The off topic thread 4.0

[jd2010]

All this latte chat has given me flashbacks to cruffy’s bucks party

 

[Fwoy]

This is apparently the shooter in the Netherlands. 37 year old Turkish man.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Look at the hatred in his eyes. Scary to think how many more out there there’s going to be.

 

[jd2010]

Scary thing is he doesn’t look like he has hatred in his eyes at all compared to the nutter Tarrant

 

[WealstoneRaider]

That’s hatred in his eyes. Not as expressive as Tarrant’s anger filled eyes but it’s hatred all the same. You can see contempt and a disconnect with what’s going on around him

 

[jd2010]

Unlike the millions of engaged commuters on public transport around the world.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

What point are you trying to make JD?

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Voice of reason. My boy nails it again. He get it so spot on with the left

 

[SM]

I'll have to get a hold on my rage and hatred on the train this morning, looks just like me when I haven't had my coffee.

 

[Zidane98]

All this latte chat has given me flashbacks to cruffy’s bucks party

Soy Lattes all round with organically growing coffee beans accompanied by Byron Bay cookies?

 

[Fwoy]

So he killed a family member then just shot anyone who got in the way...wow

 

[SM]

So he killed a family member then just shot anyone who got in the way...wow

Genuinely doesn't sound like terrorism then in the sense it seems to have had other motivations.

Did he have a manifesto?

 

[Fwoy]

Genuinely doesn't sound like terrorism then in the sense it seems to have had other motivations.

Did he have a manifesto?

Nah but the paper was still referring to terrorist motives. Weird one.

The Turkish intelligence agency are investigating whether the attack was personally motivated or an act of terrorism, President Tayyip Erdogan said in a televised interview.

 

[Fwoy]

Also, latest reports say they won’t charge the Aussie fella as a terrorist, because they will get longer sentences with non-parole for standard murder charges.how does that work?

 

[RPCB]

Melbourne’s The Age newspaper the day after the Christchurch shooting. A bit unfair to say the media haven’t called it terrorism just because Tarrant is white.

Googles definition of the word terrorist “a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”

Take everything before “in the pursuit of political aims” out and what occurred on the tram in Holland is considered terrorism.

 

[Loonerty]

Also, latest reports say they won’t charge the Aussie fella as a terrorist, because they will get longer sentences with non-parole for standard murder charges.how does that work?

Why can't they hit him with terrorism charges as well as 50 counts of murder?

Melbourne’s The Age newspaper the day after the Christchurch shooting. A bit unfair to say the media haven’t called it terrorism just because Tarrant is white.

Googles definition of the word terrorist “a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”

Take everything before “in the pursuit of political aims” out and what occurred on the tram in Holland is considered terrorism.

If you remove the "in pursuit of political aims" it could also describe a glassing at a pub.

 

[jd2010]

Also, latest reports say they won’t charge the Aussie fella as a terrorist, because they will get longer sentences with non-parole for standard murder charges.how does that work?

Possibly a flaw in Nz laws with them not thinking this could happen over there to consider this flaw in logic

 

[RPCB]

Why can't they hit him with terrorism charges as well as 50 counts of murder?

If you remove the "in pursuit of political aims" it could also describe a glassing at a pub.

But we’re talking about a shooting. You can’t compare a shooting in a tram to a glassing in a pub.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

It’s terrorism for sure, no getting away from that. Maybe the media don’t want to label it as such because it gives a “cause” to this mans actions - it doesn’t legitamise it but giving something an umbrella term creates some kind of entity. That’s the way we might be heading though. Personally I don’t think we’ll see copycat white national terrorism on this scale in the near future but it’s not something you can rule out completely

 

[WealstoneRaider]

But we’re talking about a shooting. You can’t compare a shooting in a tram to a glassing in a pub.

That’s the sort of logic the left use mate

 

[Fwoy]

Why can't they hit him with terrorism charges as well as 50 counts of murder?

If you remove the "in pursuit of political aims" it could also describe a glassing at a pub.

Possibly a flaw in Nz laws with them not thinking this could happen over there to consider this flaw in logic

Not sure. Reading more into it, it appears the terrorist charges would drag it out, and they don’t want to provide him with a soapbox. I don’t know why it would do so. Perhaps a more law minded person could shed light...

 

[Loonerty]

But we’re talking about a shooting. You can’t compare a shooting in a tram to a glassing in a pub.

Fair point, and I agree that it should be considered terrorism regardless of the aim. But it might not get labelled as such if there wasn't a political motive purely because terrorism is defined to be for political reasons.

 

[Fwoy]

Surely religious reasons fall under the same umbrella...

 

[RPCB]

That’s the sort of logic the left use mate

Yeah, I have never heard the word terrorism used for a pub brawl. It’s always been “brawl” or “pub fight”. Which is correct. Anything with guns or knifes against the public is terrorism (it’s even apart of the word “terror”).

 

[Loonerty]

Surely religious reasons fall under the same umbrella...

I think they're implicitly political.