The on topic thread

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Talks about going straight to penalties after 90 minutes since extra time is always so dull. What was wrong with Golden Goal, why'd they get rid of it?

 

[NTRabbit]

It's becoming pretty clear that the loan system needs an overhaul

 

[moomba]

I don't necessarily see a problem. We've got a heap of kids that just aren't ready to play regularly in our team, but need senior football. For them loans are a fantastic development, and even if they don't make it with us it gives them a good grounding in a professional football club. Also loans as a way of minimising the wages paid to players that just aren't getting a game. Ideally you would sell them but that's harder than it seems at the moment.

The ones I think could be looked at are where clubs buy a player and loan him straight out. I've said before I reckon you should have to keep a player at least a year after purchase before loaning them out.

When it comes down to it football decided that FFP was a good thing, and Chelsea's system of loans has helped them achieve that. Can't blame them, and no-one is holding a gun to peoples heads.

 

[NTRabbit]

Those 38 players all belong to Chelsea, and the majority of them were bought and immediately loaned. That's enough for two squads, on top of the 27 man squad they already have.

FFP may have created it, but that doesn't mean the loan system doesn't need looking at.

 

[moomba]

Quite a few youth players on that list, I don't know how anyone could complain about them getting opportunities in senior football. They've certainly had a good grounding in the youth teams at Chelsea, and I think a loan move is a logical step for a lot of them.

One rule I've mentioned before is that if players over a certain age (maybe 23) aren't given a spot on their parents club 25 man list they get automatically released from their contract. Maybe have a tribunal assess compensation due when they sign with a new club.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Lol everything comes back to FFP with Moomba. I can't believe anyone seriously thinks that financial restrictions weren't required - otherwise it would all come down to who had the richest oil sheik. I guess you can understand why Moomba is so deadset against it

 

[Magma]

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Lol everything comes back to FFP with Moomba. I can't believe anyone seriously thinks that financial restrictions weren't required - otherwise it would all come down to who had the richest oil sheik. I guess you can understand why Moomba is so deadset against it

I actually enjoy his opinions on FFP. Don't lie most of us would be up for our own big spender. We have a tightarse billionaire.
Most voice concerns over the loan system too. That screenshot of Chelsea is insane and rightly even if it's only on here questions are getting asked.

 

[go you pups]

Man City has affiliated teams on different continents, imo it's a good use of the loan system what they do.

Chelsea on the otherhand.......

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I actually enjoy his opinions on FFP. Don't lie most of us would be up for our own big spender.

Where would the fun be in that. I enjoy doing things the hard way. Feels like you earnt something.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Where would the fun be in that. I enjoy doing things the hard way. Feels like you earnt something.

Sometimes if you can't beat them you may have to join them. Not the most palatable of options. Just hope it would be a reputable source of funds, which can't always be assured....

 

[moomba]

Lol everything comes back to FFP with Moomba. I can't believe anyone seriously thinks that financial restrictions weren't required - otherwise it would all come down to who had the richest oil sheik. I guess you can understand why Moomba is so deadset against it

The point was that you can't demand that clubs only spend what they earn and not expect them to gind ways of earning more money, or trying to get younger, cheaper players in before the are stars.

Buy 10 sixteen year olds for a couple of million each. One of them comes good and you've saved yourself some money.

The consequence is your club is full of talented players that you don't want to get rid of in case they come good. Loan them out, get a fee and a percentage of their wage paid while they're developing. It's a no brainer.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

The point was that you can't demand that clubs only spend what they earn and not expect them to gind ways of earning more money, or trying to get younger, cheaper players in before the are stars.

Buy 10 sixteen year olds for a couple of million each. One of them comes good and you've saved yourself some money.

There has to be a balance, a line. I don't think FFP is designed to stop clubs growing - that would be wrong. You have to be prepared to grow somewhat naturally though, and City have been doing that under the Sheik in recent years. What wasn't fair was a club suddenly having 100's of millions to spend straight from their owners pocket.

 

[Magma]

when on earth was sport fair?

 

[moomba]

There has to be a balance, a line. I don't think FFP is designed to stop clubs growing - that would be wrong. You have to be prepared to grow somewhat naturally though, and City have been doing that under the Sheik in recent years. What wasn't fair was a club suddenly having 100's of millions to spend straight from their owners pocket.

One of the ways we've been able to grow the club is the £30-55m plus we've received each year from UEFA for getting in the champions league. Add in the extra TV money, premier league prize money and sponsorship money we've been able to get from being a club on the top rather than a club hoping to one day get there.

 

[go you pups]

Here we go again

 

[moomba]

It's been a while.

 

[chef]

Those 38 players all belong to Chelsea, and the majority of them were bought and immediately loaned. That's enough for two squads, on top of the 27 man squad they already have.

FFP may have created it, but that doesn't mean the loan system doesn't need looking at.

Im not a fan of the system but the majority of that list have come through the academy and had been at the club for 3-5-10 seasons before going out on loan.

 

[Jatz]

Where would the fun be in that. I enjoy doing things the hard way. Feels like you earnt something.

That's certainly how it felt at Leicester.

Can't do it that way if you want sustained success though I don't think.

 

[Cooldude]

I don't have an opinion either way but the "sports isn't fair" therefore it justifies exploitation argument is a very bad one

 

[Fryer Tuck]

Talks about going straight to penalties after 90 minutes since extra time is always so dull. What was wrong with Golden Goal, why'd they get rid of it?

Because it encouraged defensive and turgid football, ensuring that one side doesn't concede. Heaven help if you're in a big final and the golden goal in question was offside! Also, what would happen if one team strongly benefited from a tailwind?

At least in the neutral format, it usually would play as normal (unless the team in question is an absolute minnow, holding on for dear life). Golden Goal saw more downsides then up when gunning for it.





Also, is it me, or those the 'On Topic' thread look weird without the Part 2 next to it like the 'Off Topic' thread?

 

[SM]

Jose, Conte, Pep and Phelan nominated for manager of the month.

Sterling, Valencia, Hazard and Davies nominated for player of the month.

Pep probably deserves manager of the month, and perhaps Valencia, but I don't think it'd be shocking if Phelan and/or Davies won their respective awards, which is a huge credit to both of them.

 

[moomba]

Jose and Sterling is my bet.

 

[SM]

I'm thinking Conte and Hazard the more I think about it.

 

[Magma]

it's a twitter vote, so alexis sanchez has already won it.