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[gringo2011]

There is a pretty good reason it's pasturisef

I know but it's deliciously dangerous.

 

[bergholt]

Goats milk is better IMO expensive though

Yeah I switched to goats milk a few years ago, never going back

 

[BigPowerForward]

I love goat cheese, not a fan of the milk, it's quite an acquired taste. I really only like milk in coffee but like it to be right. Not sure latte with goat milk would be great. In the snow the barista was hocking butter coffee. Says it's a big insta trend. Was going to try it and saw them serve one and changed my mind.

I love cheese. One of life's great pleasures

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I love goat cheese, not a fan of the milk, it's quite an acquired taste. I really only like milk in coffee but like it to be right. Not sure latte with goat milk would be great. In the snow the barista was hocking butter coffee. Says it's a big insta trend. Was going to try it and saw them serve one and changed my mind.

Been frying a bit of haloumi cheese lately. Aldi often have it cheap. Never liked non flavoured milk. Eventually used soy on serial because it didn't have that real milky flavor

 

[BigPowerForward]

Been frying a bit of haloumi cheese lately. Aldi often have it cheap. Never liked non flavoured milk. Eventually used soy on serial because it didn't have that real milky flavor

The cheeses at aldi are very very good

 

[Dard Ball Get]

There is a pretty good reason it's pasturised.

Tis true, should have specified they cold press it. As close to straight from the beast while staying safe.

 

[DougalHoward]

I love goat cheese, not a fan of the milk, it's quite an acquired taste. I really only like milk in coffee but like it to be right. Not sure latte with goat milk would be great. In the snow the barista was hocking butter coffee. Says it's a big insta trend. Was going to try it and saw them serve one and changed my mind.

Wouldn't say it's aquired I liked It the first time I tasted it, its a bit sour.

Think it goes well in coffee personally

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Tis true, should have specified they cold press it. As close to straight from the beast while staying safe.

So the dairy equivalent to Carlton tank beer.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Toyota reads Big Footy

 

[Sully111]

So i've started looking into the voice referendum with a view to making an informed decision.

To be honest, given my limited knowledge on the subject gained from what i've seen in the press etc, my first inclination is to vote yes.

But I want to look a little deeper.

I found this article which seems to say the main reason for voting no is to do with the term "on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples". That this will include all matters as all matters can relate to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders.

Here's the article

Voice- The Case for Voting NO | Rule of Law Education Centre

www.ruleoflaw.org.au

Here is an article in favour of the yes vote

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/reasons-you-can-just-vote-yes-and-get-on-with-your-lives/news-story/8a6c51eff216461404389264cd4d16a9

 

[phantom13]

Toyota reads Big Footy

What on earth is the point of this…

I have seen some of those tiny ass pickups and they just look absurd.

 

[CursingFijian]

So i've started looking into the voice referendum with a view to making an informed decision.

To be honest, given my limited knowledge on the subject gained from what i've seen in the press etc, my first inclination is to vote yes.

But I want to look a little deeper.

I found this article which seems to say the main reason for voting no is to do with the term "on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples". That this will include all matters as all matters can relate to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders.

Here's the article

Voice- The Case for Voting NO | Rule of Law Education Centre

www.ruleoflaw.org.au

Here is an article in favour of the yes vote

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/reasons-you-can-just-vote-yes-and-get-on-with-your-lives/news-story/8a6c51eff216461404389264cd4d16a9

That Rule of Law institute looks shady as ****.

Their latest financial declarations show $11.00 revenue and $120.00 expenses.

Apparently still running off a $400,000 donation from the Lowy family of Westfield fame. Run by a tax accounting firm with contributions from Chris Merritt, a George Pell apologist, anti ICAC campaigning, Scott Morrisson aligned, liberal spruiker.

The people running this institution are also affiliated with the ‘Parables of The Bible Public Fund’ whose latest financials declare $3.00 revenue and $1,000,000 in expenses.

I honestly shudder when I think that THEIR VOICE is being used to inform people.

This is really on point though. It’s yet another example of RICH people actively engaging in obfuscation to suit their own agenda.

Who is funding the ‘mysterious’ Rule of Law Institute?

The Lowy family and Sydney law firm Speed and Stracey Lawyers have provided “ongoing support” to a related body previously known as the Magna Carta Institute.

www.afr.com

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Toyota reads Big Footy

They love these sorts of vehicles. The development is easy (ford spent far less developing the ranger/Everest than they did on territory ). And will probably sell them for more than corolla. Especially the ones with rollbar and bullbar.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What on earth is the point of this…

I have seen some of those tiny ass pickups and they just look absurd.

Old Subaru and protons are still around. Actually pretty handy for people who need a cheap to run basic ute. Datsun1200 utes are collector's items. Suzuki mighty boy. No

 

[gringo2011]

What on earth is the point of this…

I have seen some of those tiny ass pickups and they just look absurd.

I saw a guy driving a vintage Suzuki one the other day. You'd have struggled to put a bag of shopping in the bed of it. It seemed to defy logic.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

That Rule of Law institute looks shady as *.

Their latest financial declarations show $11.00 revenue and $120.00 expenses.

Apparently still running off a $400,000 donation from the Lowy family of Westfield fame. Run by a tax accounting firm with contributions from Chris Merritt, a George Pell apologist, anti ICAC campaigning, Scott Morrisson aligned, liberal spruiker.

The people running this institution are also affiliated with the ‘Parables of The Bible Public Fund’ whose latest financials declare $3.00 revenue and $1,000,000 in expenses.

I honestly shudder when I think that THEIR VOICE is being used to inform people.

This is really on point though. It’s yet another example of RICH people actively engaging in obfuscation to suit their own agenda.

Who is funding the ‘mysterious’ Rule of Law Institute?

The Lowy family and Sydney law firm Speed and Stracey Lawyers have provided “ongoing support” to a related body previously known as the Magna Carta Institute.

www.afr.com

In practice. You'd think if the voice strayed too far from specific indigenous issues. People and the government would quickly tire of it. Ignore it. And redefine who the voice is. The. Best way for. The voice to have real power is to go jiminy cricket. A public conscience the more integrity the better

 

[Sully111]

That Rule of Law institute looks shady as *.

Their latest financial declarations show $11.00 revenue and $120.00 expenses.

Apparently still running off a $400,000 donation from the Lowy family of Westfield fame. Run by a tax accounting firm with contributions from Chris Merritt, a George Pell apologist, anti ICAC campaigning, Scott Morrisson aligned, liberal spruiker.

The people running this institution are also affiliated with the ‘Parables of The Bible Public Fund’ whose latest financials declare $3.00 revenue and $1,000,000 in expenses.

I honestly shudder when I think that THEIR VOICE is being used to inform people.

This is really on point though. It’s yet another example of RICH people actively engaging in obfuscation to suit their own agenda.

Who is funding the ‘mysterious’ Rule of Law Institute?

The Lowy family and Sydney law firm Speed and Stracey Lawyers have provided “ongoing support” to a related body previously known as the Magna Carta Institute.

www.afr.com

Thanks. I know nothing about them

I think there's a danger with people wanting to suit their own agenda more often than not. I try to sort through the bulls*t and come to a conclusion.

Just googled why vote yes and why vote no and started reading. I'm not finished yet.

Putting aside their history, do you think they make any valid points? I've read similar points of view elsewhere. It seems to be the theme of the no side.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I saw a guy driving a vintage Suzuki one the other day. You'd have struggled to put a bag of shopping in the bed of it. It seemed to defy logic.

I think a lot of the smaller utes were great for parts delivery and the like. Suzukis used inner city flower delivery in their adds probably a limited market, this twin cab corolla will probably not appeal to the practical people. Rather a cheap vehicle that will go with the acubras and drizabones when they take the kids to the coffee shop

 

[gringo2011]

They love these sorts of vehicles. The development is easy (ford spent far less developing the ranger/Everest than they did on territory ). And will probably sell them for more than corolla. Especially the ones with rollbar and bullbar.

All of those small SUVs are usually just a jacked roof and suspension on a hatchback. The Subaru XV is just the Impreza with a lift kit and a roofline lift. The little VW is golf etc. This one is just peeling the back roof section off one of those.

 

[CursingFijian]

Thanks. I know nothing about them

I think there's a danger with people wanting to suit their own agenda more often than not. I try to sort through the bulls*t and come to a conclusion.

Just googled why vote yes and why vote no and started reading. I'm not finished yet.

Putting aside their history, do you think they make any valid points? I've read similar points of view elsewhere. It seems to be the theme of the no side.

Anything that flows out of the voice referendum is going to be exactly like Australian aid to Fiji.

Those that control the purse strings will control the outcomes. And if it’s a government funded agency then the government of the day will have far reaching oversight.

Political parties will eventually use the institutions that rise up from the voice as another political bullet point for voting for or against every election time.

I’m really not caught up on what the advisory arm of the voice will look like. I’m too cynical to think anything really robust will arise out from it like a democratic phoenix. Other than a requirement for better community engagement, which is pretty much happening already now anyway.

I’m a bit purist about this issue. Some might argue naively so. But we have heard the same voices making the same ‘don’t do it’ arguments many times throughout world history.

The NO campaign has managed to somehow make this about politics and for me it isn’t. It’s black and white for me.

This vote, for me, is about what Australia needs to do to heal some of the wounds that divide us. And acknowledgement is a good step in the right direction.

Their will be propagandists and obfuscaters that make this a point of contention for us until we die.

But a new generation of Australians will spawn and they will always feel good about the natural justice in this acknowledgment and it will inform their lives in a way far differently to ours.

I started typing out instances of political change that have eventually fed a galvanised, unified patriotism. But decided not to open those doors and create any possible further confusion. But suffice to say I think eventually the same will happen here.

When I vote YES I will do it with great pride, and I will think of all those people who I have known and loved, who have lived their entire lives feeling lesser.

In the words of Eddie Betts

“It’s a small step, but I think the right step, to have a Voice and be heard,”

“I’ve taken my time over the past 12 months, to speak to Elders, community members and people I trust to get more information about the Voice.

“I’ve listened to a range of opinions and worked hard to understand exactly what the Voice is and how it impacts Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

“I know the Voice is not an immediate solution to the many barriers we as Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people face, but I feel like it’s the opening of a pathway to make sure we’re included and respected in decision-making on issues that affect us.”

 

[Joffaboy]

Was made to go and see Barbie last night. Wanted to tear my eyes out after half an hour, just decided to ignore the 'story' and perv on Margot Robbie.

She is one fine woman. I have been to Dalby in Qld. How that dump could produce something like her is beyond me.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

All of those small SUVs are usually just a jacked roof and suspension on a hatchback. The Subaru XV is just the Impreza with a lift kit and a roofline lift. The little VW is golf etc. This one is just peeling the back roof section off one of those.

The little Mazda X3? Is based on the 2. It has less interior room less cargo space worse fuel consumption. It costs as much as the far roomier 3. But SUV's are more practical right?

 

[phantom13]

Old Subaru and protons are still around. Actually pretty handy for people who need a cheap to run basic ute. Datsun1200 utes are collector's items. Suzuki mighty boy. No

Actually an influencer i follow did up a mighty boy with a custom paintjob and shit, used to chuck a tarp in the back and drive it around sitting in the back for a beer. Was pretty funnny.

All of those small SUVs are usually just a jacked roof and suspension on a hatchback. The Subaru XV is just the Impreza with a lift kit and a roofline lift. The little VW is golf etc. This one is just peeling the back roof section off one of those.

So we HAD an ASX and upgraded to an Eclipse Cross for almost this exact reason. The ASX is bigger than like the vitara and shit but its still smallish.

Ours now can fit carseats and prams and the like. There is a clear reason why the SUV is king in Aus.

 

[Sun Ra]

Anything that flows out of the voice referendum is going to be exactly like Australian aid to Fiji.

Those that control the purse strings will control the outcomes. And if it’s a government funded agency then the government of the day will have far reaching oversight.

Political parties will eventually use the institutions that rise up from the voice as another political bullet point for voting for or against every election time.

I’m really not caught up on what the advisory arm of the voice will look like. I’m too cynical to think anything really robust will arise out from it like a democratic phoenix. Other than a requirement for better community engagement, which is pretty much happening already now anyway.

I’m a bit purist about this issue. Some might argue naively so. But we have heard the same voices making the same ‘don’t do it’ arguments many times throughout world history.

The NO campaign has managed to somehow make this about politics and for me it isn’t. It’s black and white for me.

This vote, for me, is about what Australia needs to do to heal some of the wounds that divide us. And acknowledgement is a good step in the right direction.

Their will be propagandists and obfuscaters that make this a point of contention for us until we die.

But a new generation of Australians will spawn and they will always feel good about the natural justice in this acknowledgment and it will inform their lives in a way far differently to ours.

I started typing out instances of political change that have eventually fed a galvanised, unified patriotism. But decided not to open those doors and create any possible further confusion. But suffice to say I think eventually the same will happen here.

When I vote YES I will do it with great pride, and I will think of all those people who I have known and loved, who have lived their entire lives feeling lesser.

In the words of Eddie Betts

“It’s a small step, but I think the right step, to have a Voice and be heard,”

“I’ve taken my time over the past 12 months, to speak to Elders, community members and people I trust to get more information about the Voice.

“I’ve listened to a range of opinions and worked hard to understand exactly what the Voice is and how it impacts Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

“I know the Voice is not an immediate solution to the many barriers we as Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people face, but I feel like it’s the opening of a pathway to make sure we’re included and respected in decision-making on issues that affect us.”

I just heard an idiot call ABC radio talkback in Melbourne who said "The Voice is just a money making enterprise for the Aboriginal Elite and blah, blah, blah but then he said - bottom line, in his view, Aboriginal people don't want this, they just want to be left alone." Seriously.

 

[Sully111]

Anything that flows out of the voice referendum is going to be exactly like Australian aid to Fiji.

Those that control the purse strings will control the outcomes. And if it’s a government funded agency then the government of the day will have far reaching oversight.

Political parties will eventually use the institutions that rise up from the voice as another political bullet point for voting for or against every election time.

I’m really not caught up on what the advisory arm of the voice will look like. I’m too cynical to think anything really robust will arise out from it like a democratic phoenix. Other than a requirement for better community engagement, which is pretty much happening already now anyway.

I’m a bit purist about this issue. Some might argue naively so. But we have heard the same voices making the same ‘don’t do it’ arguments many times throughout world history.

The NO campaign has managed to somehow make this about politics and for me it isn’t. It’s black and white for me.

This vote, for me, is about what Australia needs to do to heal some of the wounds that divide us. And acknowledgement is a good step in the right direction.

Their will be propagandists and obfuscaters that make this a point of contention for us until we die.

But a new generation of Australians will spawn and they will always feel good about the natural justice in this acknowledgment and it will inform their lives in a way far differently to ours.

I started typing out instances of political change that have eventually fed a galvanised, unified patriotism. But decided not to open those doors and create any possible further confusion. But suffice to say I think eventually the same will happen here.

When I vote YES I will do it with great pride, and I will think of all those people who I have known and loved, who have lived their entire lives feeling lesser.

In the words of Eddie Betts

“It’s a small step, but I think the right step, to have a Voice and be heard,”

“I’ve taken my time over the past 12 months, to speak to Elders, community members and people I trust to get more information about the Voice.

“I’ve listened to a range of opinions and worked hard to understand exactly what the Voice is and how it impacts Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

“I know the Voice is not an immediate solution to the many barriers we as Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people face, but I feel like it’s the opening of a pathway to make sure we’re included and respected in decision-making on issues that affect us.”

I think taking what the other side has to say and discussing those points openly has value though.

It seems to me the above point regarding "on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples" is the backbone of the no argument, along with not separating by race etc (for want of a better way of putting it)

If I'm debating anyone, the first thing I generally do is let them know I've considered what they said with an open mind.... and taking into account all that, here's why I believe they're wrong.