The off topic thread #2

[SM]

They campaign on immigration reform but it never happens, because I suppose the need for cheap, foreign labour trumps all.

The other point is a ridiculous one and something the left often trot out. Not even worth addressing because we live in the here and now. What I will say though is there are plenty of countries around the world that have barely no white migration to them.

Lol so only recent immigration bothers you? African-Americans have been in America for generations, so why does their immigration bother you but white immigration doesn't?

 

[SM]

Because the majority should win. It's no different to over here - if you vote for your local labor/liberal candidate and they lose, the vote counts for nothing essentially.

If the majority should win why did Clinton lose?

 

[elhadjihenry]

Because the majority should win. It's no different to over here - if you vote for your local labor/liberal candidate and they lose, the vote counts for nothing essentially.

Yeah not saying I agree with the system in Oz either, but in the US they cast a direct vote for the president and that vote counts for nothing if it isn't in the majority in that state. If people are asked to vote for the presidential candidate directly then those votes should all be counted and that overall popular vote should impact who becomes president.

It's a different system to Australia as the president isn't elected based on how many local members win their seats which is designed to ensure that the PM has a majority in the cabinets, in which case it makes sense that the party who wins more seats then has the PM. If the voting system is voted on to directly elect the president, then all the votes should count and the popular vote should decide it IMO.

 

[SM]

WR is trolling like crazy in here. No way he believes the shit he is posting atm.

If there is a God, Trump will be in jail by the end of the month.

Of course he's trolling, he'll come out and say he was just playing Devil's Advocate any minute now.

Any minute now..

 

[FAITH]

classy conference by both trump and obama

 

[SM]

Yeah not saying I agree with the system in Oz either, but in the US they cast a direct vote for the president and that vote counts for nothing if it isn't in the majority in that state. If people are asked to vote for the presidential candidate directly then those votes should all be counted and that overall popular vote should impact who becomes president.

It's a different system to Australia as the president isn't elected based on how many local members win their seats which is designed to ensure that the PM has a majority in the cabinets, in which case it makes sense that the party who wins more seats then has the PM. If the voting system is voted on to directly elect the president, then all the votes should count and the popular vote should decide it IMO.

Maine has just passed preferential voting reform, which means they're no longer first past the post. They're also one of only two states to have proportional allocation with their electoral college votes.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

WR is trolling like crazy in here. No way he believes the shit he is posting atm.

If there is a God, Trump will be in jail by the end of the month.

Well I'm taking a more extreme stance because who I'm dealing with here. They can't see the overall picture, so you have to show them it.

I wouldn't want a mono-culture for the record. But I understand the fears people have. The best scenario for me is for immigrants to embrace the culture they come to, but add to it with their own customs. That's something that can happen when immigration is managed, but you must know that uncontrolled numbers do not allow for that

 

[SM]

Well I'm taking a more extreme stance because who I'm dealing with here. They can't see the overall picture, so you have to show them it.

I wouldn't want a mono-culture for the record. But I understand the fears people have. The best scenario for me is for immigrants to embrace the culture they come to, but add to it with their own customs. That's something that can happen when immigration is managed, but you must know that uncontrolled numbers do not allow for that

Who here has advocated for uncontrolled immigration? You shot that accusation at me yesterday and it was as unfounded then as it is now.

 

[elhadjihenry]

Well I'm taking a more extreme stance because who I'm dealing with here. They can't see the overall picture, so you have to show them it.

I wouldn't want a mono-culture for the record. But I understand the fears people have. The best scenario for me is for immigrants to embrace the culture they come to, but add to it with their own customs. That's something that can happen when immigration is managed, but you must know that uncontrolled numbers do not allow for that

I like how you claim to be seeing the overall picture, but have repeatedly ignored my posts describing hundreds of hate crimes against minorities inspired by Trump's election and continue to blast SM for not explaining the one instance of minority on white violence you could find. The only one with their head in the sand here is you buddy.

 

[Jatz]

If the majority should win why did Clinton lose?

I was talking electorate, not popular vote.

I like their system for that.

I guarantee very few would have a problem with it if the roles were reversed.

Everyone loves democracy until it doesn't go their way.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Stop taking photos while driving WR.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Zimbabwe?

What about Zimbabwe? That's where the white farmers have had their land forcibly taken isn't it - and often being slaughtered in the process. Imagine if we did the same in Newham

 

[Jatz]

Yeah not saying I agree with the system in Oz either, but in the US they cast a direct vote for the president and that vote counts for nothing if it isn't in the majority in that state. If people are asked to vote for the presidential candidate directly then those votes should all be counted and that overall popular vote should impact who becomes president.

It's a different system to Australia as the president isn't elected based on how many local members win their seats which is designed to ensure that the PM has a majority in the cabinets, in which case it makes sense that the party who wins more seats then has the PM. If the voting system is voted on to directly elect the president, then all the votes should count and the popular vote should decide it IMO.

Yeah I hear you.

I respectfully disagree but I hear you.

I think the popular vote should only be relevant if voting is compulsory over there.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Stop taking photos while driving WR.

Lame Bojan, don't degrade yourself you're a better man than that

 

[SM]

I was talking electorate, not popular vote.

I like their system for that.

I guarantee very few would have a problem with it if the roles were reversed.

Everyone loves democracy until it doesn't go their way.

Really? If Trump had won the popular vote and lost the election he had already promised to challenge the result.

 

[Jatz]

Really? If Trump had won the popular vote and lost the election he had already promised to challenge the result.

I don't mean the leaders, I mean the population. The Dems would be fine if they'd won but lost the popular vote. Because they didn't, it becomes a problem.

Which is fine btw. These types of things should be questioned regularly.

 

[Cooldude]

Are asians still fine though? Do they hate asians?

I have never in my life been a target of genuine racial hate and I love Melbourne and Australia for this, but I'm seeing posters of Trump plastered all around the walls of Flinders street station when I walk there now, and it frightens me to no end

 

[SM]

I don't mean the leaders, I mean the population. The Dems would be fine if they'd won but lost the popular vote. Because they didn't, it becomes a problem.

Which is fine btw. These types of things should be questioned regularly.

Well of course, what's your point?

If the Republicans had lost the election but won the popular vote they would have also criticised it. Hell, Trump criticised it in 2012 and Obama didn't even lose the popular vote.

 

[elhadjihenry]

Yeah I hear you.

I respectfully disagree but I hear you.

I think the popular vote should only be relevant if voting is compulsory over there.

Yeah I agree that the fact voting isn't compulsory throws a spanner in the works, only 53% of eligible voters turning out means that the election (regardless of the system) isn't an accurate depiction of the population's will. Can only blame the American people themselves for that.

 

[Jatz]

Well of course, what's your point?

If the Republicans had lost the election but won the popular vote they would have also criticised it. Hell, Trump criticised it in 2012 and Obama didn't even lose the popular vote.

That I like the current system and the only reason there are complaints about it was because they won the PV but lost the election

I mentioned it in a comment above but I only like the idea of PV deciding if voting is compulsory.

 

[Jatz]

Yeah I agree that the fact voting isn't compulsory throws a spanner in the works, only 53% of eligible voters turning out means that the election (regardless of the system) isn't an accurate depiction of the population's will. Can only blame the American people themselves for that.

Yeah agreed. Only themselves to blame, it just makes it hard to come up with a better system imo.

 

[elhadjihenry]

Are asians still fine though? Do they hate asians?

I have never in my life been a target of genuine racial hate and I love Melbourne and Australia for this, but I'm seeing posters of Trump plastered all around the walls of Flinders street station when I walk there now, and it frightens me to no end

That twitter feed I posted cited multiple cases of racial abuse against Asian-Americans, can't see that happening in Melbourne as we are a far more accepting population and the minority of people who are putting up those posters would be too cowardly to actually share their views in person, let alone commit the kind of hate crimes we are seeing in the US.

 

[Cooldude]

Electoral college should not be winner take all, EV should be proportionate distributed based on population distribution around a state

 

[elhadjihenry]

Well of course, what's your point?

If the Republicans had lost the election but won the popular vote they would have also criticised it. Hell, Trump criticised it in 2012 and Obama didn't even lose the popular vote.

That Trump twitter tirade after he wrongly thought Romney had won the popular vote was one of the funnier things I've seen in the aftermath of the election. His hypocrisy is astounding.

 

[Cooldude]

That twitter feed I posted cited multiple cases of racial abuse against Asian-Americans, can't see that happening in Melbourne as we are a far more accepting population and the minority of people who are putting up those posters would be too cowardly to actually share their views in person, let alone commit the kind of hate crimes we are seeing in the US.

It's the fact that I even have to think about potential racism against my kind that has me worried, it has never once crossed my mind growing up in Australia and going to white schools. The world is ****ed right now

Ah well maybe the Chinese Communists aren't so bad atm, serious toss up between them and Trump right now