.

And for the record he wasn't allowed to present a case, and was presumed guilty.

He was caught on cctv throwing a punch at a supporter. Pretty conclusive.

Over here yes you'd almost certainly be banned for life for throwing a punch. If it was in self-defence maybe not

 

[SM]

I suppose the thinking was nip it in the bud, and hopefully it won't become a big issue like it has in other parts of the world?

Why are you being so lefty and supporting the rights of someone who did something unlawful?

 

[jd2010]

Really hope the WSW don't do anything stupid this week after this. Not holding my breath

 

[SM]

He was caught in cctv throwing a punch at a supporter. Pretty conclusive.

Over here yes you'd almost certainly be banned for life for throwing a punch. If it was in self-defence maybe not

Do you know if it was in self-defence? You seem to be happy to assume guilt as well.

 

[SM]

Really hope the WSW don't do anything stupid this week after this. Not holding my breath

There'll 100% be a chant which will be disgraceful.

 

[jd2010]

There'll 100% be a chant which will be disgraceful.

Which in my eyes is taking them to a level that is far worse than publishing a list of names. The a league fans as a whole are mild and well mannered. Shame the one side who isn't so mild has a % of fans that are completely what is wrong with society. Any % is too high so even if it is 5% who partake it's 5 too many!

 

[Zidane98]

There'll 100% be a chant which will be disgraceful.

Unfortunately that's likely to occur as disgraceful as it is. There's nothing that can really be done about it either apart from warn the RBB not to do it.

 

[jd2010]

Unfortunately that's likely to occur as disgraceful as it is. There's nothing that can really be done about it either apart from warn the RBB not to do it.

In the uk they tried banning or kicking out fans who chanted yid. Pretty sure Australia is a bit softer and security would be able to turf them out

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Why are you being so lefty and supporting the rights of someone who did something unlawful?

So are you denying you are a lefty then? You display every single characteristic of being one so I am surprised. I'm even more surprised that you aren't proud enough to admit it