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For those that want to read it

On the morning of July 13, 2019, Kieran Trippier sent a message to a WhatsApp thread called ‘Pint’ that has cost him more than he could have ever imagined. Atletico Madrid were trying to sign him from Tottenham — later that day Trippier would receive a message from Diego Simeone — and his future was the central topic on the thread that week.

At 9.10am Trippier wrote, directed to his friend Oliver Hawley, “Come Madrid with me to sign mate”. Later that morning, Hawley bet £20 on Trippier joining Atletico at 4/1. It was the seventh bet Hawley had placed on his friend joining Atletico Madrid. He eventually placed 16, with another two on Trippier joining Juventus.

That message sent to ‘Pint’ was the foundation for one of the Football Association’s four charges against Trippier that were found proven by an independent regulatory commission, with another four charges not proven. On Tuesday the FA published the commission’s written reasons for banning Trippier for 10 weeks and fining him £70,000.

This 41-page document is primarily based on what the commission refers to as a “forensic examination” of Trippier’s mobile phone, which he offered to them to investigate. They show the detail of Trippier’s conversations with his close friends in July 2019, in the days leading up to his £25 million transfer from Tottenham to Atletico. And, combined with the bets those friends placed on Trippier’s future, they make up the FA’s case against an England international, who Gareth Southgate and Harry Kane gave character references for.

The case against Trippier — much like the similar case against Daniel Sturridge last year — raises questions about football’s relationship with the gambling industry, which activities English football permits and which it prescribes. Clearly, the relationship between football and gambling needs to be regulated, and yet one of the main areas that the FA chooses to focus on is the WhatsApp messages a player sends to his close friends when he is about to make a high-profile move.

Not all of the messages that Trippier sent to his friends ended up as the basis of proven charges against him. What linked the four proven charges was that they were all situations where Trippier provided information about his proposed move which he “obtained by virtue of [his] position within the game and which was not publicly available at the time”. And, crucially, when Trippier should have known that his friends would have used that information to make a bet.

That is why one of the proven charges centres on Trippier telling his friend OH that he should come to Madrid to complete his signing, and then reiterating that he was moving in a series of messages that evening. “It’s all agreed just waiting for them to come to an agreement with the fee,” Trippier wrote. “Should be done tomorrow or defo Monday.” When Hawley said “at least this should get you out of going to China”, Trippier responded: “Yeah don’t want to be going there.”

The next day, Sunday, July 14, Trippier took his family to Paradise Wildlife Park, a popular zoo in Hertfordshire with a big cat sanctuary and a dinosaur museum. He discussed his move to Atletico with a friend, who then messaged him again that night after Trippier had left the park. The friend — known as MB — asked “Shall I lump on you going there?”, and amid an exchange of emojis, Trippier confirmed his move. “Don’t blame me if something goes wrong,” Trippier wrote, before “Lump on if you want mate.” Both messages were followed with the crying/laughing emoji.

The day after that, as Tottenham and Atletico negotiated the final details of the transfer, Trippier continued to keep his friends updated. He set up a new thread — ‘Boys Promotions’ — and that evening wrote “nearly done deal levy just wants £500k more”. When the deal was agreed, Trippier told his friends, writing “Done deal”. Hawley bet another £300 on Trippier’s moving to Atletico even though the odds had come in to 4/11 by that point.

The fourth and final charge proven against Trippier concerns him telling the ‘Boys Promotions’ thread that the £25 million fee had been agreed between Atletico and Spurs, and that he was “flying out today and do[ing] my medical tomorrow”. Later that day Hawley and another friend continued to bet on the transfer, at odds as short as 3/10, 1/3 and 1/6. The move was sealed the next day.

Bets placed on Trippier transfer
BET PLACED BYNUMBER OF BETS PLACEDTOTAL MADE FROM BETS
OH18£1,346.84
J4£15.38 (+ 3 unknown bets)
B1£24.10

The publication of these messages by the regulatory commission might be embarrassing for Trippier, and people will have their own views on how bad this is. The commission found that Sturridge’s offences were worse, when he was telling his family and friends to bet. Sturridge wrote “Put the grand on Sevilla I’ll give it you back if you lose” to his brother in January 2018, and soon after told a friend a bet on a move to West Bromwich Albion was “worth a flutter”.

But there is no evidence in Trippier’s case of him trying anything systematic to make money from bookmakers. If anything he has simply been too honest, honest to the point of naivety or carelessness in keeping his friends so updated on his imminent transfer. The majority of these communications involve Trippier simply responding honestly to eager questions from his friends. The commission refers to Trippier’s “genuine remorse” over this incident and to his willingness to help the FA out with betting education in future, to stop other players from falling into the same situation.

The question of how to avoid this happening again is not straightforward. The implication of the commission’s findings is that a player like Trippier would be obliged in the course of these conversations with his close friends to tell them not to bet on the outcomes he was describing. “Given the nature of their communications Trippier should have warned OH against betting upon his transfer but, instead he said or did nothing to discourage OH from betting.”

This seems like an unfairly high bar to place on Trippier or any footballer in this situation, effectively forcing them to caveat conversations with close friends with their own set of terms and conditions, in case that friend happens to like a bet. It also feels like an unrealistic prescription of friendly conversation from two industries, football and betting, who still do not know how to regulate their overlap.

Trippier, having failed to clear this unrealistically high bar of human behaviour from the FA, now finds his season left in limbo. Atletico Madrid are fighting Trippier’s corner hard, appealing to FIFA on his behalf. Trippier is currently training by himself, but Simeone jumped to Trippier’s defence in a press conference on Tuesday. “We’re very happy to have him back,” Simeone said. “I gave him a hug, and in the coming days I’ll know more.
 

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The Trippier ban is a joke of a ban set up to protect betting agencies over a market that shouldn't exist.

That seems to be stance of most journos that have looked into it, but no doubt that the commercial interests of the FA will override common sense.

And just to illustrate the stupidity of the ban, the document detailing it doesn't even spell Atletico Madrid's name correctly 😅
 

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The Trippier ban is a joke of a ban set up to protect betting agencies over a market that shouldn't exist.

That seems to be stance of most journos that have looked into it, but no doubt that the commercial interests of the FA will override common sense.

And just to illustrate the stupidity of the ban, the document detailing it doesn't even spell Atletico Madrid's name correctly 😅
The ban won’t have anything to do with protecting betting agencies. The problem is the majority of journos have no real idea how corporate bookmakers operate.

These markets have such a minimal liability for any of the corporate bookmakers relative to their core business. They are basically just a promotional tool. Unless it is a known and profiled client, anyone trying to put any serious money on a player transfer market will just have their bet rejected. Most would even have a capped Max payout for that type of market in their T’s&C’s.

Sporting bodies request betting info from bookmakers for integrity reasons everyday. On the surface Trippier’s ban and fine looks ridiculous, but the FA (and just about every sporting body) have a pretty clear stance on these things and the players are made very aware about what they can and can’t do.
 

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The next day, Sunday, July 14, Trippier took his family to Paradise Wildlife Park, a popular zoo in Hertfordshire with a big cat sanctuary and a dinosaur museum. He discussed his move to Atletico with a friend, who then messaged him again that night after Trippier had left the park. The friend — known as MB — asked “Shall I lump on you going there?”, and amid an exchange of emojis, Trippier confirmed his move. “Don’t blame me if something goes wrong,” Trippier wrote, before “Lump on if you want mate.” Both messages were followed with the crying/laughing emoji.


That's the problem and why he should be banned. He should be telling his close mates, absolutely do not bet on this. Instead he kinda encourages it.
 

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The Trippier ban is a joke of a ban set up to protect betting agencies over a market that shouldn't exist.

That seems to be stance of most journos that have looked into it, but no doubt that the commercial interests of the FA will override common sense.

And just to illustrate the stupidity of the ban, the document detailing it doesn't even spell Atletico Madrid's name correctly 😅
Yep most pundits and journos in the game calling it for what it is. Farcical.

also Jod, you idiot.
 

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Lol at Everton having scored only 22 fewer penalties than United despite having an average league finish in the Premier League era of 10th, compared to 13 league titles to United. Everton had no right to have scored (and received more) that many penalties. Makes no sense.
 

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City are higher than it looks really when you take into games per penalty.
surprised Spurs are (just) below Newcastle and City
facts vs facts.

Jurgen is panicking a little bit to have to bring up the penalties but still it is what it is.
they’ve had 0.9% more penalties then United over 1100 games. it’s fu** all difference, and was always going to be one of the 6 clubs to play in each epl season
 

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surprised Spurs are (just) below Newcastle and City

they’ve had 0.9% more penalties then United over 1100 games. it’s fu** all difference, and was always going to be one of the 6 clubs to play in each epl season
130 pens scored in the league for 30 years looks tiny when you compare it to Man United who have had 48 pens in 2 1/2 years in all comps.
 

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