The on topic thread 3.0

[moomba]

Well they've f’ed English football so I'm fine with thinking they have only been good for a few teams and not the health of the nation wide leagues.

Theres been some good foreign owners, some bad. Just as there's been some good British owners, some bad.

Generalising like you're doing is just xenophobic at best.

 

[Bostonian]

Theres been some good foreign owners, some bad. Just as there's been some good British owners, some bad.

Generalising like you're doing is just xenophobic at best.

Couldn't care less.

When you say there's been some good foreign owners what you are actually saying is they are good for that club. It's inflated the English market contributing far more negative impact to the general health of English football than anything good.

Yes there have been shit British owners but they didn't inflate the market to what it is now.

 

[SM]

Nothing like a bit of casual xenophobia. Give me a foreign born owner with the best interests of the club at heart any day over good old Brits like Ashley, Gold, Sullivan etc.

Ah yes, this proposal certainly shows they have the best interests of clubs at heart.

Surprised to see you in favour of something that just 'delays the inevitable' by giving funding to small clubs.

 

[moomba]

Ah yes, this proposal certainly shows they have the best interests of clubs at heart.

Didn't realise it was the foreign owners association proposal. As I said before, some foreign owners are good, some are not. Some English owners are good, some are not. Judge on what they do, not where they're born.

Surprised to see you in favour of something that just 'delays the inevitable' by giving funding to small clubs.

I posted yesterday that it was the beginning of the end. That kind of suggests I'm not in favour of it.

And just as you didn't understand (or misrepresented) the "delays the inevitable" comment back when I made it (how far back to you go to try and win an internet debate by the way), you either don't understand or are misrepresenting it now.

 

[moomba]

Couldn't care less.

When you say there's been some good foreign owners what you are actually saying is they are good for that club. It's inflated the English market contributing far more negative impact to the general health of English football than anything good.

Yes there have been sh*t British owners but they didn't inflate the market to what it is now.

Transfer fees have increased roughly in line with increases in TV money over the past few decades.

 

[Bostonian]

Transfer fees have increased roughly in line with increases in TV money over the past few decades.

According to this you got 60 million we got 16.

Exactly how does 16 million compete with 60 million in a transfer market?

You don't get much for 16 million these days. When was the last time City got around 16 million for a season from TV money.

 

[SM]

Didn't realise it was the foreign owners association proposal. As I said before, some foreign owners are good, some are not. Some English owners are good, some are not. Judge on what they do, not where they're born.



I posted yesterday that it was the beginning of the end. That kind of suggests I'm not in favour of it.

And just as you didn't understand (or misrepresented) the "delays the inevitable" comment back when I made it (how far back to you go to try and win an internet debate by the way), you either don't understand or are misrepresenting it now.

Are United and Liverpool owned by British nationals?

"How far back I go" to bring up the last time you discussed this topic? Gee how silly of me. You were condescending when I asked a genuine question back then and I see your mood hasn't improved.

 

[Zidane98]

Transfer fees have increased roughly in line with increases in TV money over the past few decades.

2000/01 TV rights cost per season : £168m
2000/01 EPL tranafer window net spend:£144m

2020/21 TV rights cost per season: £3billion
2020/21 EPL transfer window net spend £969m

Transfer market really ramped up post Abramovich and the advent of oil money at City. Certainly had an effect.

 

[moomba]

2000/01 TV rights cost per season : £168m
2000/01 EPL tranafer window net spend:£144m

2020/21 TV rights cost per season: £3billion
2020/21 EPL transfer window net spend £969m

Transfer market really ramped up post Abramovich and the advent of oil money at City. Certainly had an effect.

Net spend on transfers between English clubs has a result of 0. Buying clubs pays, selling club receives.

Pointless using net spend to compare inflation in the marketas City buying a £1 gazillion player from Bournemouth has exactly the same effect as us buying a player from Bournemouth for a penny.

 

[RossFC]

Couldn't care less.

When you say there's been some good foreign owners what you are actually saying is they are good for that club. It's inflated the English market contributing far more negative impact to the general health of English football than anything good.

Yes there have been sh*t British owners but they didn't inflate the market to what it is now.

What about foreign owners who have a sell to buy strategy when it comes to the transfer market? If you produce players and sell them to other clubs for high amounts, surely you re-invest that money?

 

[moomba]

According to this you got 60 million we got 16.

Exactly how does 16 million compete with 60 million in a transfer market?

You don't get much for 16 million these days. When was the last time City got around 16 million for a season from TV money.

Not got anything to do with the nationality of owners. In fact, the whole premier league setup was bought about by five clubs (United, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Arsenal) with British owners.

 

[Bostonian]

What about foreign owners who have a sell to buy strategy when it comes to the transfer market? If you produce players and sell them to other clubs for high amounts, surely you re-invest that money?

Sounds like super rich guys playing football manager.

 

[Bostonian]

Not got anything to do with the nationality of owners. In fact, the whole premier league setup was bought about by five clubs (United, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Arsenal) with British owners.

Formed by greed, then sold on to other super rich greedy people whose money couldn't be competed with..

 

[moomba]

Are United and Liverpool owned by British nationals?

So you judge all foreign owners by the actions of two. Xenophobia at work.

"How far back I go" to bring up the last time you discussed this topic? Gee how silly of me. You were condescending when I asked a genuine question back then and I see your mood hasn't improved.

My mood is fine. But I don't spend my days searching through the archives trying to bring up comments from the past to win an internet debates.

That would be depressing.

 

[RossFC]

Sounds like super rich guys playing football manager.

If Brighton had a player that started banging in goals, and PSG came sniffing, Brightons owners (no matter what country they come from, not sure why that matters) would be seeking the highest possible transfer fee.

 

[Bostonian]

If Brighton had a player that started banging in goals, and PSG came sniffing, Brightons owners (no matter what country they come from, not sure why that matters) would be seeking the highest possible transfer fee.

Our model is based on bringing as many youth scholars as we can as we can't afford to be paying huge wages and transfer fees.

We spent the majority of our small offseason spending on youth players.

We don't do it to sell for profits, we do it so we hopefully don't have to spend obscene amounts of money on transfer fees.

 

[Bostonian]

So you judge all foreign owners by the actions of two. Xenophobia at work.

Your owners haven't been good for English football, just your club.

 

[RossFC]

Our model is based on bringing as many youth scholars as we can as we can't afford to be paying huge wages and transfer fees.

We spent the majority of our small offseason spending on youth players.

We don't do it to sell for profits, we do it so we hopefully don't have to spend obscene amounts of money on transfer fees.

So if you have a breakout superstar, you'd be happy with giving them away for next to nothing? Are you proposing that transfer fees should be abolished?

 

[moomba]

Your owners haven't been good for English football, just your club.

That's fine if that's your opinion. But the owner of my club isn't foreign owners, he's just the owner of my club.

Mike Ashley hasn't been good for English football, or Newcastle. But I don't judge all British owners based on his actions.

 

[Bostonian]

So if you have a breakout superstar, you'd be happy with giving them away for next to nothing? Are you proposing that transfer fees should be abolished?

We wouldn't get the same amount of money for that same player as Liverpool would if he was doing the same thing there.

 

[SM]

So you judge all foreign owners by the actions of two. Xenophobia at work.



My mood is fine. But I don't spend my days searching through the archives trying to bring up comments from the past to win an internet debates.

That would be depressing.

That seems an odd deflection.

 

[Bostonian]

That's fine if that's your opinion. But the owner of my club isn't foreign owners, he's just the owner of my club.

Mike Ashley hasn't been good for English football, or Newcastle. But I don't judge all British owners based on his actions.

The owner of your club is literally a foreign national.

Ashley might not be a great owner but he's not anything like as dodgy as your owners.

Who to be frank just use your club as one of their play things so they can splash the cash around and gain status and influence in Europe.

 

[SM]

Ashley spends tens of millions of pounds on transfers, rather an odd example. Far worse British owners moomba could have used, like the oystons.

 

[moomba]

The owner of your club is literally a foreign national.

Ashley might not be a great owner but he's not anything like as dodgy as your owners.

Who to be frank just use your club as one of their play things so they can splash the cash around and gain status and influence in Europe.

Bingo.

 

[Bostonian]

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Bingo.

Indeed.

We've exposed how you're more concerned about people not being fans of mega rich foreign owners than the vile turds that actually own the club.

English football has allowed one of its major clubs to be exploited as a “branding vehicle” by an international regime accused of human rights abuses after a trial in Abu Dhabi - ruled by Manchester City’s owner and his brothers - according to Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch (HRW).

Abu Dhabi accused of ‘using Manchester City to launder image’

Torture ‘a systematic practice’ in United Arab Emirates

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