The on topic thread 3.0

[SM]

Can you have one conversation without acting like a petulant baby?

You guessed that I was baiting. I wasn’t. I am explaining why I have issues with the knee being politicised and actually said in my OP I would support an anti-racist knee that did not stem from a radical ideology. You deliberately ignored that part, then accused me of anti-anti-racism and essentially called me a racist.

I think it’s pretty clear you’re not quite mature enough to have this conversation.

I'm sorry if I upset you with my response.

Take a step back, take a breath, and realise you're siding with the racists in this debate and question what that says about your own morality. Then get back to me.

 

[Loonerty]

From my perspective saying "BLM is from a radical ideology that has an agenda of societal destruction" is a bit of a nothing statement without something backing it.

Pretty sure the message of BLM is simply that, Black Lives Matter.

 

[Solska]

I'm sorry if I upset you with my response.

Take a step back, take a breath, and realise you're siding with the racists in this debate and question what that says about your own morality. Then get back to me.

I think it’s pretty clear you’re not quite mature enough to have this conversation.

 

[RPCB]

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That is what athletes all around the world are supporting.

 

[SM]

If only the PL and EFL were supporting an independent movement like, I dunno, Kick It Out or something.

Then people like Gosh would jump on board right?

 

[Solska]

From my perspective saying "BLM is from a radical ideology that has an agenda of societal destruction" is a bit of a nothing statement without something backing it.

Pretty sure the message of BLM is simply that, Black Lives Matter.

But BLM is more than a statement and as I have stated numerous times, I have no problem with the statement in isolation. It’s the political affiliation that bothers me.

I’m happy to continue this conversation with you in the off topic thread later. I’m going back to sleep.

 

[Solska]

If only the PL and EFL were supporting an independent movement like, I dunno, Kick It Out or something.

Then people like Gosh would jump on board right?

I do support Kick It Out. You’re really struggling here lol.

 

[SM]

I do support Kick It Out. You’re really struggling here lol.

But the PL and EFL are supporting Kick It Out this season, not BLM.. Like they're literally doing what you said would be required for you to support the players kneeling.

Not sure I'm the one struggling matey.

 

[Solska]

But the PL and EFL are supporting Kick It Out this season, not BLM.. Like they're literally doing what you said would be required for you to support the players kneeling.

Not sure I'm the one struggling matey.

I will say it again:

1. I have no problem with kneeling if it’s detached from BLM
2. I have a problem with kneeling for BLM

There is a very clear distinction between the moral cause and a political movement that you’re having difficulty wrapping your head around.

 

[SM]

I will say it again:

1. I have no problem with kneeling if it’s detached from BLM
2. I have a problem with kneeling for BLM

There is a very clear distinction between the moral cause and a political movement that you’re having difficulty wrapping your head around.

I mean, did you even read the post you quoted? The league is supporting Kick It Out this season. They have removed BLM from the badges on sleeves and instead have the Kick It Out campaign. They are kneeling as a broad gesture of support distinct from BLM (i.e. detached from BLM) and linked instead with their Kick It Out campaign.

So in a very painful, roundabout way of getting there, you do agree with us that Milwall supporters booing a gesture of equality and inclusiveness is scummy and racist.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

From my perspective saying "BLM is from a radical ideology that has an agenda of societal destruction" is a bit of a nothing statement without something backing it.

Pretty sure the message of BLM is simply that, Black Lives Matter.

BLM to me would be altered in the same way that violence against women message somewhat has as well.

The message that some boys get growing up is not to hit girls, but some take it further and teach them not to hit anyone. The message shouldn’t be that black lives matter, but that all lives matter.

If we can teach a generation of young boys and girls that all lives matter, we are all equal and it is not ok to hit anyone then we might just see the next generation be far more tolerant and less aggressive than those that have gone before them.

 

[Loonerty]

The message that some boys get growing up is not to hit girls, but some take it further and teach them not to hit anyone. The message shouldn’t be that black lives matter, but that all lives matter.

Here's WWE wrestler Randy Orton's opinion on the matter. He used to have a similar mindset to you.

 

[Solska]

I mean, did you even read the post you quoted? The league is supporting Kick It Out this season. They have removed BLM from the badges on sleeves and instead have the Kick It Out campaign. They are kneeling as a broad gesture of support distinct from BLM (i.e. detached from BLM) and linked instead with their Kick It Out campaign.

So in a very painful, roundabout way of getting there, you do agree with us that Milwall supporters booing a gesture of equality and inclusiveness is scummy and racist.

The only thing painful about this conversation is your inability to digest the text in front of you.

Taking a knee is still a widely recognised action to show support for Black Lives Matter and it was first adopted in the Premier League for that purpose, so I understand why people continue to boo it. The fact the Premier League have adopted their own campaign to remove themselves from BLM probably says all you need to know about the organisation that you support.

 

[SM]

BLM to me would be altered in the same way that violence against women message somewhat has as well.

The message that some boys get growing up is not to hit girls, but some take it further and teach them not to hit anyone. The message shouldn’t be that black lives matter, but that all lives matter.

If we can teach a generation of young boys and girls that all lives matter, we are all equal and it is not ok to hit anyone then we might just see the next generation be far more tolerant and less aggressive than those that have gone before them.

Aw man I thought Gosha would be the one to hit this point on the scorecard.

Black lives matter IS saying that all lives matter bro.

 

[SM]

The only thing painful about this conversation is your inability to digest the text in front of you.

Taking a knee is still a widely recognised action to show support for Black Lives Matter and it was first adopted in the Premier League for that purpose, so I understand why people continue to boo it. The fact the Premier League have adopted their own campaign to remove themselves from BLM probably says all you need to know about the organisation that you support.

Ah got it, so even though it's disconnected from BLM, the "vibe" still means that taking a knee is linked to BLM. So when you said you would support taking the knee if it was disconnected from BLM, you were being disingenuous and really you're just against taking the knee full stop because it's intrinsically linked to BLM. Got it.

The fact they've done that and you still continue to parrot talking points about some Marxist ideology that the savants at Milwall are bravely protesting says all we need to know about your mindset.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Here's WWE wrestler Randy Orton's opinion on the matter. He used to have a similar mindset to you.

Two separate issues imo.

There’s the now and the future. For now we most definitely need to focus on minority groups that have unfair disadvantages in life and if athletes kneeling helps spread the message that it is not ok then no problem with that.

But everything starts in the home. A person’s values, beliefs, principles and interests stem from their most inhabited environments, which for young impressionable children is in the home and at school. A child living in a racist household will likely develop those same beliefs. More effort and attention needs to go into this in future generations, and schools are just as good a place as parents at home. I would be advocating for far more advanced messaging and learning for future generations than simply BLM or LGBT lives matter and so on.

 

[Solska]

Ah got it, so even though it's disconnected from BLM, the "vibe" still means that taking a knee is linked to BLM. So when you said you would support taking the knee if it was disconnected from BLM, you were being disingenuous and really you're just against taking the knee full stop because it's intrinsically linked to BLM. Got it.

The fact they've done that and you still continue to parrot talking points about some Marxist ideology that the savants at Milwall are bravely protesting says all we need to know about your mindset.

No matter how many times you attempt to put words into my mouth, it just doesn’t work. I am however done with repeating myself.

I’m also sorry for calling out a radical organisation that you support. I’ll stick with supporting Kick It Out if that’s OK with you.

 

[SM]

In my experience those who purport to support "All lives matter" or that domestic violence perpetrated by women is equivalent to the violence perpetrated by men against women are those that don't actually want anything to change from the status quo. It's the "not all men" brigade. They think that because in their bubble they don't see any issues, no issues exist in the world, and that movements such as BLM are divisive rather than bridging divides that have existed for centuries.

 

[Solska]

In my experience those who purport to support "All lives matter" or that domestic violence perpetrated by women is equivalent to the violence perpetrated by men against women are those that don't actually want anything to change from the status quo. It's the "not all men" brigade. They think that because in their bubble they don't see any issues, no issues exist in the world, and that movements such as BLM are divisive rather than bridging divides that have existed for centuries.

According to polls in the UK, the majority of people believe BLM is divisive and increases racial tensions. It’s of little surprise that you support this organisation.

 

[SM]

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

The fact Millwall fans have had a history of racist and other offensive chants and behaviour over the years means that they do not get the benefit of the doubt on this issue (for instance, in the championship etc, they often mocked the deaths of two Leeds United fans (Chris and Kevin) tragically stabbed to death in Turkey by Galatassary fans.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

According to polls in the UK, the majority of people believe BLM is divisive and increases racial tensions. It’s of little surprise that you support this organisation.

Polls conducted by Murdoch owned RWNJ filled media outlets no doubt.

 

[Solska]

Polls conducted by Murdoch owned RWNJ filled media outlets no doubt.

BLM need racial tensions to exist and be relevant. If you don’t think BLM is divisive then you have rocks in your head.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Also somehow it seems even worse this weekend which was Rainbow Laces round (stamping our Homo and Transphobia in football)

Anyhow Millwall fans are their own worst enemies, no decent player (black or otherwise) would want to join a club with such a vile, toxic fan base, and therefore they will never win promotion to the Premier League or win any major trophies.

Never change Millwank.

 

[SM]

BLM enjoys racism continuing, just like charities are happy that hunger and poverty continue to be a thing. Otherwise how would they make all that sweet sweet cash?