The on topic thread 3.0

[Pykie]

As I said, these foreign owners might be good for their club, they've completely f’ed the landscape of English football for the rest of the club who don't have some rich foreigner using them as their play thing.

Your post highlights exactly what I've said.

It's good for your club, not for the rest of the footballing country.

As far as the impact over the whole sphere of English football these foreigner owners have been an utter cancer.

How is Tony Bloom investing £300m+ into a perennially low division club any different to Andrea Radrizzani investing the same amount into a lower division club?

Oh because Uncle Tony invested it in a stadium and your academy he's somehow mother Theresa to the wider English community?

Plenty of foreign owners do that, including our owner, the bulk of the money invested has been moving our academy to Cat 1 status.


How has Tony Bloom been good for the rest of the footballing country and others aren't, pray tell?

What actions (besides his skin colour and his passport number)?

 

[Zidane98]

Well if you can link me to the information you got your view from I'll look at it.

If Bloom is dodgy then I'll accept it with proof.

Everyone in big business is dodgy to some extent. Some more than others, Bloom is to the lower end of the scale from what information I can ascertain.

 

[Bostonian]

How is Tony Bloom investing £300m+ into a perennially low division club any different to Andrea Radrizzani investing the same amount into a lower division club?

Oh because Uncle Tony invested it in a stadium and your academy he's somehow mother Theresa?

Plenty of foreign owners do that, including our owner, the bulk of the money invested has been moving our academy to Cat 1 status.


How has Tony Bloom been good for the rest of the footballing country, pray tell?

He invested it into his childhood team.

The team his family have had a life long association with. His Grandfather was a vice-chairman and his uncle a board member.

So yeah a bit different to Andrea in the connection stake.

More 50 years than 5 minutes.

 

[Pykie]

He invested it into his childhood team.

The team his family have had a life long association with. His Grandfather was a vice-chairman and his uncle a board member.

So yeah a bit different to Andrea in the connection stake.

More 50 years than 5 minutes.

That is such a bullshit argument.

You can't invest/support in a country/club fully unless you are born in the town and weren't born into it? It's basically the fundamental belief of most racists in modern society.

They weren't born here, so they aren't Australian, aren't real fans, aren't Melbournians etc. Where does it stop?

By your own reasoning you aren't a proper Brighton fan because you live in Geelong.

 

[Bostonian]

Everyone in big business is dodgy to some extent. Some more than others, Bloom is to the lower end of the scale from what information I can ascertain.

I wouldn't say all are dodgy, there will be some who are just savvy business people who know loopholes that aren't illegal but simply they benefit from them.

Others will be vile people.

 

[Bostonian]

That is such a bullshit argument.

You can't invest/support in a country/club fully unless you are born in the town and weren't born into it? It's basically the fundamental belief of most racists in modern society.

They weren't born here, so they aren't Australian, aren't real fans, aren't Melbournians etc. Where does it stop?

By your own reasoning you aren't a proper Brighton fan because you live in Geelong.

Yeah you dont get it.

You're so offended on your new sugar daddies behalf.

I'm taking about foreign owners who don't give a **** about the plight of lower league clubs which can be seen in plenty of changes that they bullied into action.

Why you're waffling on about fans I have no idea.

Just because some foreign owners were good for their club doesn't mean foreign owners were good for English football on the whole.

I mean look at where it is now and the proposals being put forth FFS.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

This is like an oil cartel in that the top 6 will always vote in unison. They want to cut PL games and League cup so they can all compete in expanded CL down the track plus also do their own deals free of anyone else. They know EFL clubs are desperate and have offered this carrot.

 

[Zidane98]

Yeah you dont get it.

You're so offended on your new sugar daddies behalf.

I'm taking about foreign owners who don't give a fu** about the plight of lower league clubs which can be easily pointed out of the years with all the things they bullied into action.

Why you're waffling on about fans I have no idea.

Just because some foreign owners were good for their club doesn't mean foreign owners were good for English football on the whole.

I mean look at where it is now and the proposals being put forth FFS.

Its just come out today that the EFL is very much behind this, they want more money.

Doesnt make a difference where owners are to whether they are good or not good.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Most on this board aren't English, but many have developed a strong understanding and connection to their club and community.

I developed a love of Manchester, Man City and English football long before I stepped foot on English soil.

And it's not acceptable to dislike an owner of a football club just because he is foreign.

Hear hear.

Ashley, Gold/Sullivan/Brady are campaigner owners and proudly British.

The furore on here about Man City ownership is well and truly overblown.

 

[Bostonian]

Its just come out today that the EFL is very much behind this, they want more money.

Doesnt make a difference where owners are to whether they are good or not good.

And who is in charge of the EFL?

 

[Bostonian]

Hear hear.

Ashley, Gold/Sullivan/Brady are campaigner owners and proudly British.

The furore on here about Man City ownership is well and truly overblown.

And here you are again comparing a few English footballer owners with human rights abusers.

 

[Magma]

This is like an oil cartel in that the top 6 will always vote in unison. They want to cut PL games and League cup so they can all compete in expanded CL down the track plus also do their own deals free of anyone else. They know EFL clubs are desperate and have offered this carrot.

it depends how they try and work it. so far i've only seen united and liverpool mentioned as behind it. have seen suggestions that city and spurs were against it. other suggestions have been that they'll try and work it towards teams who have been in the league the longest to try and get everton and the like on board.

 

[Zidane98]

And who is in charge of the EFL?

A board of 7 led by David Baldwin, CEO (just announced he is stepping down at the end of the year). Mostly British too.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Yeah you dont get it.

You're so offended on your new sugar daddies behalf.

I'm taking about foreign owners who don't give a fu** about the plight of lower league clubs which can be seen in plenty of changes that they bullied into action.

Why you're waffling on about fans I have no idea.

Just because some foreign owners were good for their club doesn't mean foreign owners were good for English football on the whole.

I mean look at where it is now and the proposals being put forth FFS.

If i become owner of Southampton tomorrow why should I care about lower league affairs. Southampton would be priority one.

And here you are again comparing a few English footballer owners with human rights abusers.

You’re the one ranting and raving incoherently.

Nobody likes this proposed change, including fans of clubs likely to support it. But the argument that owners like Man City’s have made English football worse is gibberish.

Rich owners have enabled more of the world’s best players to be in England, have seen the top flight go from a closed off ‘Sky 4’ to a much broader and more even competition, revenues are higher, viewerships are up. The English national team is resurgent in recent years, English clubs are performing better in European competitions.

 

[Zidane98]

EFL clubs 'will disappear in 5-6 weeks'

Some EFL clubs will "disappear within five to six weeks" unless they get financial support, says Nigel Travis, chairman of League Two Orient.

www.bbc.com

Here's a traditional british owner, with a long term connection to his club pushing for reform to see more funding go to EFL clubs.

Thoughts Bostonian ?

 

[Bostonian]

If i become owner of Southampton tomorrow why should I care about lower league affairs. Southampton would be priority one.

You’re the one ranting and raving incoherently.

Nobody likes this proposed change, including fans of clubs likely to support it. But the argument that owners like Man City’s have made English football worse is gibberish.

Rich owners have enabled more of the world’s best players to be in England, have seen the top flight go from a closed off ‘Sky 4’ to a much broader and more even competition, revenues are higher, viewerships are up. The English national team is resurgent in recent years, English clubs are performing better in European competitions.

And we're taking about the turd foreign owners who are behind this proposal.

If you became Saints owner then started proposing change that would impact lower league clubs and send many to the wall then you're the kind of campaigner I'm taking about.

Which given you're coming out defending the man City shitlords and comparing them to Ashley probably makes sense.

 

[Zidane98]

it depends how they try and work it. so far i've only seen united and liverpool mentioned as behind it. have seen suggestions that city and spurs were against it. other suggestions have been that they'll try and work it towards teams who have been in the league the longest to try and get everton and the like on board.

Spurs get 125m under the backdated payments for new stadiums built:

Exclusive: Tottenham Hotspur eligible for £125m stadium rebate under 'Project Big Picture' proposals

Telegraph Sport has seen documents which include subsidies for stadium improvements and backdated payments for historical work

www.telegraph.co.uk

Clubs that have only completed renovations like Liverpool for example only are eligible to receive 12m.


Everton could potentially receive a rebate up to half of the value of their 500m stadium.


Seems there's big incentives for clubs to build new stadiums under the current proposals.

 

[Bostonian]

EFL clubs 'will disappear in 5-6 weeks'

Some EFL clubs will "disappear within five to six weeks" unless they get financial support, says Nigel Travis, chairman of League Two Orient.

www.bbc.com

Here's a traditional british owner, with a long term connection to his club pushing for reform to see more funding go to EFL clubs.

Thoughts Bostonian ?

I think so many clubs are ****ed due to massive costs in being competitive in any league which began in earnest when the PL was first formed.

What choice do many clubs have other than to be bribed into submitting to these mega rich turd owners ceding all power to them.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Zidane98]

I think so many clubs are f’ed due to massive costs in being competitive in any league which began in earnest when the PL was first formed.

What choice do many clubs have other than to be bribed into submitting to these mega rich turd owners ceding all power to them.

Lol, foreign ownership only became a big thing in the mid 00s kick started by Abramovich and then oil money at City. Its not a PL specific thing at all.

Mayb you would be happier if the EFL didnt bother chasing more money for their clubs and left things as they are.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

And we're taking about the turd foreign owners who are behind this proposal.

If you became Saints owner then started proposing change that would impact lower league clubs and send many to the wall then you're the kind of campaigner I'm taking about.

Which given you're coming out defending the man City shitlords and comparing them to Ashley probably makes sense.

Form a coherent argument then come back to me.

 

[moomba]

Spurs get 125m under the backdated payments for new stadiums built:

Exclusive: Tottenham Hotspur eligible for £125m stadium rebate under 'Project Big Picture' proposals

Telegraph Sport has seen documents which include subsidies for stadium improvements and backdated payments for historical work

www.telegraph.co.uk

Clubs that have only completed renovations like Liverpool for example only are eligible to receive 12m.


Everton could potentially receive a rebate up to half of the value of their 500m stadium.


Seems there's big incentives for clubs to build new stadiums under the current proposals.

Big incentives for established premier league clubs.

Don't know why a West Brom for example should subsidise a stadium development that's going to strengthen the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Spurs etc.

 

[Zidane98]

Big incentives for established premier league clubs.

Don't know why a West Brom for example should subsidise a stadium development that's going to strengthen the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Spurs etc.

It's available to any club that's been in the PL for 12 of the last 15 years under the current proposal.


Heavily favours clubs that build completely new stadiums, Everton & Spurs to benefit most from this proposal.

 

[moomba]

It's available to any club that's been in the PL for 12 of the last 15 years under the current proposal.


Heavily favours clubs that build completely new stadiums, Everton & Spurs to benefit most from this proposal.

So West Brom contribute, but aren't eligible to get anything for their own developments.

I wonder how many clubs have spent 12 of the last 15 in the league.

 

[moomba]

Anyway, good to talk about the proposal, not nationalities.

A few things I read a bit about today.

First, that the balance of TV distribution would be weighted more on results, including a component for finishing position and a component for finishing position in recent years.

Second clubs can sell international rights to 8 games. That's going to hugely reduce the value of the current TV deals. Lower league clubs would want to be sure that those individual rights are included in their 25%. Suspect they won't be though.