The off topic thread 6.0

[Bradesmaen]

I'll say again, I don't drive 230km in a day, ever. The furthest we drive is to the central coast, a whole 65km away. Even if we did that as a round trip in a day and didn't charge while up there that's still 100km less.

Cool. They're still chugging fuel when the battery runs out, more than a sedan would with the same set up.

 

[SM]

Cool. They're still chugging fuel when the battery runs out, more than a sedan would with the same set up.

This is going round in circles. Not sure what you're struggling with.

 

[Bradesmaen]

This is going round in circles. Not sure what you're struggling with.

Why not buy an EV if you're only going to use it on battery an afraid to put it on Petrol.

 

[SM]

Why not buy an EV if you're only going to use it on battery an afraid to put it on Petrol.

Afraid?

Why are you unable to have a conversation without resorting to being a dickhead?

 

[Bradesmaen]

Afraid?

Why are you unable to have a conversation without resorting to being a dickhead?

Touché.

I said that SUVs chug fuel and so do hybrid ones, when you are off the battery. If you are solely using a battery then you might as well get an EV. My whole thing of "Ew SUV" was clearly pointing out that I do not like SUVs and one reason is that in comparison to a sedan or hatch back they use significantly more fuel. That was an obvious point that was made ages ago. Keeping it on such a small battery for so long is a ridiculous effort just to avoid petrol and makes you seem afraid of actually using fuel, hence get an EV.

Above is the summary of the point that you some how have not grasped yet again, or you did and you just decided to try and have the last word like you always do - something that has been pointed out to me in numerous PMs with other people.

 

[SM]

Touché.

I said that SUVs chug fuel and so do hybrid ones, when you are off the battery. If you are solely using a battery then you might as well get an EV. My whole thing of "Ew SUV" was clearly pointing out that I do not like SUVs and one reason is that in comparison to a sedan or hatch back they use significantly more fuel. That was an obvious point that was made ages ago. Keeping it on such a small battery for so long is a ridiculous effort just to avoid petrol and makes you seem afraid of actually using fuel, hence get an EV.

Above is the summary of the point that you some how have not grasped yet again, or you did and you just decided to try and have the last word like you always do - something that has been pointed out to me in numerous PMs with other people.

Did you miss the start of this where I explained I'd rather get an EV but my wife wants to get a hybrid until she's comfortable with range?

 

[TY24]

Touché.

I said that SUVs chug fuel and so do hybrid ones, when you are off the battery. If you are solely using a battery then you might as well get an EV. My whole thing of "Ew SUV" was clearly pointing out that I do not like SUVs and one reason is that in comparison to a sedan or hatch back they use significantly more fuel. That was an obvious point that was made ages ago. Keeping it on such a small battery for so long is a ridiculous effort just to avoid petrol and makes you seem afraid of actually using fuel, hence get an EV.

Above is the summary of the point that you some how have not grasped yet again, or you did and you just decided to try and have the last word like you always do - something that has been pointed out to me in numerous PMs with other people.

This is a bit of a generalization as not all hybrid systems are the same.

Some use pure electric drive until its flat then switch to the ICE, some use the battery and ICE in tandem. Some need to be plugged in, some don't.

Toyota's hybrid system is generally considered the best as it will use both the electric and petrol drive systems in tandem, as well as using regen braking and the ICE to keep the battery topped up. It's pretty rare for a Toyota hybrid to be driving without any assistance from the electric motors, and their fuel economy is outstanding as a result.

 

[Bradesmaen]

This is a bit of a generalization as not all hybrid systems are the same.

Some use pure electric drive until its flat then switch to the ICE, some use the battery and ICE in tandem. Some need to be plugged in, some don't.

Toyota's hybrid system is generally considered the best as it will use both the electric and petrol drive systems in tandem, as well as using regen braking and the ICE to keep the battery topped up. It's pretty rare for a Toyota hybrid to be driving without any assistance from the electric motors, and their fuel economy is outstanding as a result.

I realise that, I have a mild hybrid as it is which isnt even a proper hybrid.

The point was more the fuel economy on a sedan/hatch is always better than the excessively heavy and impractical SUVs.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Over in the UK now.

Have an BMW I4 sport for 4 weeks.

I have noticed it sucks the juice real quick on motorways during road trips if you sit on 75-80mph.

Would also be uneconomical if charging at home wasn't an option.

I did a supercharger at Rugby services. 89p / kWh - rip off.

Otherwise around round it's great and recharges quickly with high regen charging.

There's no way I would rent an EV hire car. In the UK I stay at either a mate's place or in a flat near my Mum's complex. Neither has charging facilities. I don't really fancy my family sitting in a car park for half an hour while the car charges.

 

[Zidane98]

There's no way I would rent an EV hire car. In the UK I stay at either a mate's place or in a flat near my Mum's complex. Neither has charging facilities. I don't really fancy my family sitting in a car park for half an hour while the car charges.

I am able to charge at family households.


Otherwise it wouldn't be worth it. Although apparently there are street chargers rolling out from lamp posts for those unable to charge in a driveway.

They're 7kw and will take 8 hours or so for a full charge.

 

[SM]

There's no way I would rent an EV hire car. In the UK I stay at either a mate's place or in a flat near my Mum's complex. Neither has charging facilities. I don't really fancy my family sitting in a car park for half an hour while the car charges.

Half an hour in a car park while you have a coffee or a browse of a shop doesn't sound crazy?

 

[Bradesmaen]

Half an hour in a car park while you have a coffee or a browse of a shop doesn't sound crazy?

Depends how busy you are when you need it charged. If you plan it it's not so bad.

 

[SM]

Depends how busy you are when you need it charged. If you plan it it's not so bad.

I would think it's no different than needing to stop and get petrol. You don't leave it until it's on empty, you fill it up when it's getting low and is convenient for you. Needing to charge/fill your car isn't a unique concept to EVs.

 

[Bradesmaen]

I would think it's no different than needing to stop and get petrol. You don't leave it until it's on empty, you fill it up when it's getting low and is convenient for you. Needing to charge/fill your car isn't a unique concept to EVs.

It's a lot slower, 30 mins is best case scenario for 80%

 

[Zidane98]

It's a lot slower, 30 mins is best case scenario for 80%

Some superchargers are 350kw in England I noticed.

That does 20-80 percent in 15 mins. But £££ and usually located at fancy services on main motorway routes (M6, M1 etc).

Also not good for battery health to constantly supercharge.

 

[SM]

It's a lot slower, 30 mins is best case scenario for 80%

I didn't mention speed, I suggested that the concept of "refilling" before it's urgent is the same.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Half an hour in a car park while you have a coffee or a browse of a shop doesn't sound crazy?

A half hour stop may or may not be convenient. The nearest public chargers to me are in a car park in Corio. There's no protection from the weather. There's no toilet/nappy change. No snacks or drinks for sale. There's a few furniture shops and a Chemist Warehouse for 'browsing' but they close at 5.30. I wouldn't fancy hanging around there after dark, and women on their own should probably avoid it.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Over in the UK now.

Have an BMW I4 sport for 4 weeks.

I have noticed it sucks the juice real quick on motorways during road trips if you sit on 75-80mph.

Would also be uneconomical if charging at home wasn't an option.

I did a supercharger at Rugby services. 89p / kWh - rip off.

Otherwise around round it's great and recharges quickly with high regen charging.

That's a top spec vehicle. Are you paying with your own money?

Looking at a couple of quotes it looked like a BMW EV would cost twice as much to hire as the equivalent ICE car.

 

[Zidane98]

That's a top spec vehicle. Are you paying with your own money?

Looking at a couple of quotes it looked like a BMW EV would cost twice as much to hire as the equivalent ICE car.

Yeah got a good deal online plus Europcar didn't have what I booked so got a free upgrade.

 

[Zidane98]

To be honest BMW I4 was a pita. Boot is super low. We had 5 of us plus suitcases. We had booked a BYD SUV but that was out of service so we were given the BMW as a free "upgrade".

Problem is we barely stuffed in all 5 of us with luggage.

I asked for a non EV 7 seat SUV. Was told that's a new booking now and was quoted 2991 pounds for 4 weeks use lol.

As an extra was told roadside would be 11 quid a day. I said the car was new with 200 miles on it - wouldn't manufacturers cover roadside?

 

[Cruyff14]

Going to be a dad again - baby girl number 3 on the way!

 

[chef]

Going to be a dad again - baby girl number 3 on the way!

Congrats mate

 

[Zidane98]

Going to be a dad again - baby girl number 3 on the way!

Congrats on the baby.

 

[Frank Bunn]

To be honest BMW I4 was a pita. Boot is super low. We had 5 of us plus suitcases. We had booked a BYD SUV but that was out of service so we were given the BMW as a free "upgrade".

Problem is we barely stuffed in all 5 of us with luggage.

I asked for a non EV 7 seat SUV. Was told that's a new booking now and was quoted 2991 pounds for 4 weeks use lol.

As an extra was told roadside would be 11 quid a day. I said the car was new with 200 miles on it - wouldn't manufacturers cover roadside?

Was the BYD SUV you booked an EV? If not, they shouldn't be giving you a sedan EV as a replacement. It seems like it was the SUV element was why you booked it, and like I said EVs can be inconvenient when travelling. The upgrade should have been the 7 seat non-EV SUV.

They've got you over a barrel to some extent. You're at the hire car counter with cranky kids after long haul flights. You just want to get on your way. It's standard for them to upsell you on the insurance and roadside assist. You can end up paying 50% more than the online quote.

 

[SM]

Was the BYD SUV you booked an EV? If not, they shouldn't be giving you a sedan EV as a replacement. It seems like it was the SUV element was why you booked it, and like I said EVs can be inconvenient when travelling. The upgrade should have been the 7 seat non-EV SUV.

They've got you over a barrel to some extent. You're at the hire car counter with cranky kids after long haul flights. You just want to get on your way. It's standard for them to upsell you on the insurance and roadside assist. You can end up paying 50% more than the online quote.

BYD doesn't do non EVs do they..?