The Official Matthew Pavlich Thread

[jo172]

While it would seem every person here wants to see the Pav in tricolours, many people seem resistant to go after him due to the probable extravagant cost in getting him. I'm thinking that everyone makes a list of players who they wouldn't let go, who they would let go but no one would want, who they would let go but wouldn't get their net worth and also how many of these players they would be willing to let go.

Note: Freo supporters saying "that's not enough" and "he's not going home" aren't welcome, this is purely a hypothetical. Also Port supporters gloating we could have had him the year before remember Adam Morgan

Players who i wouldn't let Go:

Thompson, Griffin, Van Berlo, Basset, Edwards, Hudson, Johncock, Maric, Knights, Mcleod, Rutten, Ricciuto, Reilly, Goodwin,

Players who i would be willing to trade as long as not all of them leave:

Massie, Bode, Shirley, Torney, Welsh, McGregor, Perrie, Burton, Douglas, Stevens, Biglands, Hentshel, Mattner, Bock

Players who are unproven and probably worth not much but if Freo want them go to town!

Gill, Tippet, Mackay, Pfeiffer, Vince, Sellar, Campbell, Hinge, Porplyzia

Players who are too useless for Freo to want:

Jericho, Doughty,

Probable Trade Bait

Meesen

Also i'd be willing to put up any of our draft picks considering the weak draft this year.

So do you guys think there's any chance of a first rounder + Meesen (or whatever a vic club will give us for Meese) + one of Bock/K-Mac/Hentshel/Stevens/Mattner etc for the Pav?

 

[bus24]

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Richard Douglas - Going nowhere

I wonder if they'd take Ian Perrie + a couple of first rounders.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

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IMO whats required is 1 decent player + 1 top 10 draft pick + 1 pick up to pick 25.

So John Meesen gets us our second draft pick, we just have to give up another player.

 

[Sanguinarius]

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2 first rounders + griffen

second first rounder to be traded for using meesen + jericho/3rd/4th round pick

 

[raikkonen]

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1st Round + Meese + Stevens (or) Douglas (or) Vince

 

[Crow Chick]

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IMO whats required is 1 decent player + 1 top 10 draft pick + 1 pick up to pick 25.

So John Meesen gets us our second draft pick, we just have to give up another player.

Think you are pretty spot on there CC!! to get quality you have to give up quality and I really think we'd have to give up a player like Johncock (unfortunately!).

All this talk about untouchable players is bollocks! You can't expect to get a player like Pavlich without giving up one of our star younger players, even maybe Rutten.

 

[bus24]

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It'll be a Western Australian + 2 Draft selections

The draft selections being whatever we get for Meese (17-20) and our first rounder (10-12)

 

[writeoff]

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Pavlich is an elite AFL key position player. He is seriously being undervalued on this board. Freo would be right to want an exchange involving a young proven player eg Johncock, Thompson, Rutten, Reilly, a promising youngster eg Porplyzia, Griffen, Knights, Van Berlo and a high draft pick. I think people on this board need to start being a bit more realistic as to what it would take to bring Pav here. It's a pity that we can't just buy him off Freo like they do in the football leagues around the world as we have $. I'm not saying I want to give up these players, just that we will have to face up to the reality that the AFC will have to.

 

[bus24]

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It's all good and well to mention these kids, but they're not going to want to be pissed off to WA. Only players that would settle for this are WA locals.

 

[jo172]

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It's all good and well to mention these kids, but they're not going to want to be pissed off to WA. Only players that would settle for this are WA locals.

Which leaves Van Berlo Griffen and Stevens? (Are there any others?)

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Two first round draft picks (one preferably in top 5 and certainly in top 10) and a good player.

We might be able to trade someone like Meesen and our 2nd round pick to St. Kilda for their first rounder.

Then send St. Kilda's 1st rounder, our 1st rounder and a good player to Freo. Who that player is, well thats debatable. It could be someone like van Berlo or Griffin or Stevens or Bock etc...

But I think that would be somewhere in the ball park and anyone else thinking of getting him for any lesser offer than that is kidding themselves.

EDIT: come to think of it, Freo might very well like someone like Mattner. His hard running and penetrating style would be suited well to subiaco.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Which leaves Van Berlo Griffen and Stevens? (Are there any others?)

VB, Stevens, Griffin and Perrie.

 

[bus24]

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Which leaves Van Berlo Griffen and Stevens? (Are there any others?)

Perrie

He'll win them a flag

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

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If we can **** perrie off with 2 high draft picks then I think both clubs would be happy.

 

[Redline]

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1st Round + Meese + Stevens (or) Douglas (or) Vince

You can forget any names that are not on our must keep list. Players like Vince and Stevens fall off trees as good a players as they are.

The easiest way to do this is reverse the roles. We wouldn't contemplate names like that if it was us.

 

[jo172]

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Perrie

He'll win them a flag

Haven't we tried to annually pawn of Perrie to one of the WA clubs for the last 8 years? I think they're wise to our tricks. I honestly just can't see this trade being done unless Freo absolutely bend over for us (which has happened before)

 

[bus24]

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Haven't we tried to annually pawn of Perrie to one of the WA clubs for the last 8 years? I think they're wise to our tricks. I honestly just can't see this trade being done unless Freo absolutely bend over for us (which has happened before)

Well, if they want to win a flag. He's probably more likely to help that ambition than a Griffin is.

 

[suburban_superstar]

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im sure fremantle have learned from their mistakes in the past, so i think its safe to say you can forget the whole "bending over for us" theory. they are gonna play hard ball, its gonna cost us big.

 

[Fred Phillis]

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neil craig media conference today said Pavlich "very attractive to our football club".
"Is there any club that wouldn't need a Matthew Pavlich.
"Every club, if they could afford him and could entice him to the club - he's a quality player who plays in a key position, and a quality person.
"(But) not any price, that would be irresponsible of our club to go down that path, and I certainly wouldn't be pushing to get any player at our club at any price, it's a formula for disaster."

Craig had "no idea" what Pavlich worth.
"A lot of it is pure speculation. He's an elite key position player in the AFL so the worth of it is a two-sided thing - it's what Fremantle would be asking clubs for Matthew to go to the club of his choice ... and then it's a matter of what a club would be prepared, what would Matthew's terms be. So there is a lot of negotiations to go along with Matthew, whatever club puts their hand up if he decides to move. (He is) South Australian, so it makes sense if he's going to move to come back to South Australia, either here or Port Adelaide."

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

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neil craig media conference today said Pavlich "very attractive to our football club".
"Is there any club that wouldn't need a Matthew Pavlich.
"Every club, if they could afford him and could entice him to the club - he's a quality player who plays in a key position, and a quality person.
"(But) not any price, that would be irresponsible of our club to go down that path, and I certainly wouldn't be pushing to get any player at our club at any price, it's a formula for disaster."

Craig had "no idea" what Pavlich worth.
"A lot of it is pure speculation. He's an elite key position player in the AFL so the worth of it is a two-sided thing - it's what Fremantle would be asking clubs for Matthew to go to the club of his choice ... and then it's a matter of what a club would be prepared, what would Matthew's terms be. So there is a lot of negotiations to go along with Matthew, whatever club puts their hand up if he decides to move. (He is) South Australian, so it makes sense if he's going to move to come back to South Australia, either here or Port Adelaide."

I think this suggest he is moving and has indicated that to the Crows.

Everyone knows that Neil Craig wouldn't discuss this stuff hypothetically mid season, we know what he's like.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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neil craig media conference today said Pavlich "very attractive to our football club".
"Is there any club that wouldn't need a Matthew Pavlich.
"Every club, if they could afford him and could entice him to the club - he's a quality player who plays in a key position, and a quality person.
"(But) not any price, that would be irresponsible of our club to go down that path, and I certainly wouldn't be pushing to get any player at our club at any price, it's a formula for disaster."

Craig had "no idea" what Pavlich worth.
"A lot of it is pure speculation. He's an elite key position player in the AFL so the worth of it is a two-sided thing - it's what Fremantle would be asking clubs for Matthew to go to the club of his choice ... and then it's a matter of what a club would be prepared, what would Matthew's terms be. So there is a lot of negotiations to go along with Matthew, whatever club puts their hand up if he decides to move. (He is) South Australian, so it makes sense if he's going to move to come back to South Australia, either here or Port Adelaide."

Pretty much said what he did earlier in the season regarding Pavlich. He would be a great get but it will depend on the price.

Surely, as a club we would know roughly what the cost of getting Pavlich would be in terms of $$$ and trade currency and then we proceed from there. No one is untradeable. It will be tough to get him but if we REALLY want to get him, then we can. If we don't it will be because we once again preferred to sit on our backsides and are not prepared to pay what a player is worth. Sometimes I wish we were aggressive in persuing players that would be of great assitance for us. Getting on the front foot and getting in early is an advantage which payed dividends for us with Thompson. Hopefully we are already doing our bit behind the scenes.

If we let Pavlich end up at Port, I would not be happy because he IS the player that fits like a glove here. He is EXACTLY what this team lacks!

 

[pinkus maximus]

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IMO

VB + top 10 pick + 1st rd pick

 

[Cap]

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Pretty much said what he did earlier in the season regarding Pavlich. He would be a great get but it will depend on the price.
Surely, as a club we would know roughly what the cost of getting Pavlich would be in terms of $$$ and trade currency and then we proceed from there. No one is untradeable. It will be tough to get him but if we REALLY want to get him, then we can. If we don't it will be because we once again preferred to sit on our backsides and are not prepared to pay what a player is worth. Sometimes I wish we were aggressive in persuing players that would be of great assitance for us. Getting on the front foot and getting in early is an advantage which payed dividends for us with Thompson. Hopefully we are already doing our bit behind the scenes.

If we let Pavlich end up at Port, I would not be happy because he IS the player that fits like a glove here. He is EXACTLY what this team lacks!

I think the issue that Craig is eluding to is that chances are he will be over priced,

To get Pav we will be paying a premium if he selects Adelaide and Especially if he nominates the Crows. This arguement that the AFC won;t accept market value for a player hence we don't trade is stupid,the potential benefit is alot of the time lesser than the cost, as with everything what I have is worth more to me that it is to you.

 

[Cap]

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IMO

VB + top 10 pick + 1st rd pick

the sad thing is your probably not far from the truth

 

[Stiffy_18]

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I think the issue that Craig is eluding to is that chances are he will be over priced,

To get Pav we will be paying a premium if he selects Adelaide and Especially if he nominates the Crows. This arguement that the AFC won;t accept market value for a player hence we don't trade is stupid,the potential benefit is alot of the time lesser than the cost, as with everything what I have is worth more to me that it is to you.

Bottom line is, that if he chooses Adelaide a trade that satisfies all parties can be reached, if you are prepared to pay for what you are getting. If you are hoping to get him for 70 cents of the dollar then you are really mucking about. If you are prepared to pay the $1, then you will have him.

Of course Freo will come in and ask for $1.50 knowing well that no team can meet that demand but they will settle for the $1.

2 first rounders and a good player is not too much to pay for a player of Pavs quality. If we are not prepared to do that, then I have a great concern about the capacity of people in charge to lead us to holly grail.