The on topic thread 4.0

[Frank Bunn]

Academics would say race doesn't exist and thatthere's only one human race. That race was invented in order to put black people, during the slave trade and colonisation, at the bottom of a hierarchy, in order to justify exploitation.

The laws around racism in general were developed to address the unequal treatment that arises around tjat hierarchy, which puts people of colour lower than white people.

The aim of anti racial laws is to eliminate the bad consequences of white privilege that non-white people have experienced.

The purpose of the Racial Discrimination Act here in Australia is to correct historic patterns of oppression on the basis of race. Here in Oz in a case like this they would look at the intent of the law. The law was not made to protect those who are in a position of power, like say a white cop.

So you would really have f*** all chance of proving racism here for being called white. This case really is a complete joke that it’s got this far

You are shouting at clouds. Kerr's defense team hasn't run with the 'white people can't be victims of racism' line. Because the UK offense that she's charged with doesn't distinguish between different forms of racism. It is an offense to use abusive or insulting words when the offense is racially motivated. It's on video that she said to the copper, you're "****ing stupid and white". She is associating the colour of his skin with an abusive remark.

You talk about privilege. She's very wealthy from kicking a football around. In the police station she was bragging about getting the best lawyers. "I’ve got all the ****ing people in the world." Probably lawyers that you or I could not afford. And yes it does make a difference in court.

I feel sorry for the taxi driver. Late night shift. One his fares vomits in his cab and refuses to pay the clean up charge. He gets advice from the police to drive to the nearest station. Next minute his drunken passengers are kicking his vehicle windows in.

 

[SM]

You are shouting at clouds. Kerr's defense team hasn't run with the 'white people can't be victims of racism' line. Because the UK offense that she's charged with doesn't distinguish between different forms of racism. It is an offense to use abusive or insulting words when the offense is racially motivated. It's on video that she said to the copper, you're "****ing stupid and white". She is associating the colour of his skin with an abusive remark.

You talk about privilege. She's very wealthy from kicking a football around. In the police station she was bragging about getting the best lawyers. "I’ve got all the ****ing people in the world." Probably lawyers that you or I could not afford. And yes it does make a difference in court.

I feel sorry for the taxi driver. Late night shift. One his fares vomits in his cab and refuses to pay the clean up charge. He gets advice from the police to drive to the nearest station. Next minute his drunken passengers are kicking his vehicle windows in.

So why is he not the one pressing charges?

Could it be that she has already compensated him and apologised?

 

[Aussie in exile]

You do realise that drinking alcohol isn't illegal, right?

I have no idea what rabbit hole we've gone down here but again, you seem to imposing your own out dated beliefs on a society that doesn't conform with your worldview.

If she's broken the law she should have been charged at the time, but what she has been charged with has nothing/very little to do with her intoxication so I'm not entirely sure why you're fixating on that.

Off course i do, but it's clear she can't handle alcohol.
Mark my words mate, Chelsea will unload her at the first opportunity.
My views are not outdated but sensible.
She made a racist remark and said it 3 times.
She comes over as someone who doesn't think the same rules apply to her as they do everyone else.
She's not a good example for someone who captains a international sport.
She's certainly not a role model for young school girls soccer players

 

[SM]

Off course i do, but it's clear she can't handle alcohol.
Mark my words mate, Chelsea will unload her at the first opportunity.
My views are not outdated but sensible.
She made a racist remark and said it 3 times.
She comes over as someone who doesn't think the same rules apply to her as they do everyone else.
She's not a good example for someone who captains a international sport.
She's certainly not a role model for young school girls soccer players

Chelsea won't care about something as trivial as this.

It's interesting you've popped up here so passionate about this case but the multitude of cases of male players being poor role models have passed you by.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Chelsea won't care about something as trivial as this.

It's interesting you've popped up here so passionate about this case but the multitude of cases of male players being poor role models have passed you by.

John Terry likes this.

 

[moomba]

Are you suggesting every time a cop is abused in public a court case be run? The courts would be overrun, this would be absurd. The normal way this would be dealt with is by issuing a fine and warning offenders about their behavior in the future.

I think you're being disingenuous here. She is not in court for abusing a cop. If she called him a stupid bastard she wouldn't be in court.

CPS already investigated and dismissed the case in July 2023. No new evidence brought with new charges - just the police force getting involved asking again for charges to be brought against Kerr which is a clear conflict of interest. It is disturbing the coppers can be involved in bringing charges again just because one of their own is involved.

She's not contesting the evidence or denying that she used the term she's accused of using.

This is a clear misuse of the justice system. You should be concerned living in the UK. PC Lovell should have issued a fine for an offense of drunken behavior in the timeframe required to do so and be done with it. It really is a bad look for the justice system when a copper is personally asking for a case to be reopened when there are so many violent offenders getting away with crimes and / or receiving light punishments.

I'm OK thanks. Managed to get away with it all so far.

But let's go ahead and waste the justice system's time and taxpayer money on investigating a case because a copper became offended nearly 12 months after the fact. This case literally shows everything that is wrong with the UK justice system right now.

There's plenty of things wrong with the UK justice system. This case isn't high on my list.

 

[Zidane98]

I think you're being disingenuous here. She is not in court for abusing a cop. If she called him a stupid bastard she wouldn't be in court.

Yes she is. This wouldn't be looked into if a normal citizen made the same complaint. Coppers get spat at, shouted at, abused, called white maggots and all sorts of names under the sun. Normally dealt with by issuing a summary offence for said behavior and that's generally where it ends. You have to be all kinds of stupid to argue racial intent here.

She's not contesting the evidence or denying that she used the term she's accused of using.

No she isn't denying any of the evidence because only a fool is seriously arguing racial hate intent here (the standard required to charge as a hate crime).

CPS already investigated and dismissed the charges once.


No new evidence was brought with the new charges either. Just the police force pressuring the CPS on behalf of a member. Not a good look at all no matter what way you play it.

I'm OK thanks. Managed to get away with it all so far.




There's plenty of things wrong with the UK justice system. This case isn't high on my list.

Knowing plenty of coppers in Australia this sort of thing wouldn't be touched by the justice system and rightly so. Coppers can't be seen to be asking for cases that have been dismissed to go to court simply because their feelings are hurt.

It goes without saying there are far more pressing issues to deal with in the justice system than some cop's hurt feelings.

 

[moomba]

Ah, so it's just a case of hurt feelings now. You should have made that clear from the start.

 

[SM]

Ah, so it's just a case of hurt feelings now. You should have made that clear from the start.

I mean, yes, it's the cop pressing charges because of distress she caused him. Literally hurt feelings.

 

[Zidane98]

Ah, so it's just a case of hurt feelings now. You should have made that clear from the start.

Literally what the case is, yes.


PC Lovell even asked the CPS to press charges again after they were dismissed in July 2023. And gave different testimony to what he gave in the first investigation. If that doesn't ring alarm bells nothing will.


Do you believe PC Lovell would have been better off issuing SK with a fine for offensive behavior in a public place?

 

[Zidane98]

PC Lovell did give testimony that he felt "upset & belittled". Sounds like hurt feelings to me.

 

[moomba]

Literally what the case is, yes.


PC Lovell even asked the CPS to press charges again after they were dismissed in July 2023. And gave different testimony to what he gave in the first investigation. If that doesn't ring alarm bells nothing will.


Do you believe PC Lovell would have been better off issuing SK with a fine for offensive behavior in a public place?

We should remember that the cop isn't on trial here.

I presume the police have guidelines, and I'm happy for those guidelines to be followed.

No problems with the courts deciding if an offence has been committed or not.

 

[SM]

We should remember that the cop isn't on trial here.

I presume the police have guidelines, and I'm happy for those guidelines to be followed.

No problems with the courts deciding if an offence has been committed or not.

No but the cop is the basis for the charges, so his hurt feelings are the motivating factor for the case.

Those guidelines were followed when it was determined the incident didn't meet the threshold for charges to be pressed until he altered his statement after the fact. While he's not on trial, his version of events is.

 

[Zidane98]

We should remember that the cop isn't on trial here.

I presume the police have guidelines, and I'm happy for those guidelines to be followed.

No problems with the courts deciding if an offence has been committed or not

You didn't answer the question. Do you believe PC Lovell should have issued an offence & fine at the time?

 

[moomba]

You didn't answer the question. Do you believe PC Lovell should have issued an offence & fine at the time?

I dont know the full circumstances and havent seen any footage, so not in a place to say.

I also don't know what the police guidelines are, I can imagine that issuing fines when there is a racial element involved might be frowned upon.

 

[Cruyff14]

My 2 sons don't drink alcohol since they have passed their driving tests.
Its called education

Hahaha what the **** is this.

Having your license suddenly doesn't mean you can't drink at all, ever.

 

[jd2010]

Hahaha what the **** is this.

Having your license suddenly doesn't mean you can't drink at all, ever.

Probably shouldn't be drinking before having a drivers license either

Some real ordinary self control if you can't drink and know not to drink and drive, probably learnt poor behaviours from signficant influences in their life

 

[Cruyff14]

Probably shouldn't be drinking before having a drivers license either

Some real ordinary self control if you can't drink and know not to drink and drive, probably learnt poor behaviours from signficant influences in their life

Indeed.

Absolute rubbish post and way of thinking. Totally stupid.

 

[Zidane98]

I dont know the full circumstances and havent seen any footage, so not in a place to say.

I also don't know what the police guidelines are, I can imagine that issuing fines when there is a racial element involved might be frowned upon.

Your desperation to play down the misuse of the justice system is obvious to see here.

My brother in law is a custody officer in UK. He regularly gets headbutted, spat on, and yes reminded many times by offenders that he's a white person.


This happens regularly with CPS taking no action.

Clearly in this case egos here demanded the cps bring charges again, after they were dismissed with the alleged offender being a high profile female soccer player.

If you want to support that behaviour good for you.

 

[moomba]

Yes I'm happy to support any police officer that believes someone has broken a law of the land, and wants to pursue the matter though the courts.

Then the courts can decide whether an offence has been committed or not.

It's the way a justice system should work.

 

[SM]

It's a nice idea in theory if we can assume the police never use the power of the law to their advantage and manipulate things to suit them.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Has the ethnicity of the cab driver been revealed? Many UK cabbies are from the Indian subcontinent or Africa. This seems like a strange thing for Kerr to say. Possibly racist, sexist and job snobbery.

"He’s a ****ing liar and they’re listening to some ****ing black taxi man. A black cab or whatever they’re called, white taxi man, or whatever they’re called — over us two women."

 

[SM]

Has the ethnicity of the cab driver been revealed? Many UK cabbies are from the Indian subcontinent or Africa. This seems like a strange thing for Kerr to say. Possibly racist, sexist and job snobbery.

"He’s a ****ing liar and they’re listening to some ****ing black taxi man. A black cab or whatever they’re called, white taxi man, or whatever they’re called — over us two women."

?

 

[Zidane98]

Yes I'm happy to support any police officer that believes someone has broken a law of the land, and wants to pursue the matter though the courts.

Then the courts can decide whether an offence has been committed or not.

It's the way a justice system should work.

So in other words everytime a court dismissed a case involving them they have the right to personally ask it be heard again.

This post also indicates that police are considered more important than the every day person in the justice system. Imagine the justice system being tied up with this nonsense, you're talking thousands of cases potentially. I have experience with this knowing a custody officer personally who I may add believes the Lovell case is frivolous and borderline malicious with the alleged victim being a policeman and the alleged victim being a high profile female sports person clearly being factors.

 

[RPCB]

That Frank post wins rant of the day.