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[Zidane98]

Speaking to a mate about it, where to next for Rodgers?

I think he'd be best served at an ambitious Championship club more than a cellar dwellar like a Villa or Newcastle who have the genuine threat of relegation looming. That would be a career killer for the gofer IMO.

Being linked with England job. Would be a huge upgrade on Woy. England need to change their style badly and it just won't happen with the owl in charge.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Rodgers needs to do an apprenticeship. Would be good for him to learn under Sir Teddy of Sheringham.

 

[Sozabarus]

I think Spain could be an option for Rodgers. At the end of the day he's not a bad manager and I think if a job came up at a mid-table La Liga side then Rodgers is someone they'd look at. Plus he speaks Spanish which helps.

Going from a top 6 PL side to a bottom 6 PL side would be a dent to the ego so perhaps doing what Moyes has done and stepping away from the spotlight of the British media would be the best thing for him.

 

[Thistle]

Being linked with England job. Would be a huge upgrade on Woy. England need to hang their style badly and it just won't happen with the owl in charge.

England just won every game in their group, scoring 31 and conceding 3. Roy has his critics but that's bloody impressive no matter the strength of the opposition. The real test will be next year but what he's just done has been very under appreciated.

 

[Zidane98]

England just won every game in their group, scoring 31 and conceding 3. Roy has his critics but that's bloody impressive no matter the strength of the opposition. The real test will be next year but what he's just done has been very under appreciated.

England's group was a joke. Woy's tactics will ser them get nowhere at Euro 16. They also dominated Brazil 14 qualifying. If the FA want to develop the national team they need to hire someone who plays modern football, not 4-4-2 hoof ball.

 

[Cooldude]

I hope Woy manages England for another 30 years

 

[jd2010]

No way Rodgers should be given another unwarranted promotion to the England job! If anything his predecessor at Swansea should be looked at if the job was available

 

[Magma]

should be noted moyes is struggling something horrid with sociedad. 1 win in 7, conceded 3 in a game to malaga, who previously had not scored at all prior to that game. dont see any spanish clubs taking a punt on another mediocre uk manager for a while.

 

[Fryer Tuck]

No way Rodgers should be given another unwarranted promotion to the England job! If anything his predecessor at Swansea should be looked at if the job was available

You mean Sousa? Granted he has won titles in Switzerland and Israel ever since leaving us, but I don't think he would be the right choice for England.

I always felt that Sousa and Rodgers did have some tactics about them, but I never felt that they could really develop a club or culture. After we took Sousa (and he failed horribly), Rodgers took the team that was built up by Martinez (before Sousa) and got them the promotion. Rodgers did well for Liverpool in his second season, but where he failed was when he needed to develop the team to keep them in the top 4, which was important considering the last few years. He didn't transfer properly, and failed to capitalise on the situation before Liverpool dropped out again.

Sousa's the same thing. I feel that an uninjured England does have the right stuff to succeed, but I still feel the culture is not the right one, and I don't think Sousa's that guy. England need someone to turn the culture of the club around and set the tone, I don't think either Sousa or Rodgers are the guys for England. Give them a Champion team, and I'm sure they'll bring home the gold (Sousa at least is proving that), but not to turn around England (His English isn't that good either).

 

[jd2010]

You mean Sousa? Granted he has won titles in Switzerland and Israel ever since leaving us, but I don't think he would be the right choice for England.

I always felt that Sousa and Rodgers did have some tactics about them, but I never felt that they could really develop a club or culture. After we took Sousa (and he failed horribly), Rodgers took the team that was built up by Martinez (before Sousa) and got them the promotion. Rodgers did well for Liverpool in his second season, but where he failed was when he needed to develop the team to keep them in the top 4, which was important considering the last few years. He didn't transfer properly, and failed to capitalise on the situation before Liverpool dropped out again.

Sousa's the same thing. I feel that an uninjured England does have the right stuff to succeed, but I still feel the culture is not the right one, and I don't think Sousa's that guy. England need someone to turn the culture of the club around and set the tone, I don't think either Sousa or Rodgers are the guys for England. Give them a Champion team, and I'm sure they'll bring home the gold (Sousa at least is proving that), but not to turn around England (His English isn't that good either).

Wrongly meant successor not predecessor. But then I forgot that was Laudrup and not Monk who I was thinking of

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Wrongly meant successor not predecessor. But then I forgot that was Laudrup and not Monk who is what I was thinking of

So you really made a mess of this

 

[jd2010]

So you really made a mess of this

Completely botched it. Monk for England or one of the assistants under Roy the only way to go I think

 

[Fryer Tuck]

Wrongly meant successor not predecessor. But then I forgot that was Laudrup and not Monk who is what I was thinking of

Ah, fair enough.

Monk's doing good so far, but I think he might be too raw for the position. We'll see what Swansea do this season. I'm not convinced that he can do the national job... yet. He's got a great future ahead of him, that's for sure.

England's group was a joke. Woy's tactics will ser them get nowhere at Euro 16. They also dominated Brazil 14 qualifying. If the FA want to develop the national team they need to hire someone who plays modern football, not 4-4-2 hoof ball.

That's 4-3-3 defensive, maybe 4-2-3-1 if you like. Their build-up is so slow. How can a team with so many direct players play a style that is not suited to them? It might be English pride that makes them stick to it, but possession football is a dying thing these days. It's how efficient and productive you can be. It's stale and it's not going to take you far in the knockouts.

Funnily enough I knew who you were referring to the first time

I thought I did too, but then remembered that Sousa was also 'successful' at Swansea, and has actually won titles. He would've mentioned Monk otherwise.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Completely botched it. Monk for England or one of the assistants under Roy the only way to go I think

Funnily enough I knew who you were referring to the first time

 

[Sozabarus]

If the FA appoint another British manager then the front runner has to be Pardew which would be great value. His smugness level would go into overdrive.

 

[jd2010]

Ah, fair enough.

Monk's doing good so far, but I think he might be too raw for the position. We'll see what Swansea do this season. I'm not convinced that he can do the national job... yet. He's got a great future ahead of him, that's for sure.

Just think he is best of a very short list. Don't think Rodgers should move up after his Liverpool stint. There's not a lot of British managers banging down the door for the job in fairness. FA stuffed up not giving it to Redknapp in the 1st place. He would have taken Rodgers with him as assistant and would have brought some forward planning and fun to the national team which is severely lacking!

 

[Magma]

monk really has something about him, which you wouldn't think just looking at him, laudrup was a mega fraud.

in my view monk should stay at swansea for 10+ years, circumstances providing. you dont get many chances to become an absolute legend of a club.

 

[jd2010]

If the FA appoint another British manager then the front runner has to be Pardew which would be great value. His smugness level would go into overdrive.

Palace would demand a fortune since he is on a long contract. Think he doesn't mind the long-term vision the club is showing him there

 

[ADL9798]

Speaking to a mate about it, where to next for Rodgers?

I think he'd be best served at an ambitious Championship club more than a cellar dwellar like a Villa or Newcastle who have the genuine threat of relegation looming. That would be a career killer for the gofer IMO.

He's been there and done that. There's nothing really to be gained by him showing yet again that he can take a Championship club, get them playing an attractive brand of football and take them from mid-table in the Championship to being cemented in the Premier League in 2 seasons.

He'll have a few months off to review his time at Liverpool and work out where he needs to improve, and in my opinion it'll either be the England job next summer (maybe before depending how ruthless the FA are feeling) or he'll end up in Spain.

As for England's record in the Euro qualifiers, they do this every single major tournament. Blitz the qualifying rounds against an assortment of minnows drawn from International football's equivalent of the second division, scrape through the group stage before their primitive tactics see them wiped off the park by the first half decent side they come up against.

England topping Group E with 10 straight wins over San Marino, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia & Switzerland tells us very little about Hodgson's calibre as an international manager. His record against sides ranked in the top 20 (ie the teams you need to beat to progress past the group stages in any major tournament) is telling: 2 wins (both in friendlies), 4 draws, 4 losses.

 

[jd2010]

He's been there and done that. There's nothing really to be gained by him showing yet again that he can take a Championship club, get them playing an attractive brand of football and take them from mid-table in the Championship to being cemented in the Premier League in 2 seasons.

He'll have a few months off to review his time at Liverpool and work out where he needs to improve, and in my opinion it'll either be the England job next summer (maybe before depending how ruthless the FA are feeling) or he'll end up in Spain.

As for England's record in the Euro qualifiers, they do this every single major tournament. Blitz the qualifying rounds against an assortment of minnows drawn from International football's equivalent of the second division, scrape through the group stage before their primitive tactics see them wiped off the park by the first half decent side they come up against.

England topping Group E with 10 straight wins over San Marino, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia & Switzerland tells us very little about Hodgson's calibre as an international manager. His record against sides ranked in the top 20 (ie the teams you need to beat to progress past the group stages in any major tournament) is telling: 2 wins (both in friendlies), 4 draws, 4 losses.

What makes you think he deserves the England job? He has just been sacked for not achieving goals in his first big job. Surely the FA cant be that stupid to ignore that and just look at his SAS days

 

[ADL9798]

What makes you think he deserves the England job? He has just been sacked for not achieving goals in his first big job. Surely the FA cant be that stupid to ignore that and just look at his SAS days

I never said he deserves it. There are plenty of fantastic candidates out there, and I doubt he'll be the one with the best CV when the FA draw up their list. All I said was that I think that's what's going to happen.

In his defence, Liverpool have had 4 title challenges in the last 25 years, and he was at the helm for our closest run while playing the best football I've seen at Anfield since the days of Dalglish, Barnes & Beardsley.

His failings are obvious and well documented, but his successes can't be ignored when assessing his performance as Liverpool manager. Like I said the other day, if jumping from 7th and 30 pts off the pace to taking the title race to the final day within 12 months was such an easy feat to accomplish then Rodgers wouldn't have been the first to achieve it, and as has been discussed numerous times in here - Suarez was also playing great football when we were shite 12 months earlier so obviously it can't all be down to him. Rodgers wasn't a raging success as Liverpool manager, but he wasn't a total failure as many are making him out to be.

As I said, there are probably better credentialed options out there but I don't think Rodgers would be a bad choice by the FA, and my prediction is that rightly or wrongly he's the one they'll go with.

 

[jd2010]

I never said he deserves it. There are plenty of fantastic candidates out there, and I doubt he'll be the one with the best CV when the FA draw up their list. All I said was that I think that's what's going to happen.

In his defence, Liverpool have had 4 title challenges in the last 25 years, and he was at the helm for our closest run while playing the best football I've seen at Anfield since the days of Dalglish, Barnes & Beardsley.

His failings are obvious and well documented, but his successes can't be ignored when assessing his performance as Liverpool manager. Like I said the other day, if jumping from 7th and 30 pts off the pace to taking the title race to the final day within 12 months was such an easy feat to accomplish then Rodgers wouldn't have been the first to achieve it, and as has been discussed numerous times in here - Suarez was also playing great football when we were shite 12 months earlier so obviously it can't all be down to him. Rodgers wasn't a raging success as Liverpool manager, but he wasn't a total failure as many are making him out to be.

As I said, there are probably better credentialed options out there but I don't think Rodgers would be a bad choice by the FA, and my prediction is that rightly or wrongly he's the one they'll go with.

Oh I thought you meant he was the best for the job. I agree I can see the media getting behind it a bit and the FA going with him. They have precedent for not picking the right man so it really wouldn't be a shock. Think if they do go for him they'll be charmed by his long-term view on changing the way the game is played by the national team. Will that get them a WC or Euro trophy I dont think so, but it's the FA. They somehow picked a useless journeyman like Roy so who knows with them

 

[Zidane98]

They picked Woy because nobody else wanted the job and he plays it safe.

 

[chef]

Didnt arry want the job?

 

[jod23]

He's a massive upgrade on Woy so that would be a plus for England. I think the best thing for Rodgers in the England job is that one of his weaknesses as a manager would not impact him. That's in the transfer market. He's not the best in the transfer market but that would be irrelevant when in the England job.