The Pavlich question

[just maybe]

If Fremantle have another average season and Pavlich decides he wants to come home, should we chase him?

What would he require? Could we perhaps offload say, Burton and another player for a couple of first round picks?

As good as we've been, it would help us so much more to have a power forward like Pavlich who is blue-chip reliable.

Of course, age and cost must be taken into account. Thoughts?

 

[bluecrow]

We should definitely go after Pav. I really doubt it could ever happen, but it's a nice thought! I think we'd have to throw in say Johncock, along with Burton for them to even consider it. Or swap these guys draft picks, as you said.

Rhett Biglands was on Before The Game last night as was asked this very question. Said he would love to have Pav at the Crows, but that he seems happy at Freo. They asked him if he would take a pay cut to get Pav, and he laughed, ie no.

 

[ricciuto]

If Fremantle have another average season and Pavlich decides he wants to come home, should we chase him?

What would he require? Could we perhaps offload say, Burton and another player for a couple of first round picks?

As good as we've been, it would help us so much more to have a power forward like Pavlich who is blue-chip reliable.

Of course, age and cost must be taken into account. Thoughts?

I would not let Burton go, he is one of the best players in the compettion.
I would chase after Pav, as he still is young, but i wouldnt know who to trade for him.

 

[FCAGJAT]

If Fremantle have another average season and Pavlich decides he wants to come home, should we chase him?

What would he require? Could we perhaps offload say, Burton and another player for a couple of first round picks?

As good as we've been, it would help us so much more to have a power forward like Pavlich who is blue-chip reliable.

Of course, age and cost must be taken into account. Thoughts?

Can't see us trading Burton for Pav .. He has been so integral towards our team structure but then again I suppose that it would require a huge sacrificial lamb to get the Pav. I honestly don't know who I would trade either but Burton would definitely hurt if he was to be traded.

 

[crowsarethebest]

I would not let Burton go, he is one of the best players in the compettion.
I would chase after Pav, as he still is young, but i wouldnt know who to trade for him.

He's 25/26 this year I think which is around 7 more years of him left. Worth it?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Anyone who says we shouldn't go after Pavlich if he is available is not fair dinkum about us winning a flag.

If we do go after him one thing is for certain, one of the higher paid players would have to be moved on in ordder to accomodate Pavlich in our salary cap.

 

[- PC -]

If we do go after him one thing is for certain, one of the higher paid players would have to be moved on in ordder to accomodate Pavlich in our salary cap.

McLeod is coming out of contract soon

 

[crowie]

Anyone who says we shouldn't go after Pavlich if he is available is not fair dinkum about us winning a flag.

If we do go after him one thing is for certain, one of the higher paid players would have to be moved on in ordder to accomodate Pavlich in our salary cap.

Any veteren's list players coming up?

 

[Kenny_01]

He's 25/26 this year I think which is around 7 more years of him left. Worth it?

Pav is 24, 25 in December.

 

[Stiffy_18]

McLeod is coming out of contract soon

He is close to signing

 

[CrowMagnum]

I would not let Burton go, he is one of the best players in the compettion.
I would chase after Pav, as he still is young, but i wouldnt know who to trade for him.

How about Ken McGregor as part of the package - still highly rated by other clubs despite his limitations, and would be the ultimate irony.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

How about Ken McGregor as part of the package - still highly rated by other clubs despite his limitations, and would be the ultimate irony.

Nope.... aparantly he's on our untouchable list and rate in the same class as Macleod, Roo and Goody

 

[finbarr]

Is Pavlich out of contract at season's end? If so, the way we're going, we'll get him for nothing in the pre-season draft.

 

[Stiffy_18]

According to Biglands, he is

How come Biglands mentioned it

 

[Cap]

Anyone who says we shouldn't go after Pavlich if he is available is not fair dinkum about us winning a flag.

If we do go after him one thing is for certain, one of the higher paid players would have to be moved on in ordder to accomodate Pavlich in our salary cap.

there is two parts I have issues with here stiffy

I don't think we should go after Pav , and I am fair dinkum about winning a flag - why waste more draft picks and young players in persuit of a bandaid

if you are fair dinkum about winning a flag you know its about structure and developing a player none of this lets recruit a star to win the flag for us (ie The Wayne)

NC is fair dinkum about winning a flag but he realises that it doesn't happen over night - the only reason we are not in the same boat as Port is because we have been smart and started redeveloping our list while 4-5 of our guns are still in their prime - we are going to win a flag but Roo and co won't be the people winning it - they will the ones who finish the job

 

[pinkus maximus]

I know you guys might laugh at this suggestion,but Pavlich + rd1 pick for Van Berlo?

 

[Stiffy_18]

there is two parts I have issues with here stiffy

I don't think we should go after Pav , and I am fair dinkum about winning a flag - why waste more draft picks and young players in persuit of a bandaid

if you are fair dinkum about winning a flag you know its about structure and developing a player none of this lets recruit a star to win the flag for us (ie The Wayne)

NC is fair dinkum about winning a flag but he realises that it doesn't happen over night - the only reason we are not in the same boat as Port is because we have been smart and started redeveloping our list while 4-5 of our guns are still in their prime - we are going to win a flag but Roo and co won't be the people winning it - they will the ones who finish the job

I disagree strongly with this.

Its funny how people always bring up the Carey trade and ask haven't we learnt anything from it. How about bringing up a Jarman trade that also involved a great young player AND draft picks. Do any of you have regrets there.

Pavlich is hardly a bandaid solution as you say. He is 24 FFS, he isn't a 32 year old Carey. Pavlich is yet to reach his peak. Some of you are making sound like he is in a wheelchair

You can have structure and what ever for as long as you like but over the years its proven that teams with gun key forward are the ones that win the big one. We won't develop one of those because our picks are not good enough to pinch one of that caliber. Our best bet is to trade for on.

Just for the record, Barry Hall was older when Sydney traded for him and I am sure that they haven't got a single ounce of regret for pulling the trigger then. They would do that trade million times over again.

Fact is that we have a 2 year window of opportunity to win something. As much as we are an even side, we still heavily rely on our big guns to lead the way. Goodwin and Edwards are our prime movers from our midfield, McLeod from our defence and Roo is our leading goal kicker. We can't expect these boys to have same level of performance. They will start to slow down and become bits players. We need to strike while the iron is hot and thats over the next 2 years. Miss this opportunity and it will be a while since we are there again. That is the cold hard truth about where we are.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I know you guys might laugh at this suggestion,but Pavlich + rd1 pick for Van Berlo?

Van Berlo > God
Van Berlo is the man that evicted Big Brother from Big Brother.

So the answer is no

 

[macca23]

You can have structure and what ever for as long as you like but over the years its proven that teams with gun key forward are the ones that win the big one. We won't develop one of those because our picks are not good enough to pinch one of that caliber. Our best bet is to trade for on.

Just to ilustrate your point Stiffy, I went to the Port/Brisbane fiasco today, and Brown and Bradshaw both pantsed Port Adelaide today.

If we had those 2 as our key forwards we'd kick 50 goals per game (a slight exaggeration maybe ).

 

[NikkiNoo]

Just to ilustrate your point Stiffy, I went to the Port/Brisbane fiasco today, and Brown and Bradshaw both pantsed Port Adelaide today.

If we had those 2 as our key forwards we'd kick 50 goals per game (a slight exaggeration maybe ).

unless you had the opposition dropping FOUR players back into your forward line ala richmond! Still can't believe the booing from their own supporters about that style of play

I would say go after pavlich but for the right price.

I don't mind when we give a win / win situation in the trade but that Van Berlo is a keeper, one of a couple of players that actually fronted to the aftermatch function in melbourne last night

 

[Stiffy_18]

Just to ilustrate your point Stiffy, I went to the Port/Brisbane fiasco today, and Brown and Bradshaw both pantsed Port Adelaide today.

If we had those 2 as our key forwards we'd kick 50 goals per game (a slight exaggeration maybe ).

I'd be happy with only Brown.

Brown and Bradshaw would be, pants down and lap around the table time

 

[Alex99]

I am also fair dinkum (and don’t want to go over old ground as we has this argument/discussion this morning) about winning a premiership ASAP.

I believe that going after Mathew Pavlich will set our premierships plans back a few years as we will have to give up to much as Fremantle will be asking for a truck load in return. I don’t want to miss that window to win another flag for the likes of Ricciuto, Hart, Goodwin, Edwards, McLeod who with a 3rd would top of a few fantastic careers

Saying that, if we snag the premiership this year (and I am not getting ahead of myself) then I would go and chase him and would be willing to give up Marty’s farm to get him. And we can have another shot in 3 or 4 year with the likes of Douglas, Knights, Van Berlo and co with Rutten and Pavlich in there prime.

 

[finbarr]

Just to ilustrate your point Stiffy, I went to the Port/Brisbane fiasco today, and Brown and Bradshaw both pantsed Port Adelaide today.

If we had those 2 as our key forwards we'd kick 50 goals per game (a slight exaggeration maybe ).

Only if you came up against Matthew Bishop 22 times a year.

 

[raikkonen]

Only if you came up against Matthew Bishop 22 times a year.

Hahaha. Bishop sucks.

Pavlich for Scott Stevens and some early picks???

 

[raikkonen]

Van Berlo > God
Van Berlo is the man that evicted Big Brother from Big Brother.

So the answer is no

Thats good. LOL