Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[tribey]

I recently completed a paper on the relationship between freedom of speech and the law in liberal democratic countries. For the sake of brevity, in liberal democracies (such as France), hate speech is one of the few forms of speech which is restricted.

I suppose the question is what constitutes 'hate speech'? To you or I, hate speech may be saying "all Muslims are dirty terrorist c****", whereas to people who follow the Islamic dictums, hate speech is perceived as any negative speech (satirical or otherwise) of their religion, and is grounds for execution.

Then again, it really isn't up to the individual to decide what is "right". Countries needs to act on behalf of a large population and as such, laws dictate what is and isn't acceptable. In France, satire like what was published in Charlie Hedbo is fine (satire is also constitutionally protected in Germany for instance). In Islamic countries, when taking the piss out of their religion, it is not. To further complicate things, there is increasing pressure from particularly the U.N. (the General Assembly, the Security Council and Human Rights), but also NATO, the U.S. government, whatever have you, to have free speech in the Middle East.

In France, deciding what's "right" is incredibly challenging. France has a considerable Muslim population (due to its proximity to North Africa and the Middle East as well as its proximity to the Muslim diaspora in other parts of Europe) and there is a need to take their considerations into account.

It's a touchy subject and one that us as Australians face on a daily basis. As the world is fast becoming a melting pot of cultures intertwined in a global community, government bodies are facing an increasingly challenging task of keeping a diverse population happy whilst staying on top of a plethora of social, economic, political and cultural crisis.

While I think countries can always improve their representation of the population during changes to ethnic demography, people need to understand and respect local laws. Have your religion, have your faith, continue your ancestral customs. But don't waltz into a liberal democratic country and kill a bunch of people for taking the piss. That's not the way civilised people act.

Value pluralism > cultural relativism.

HASHTAG DEAD ESKIMO JOE BABBYS SAD EMOJI

 

[edgie]

*cough*

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...h-anjem-choudary-editorials-debates/21417461/

No more taking the Lord's (or his sons) names in vain then too!

 

[I Dont Care]

If you talk about another certain religious figure anywhere on the internet it seems to draw instant ridicule, whats good for the goose is good for the gander

 

[ozph1870]

No more taking the Lord's (or his sons) names in vain then too!

russell and brett ebert???

 

[Macca19]

Sacrilege Mr Macca

I just back them, clean them, cook in boiling seawater for 5 minutes. Ice off in icey seawater...........then eat with your favourite beer.

The flavour of South Aus seafood is right there. Simple and delish !!

Being in Port Pirie, Blue Swimmer Crabs are on your back doorstep. ( not literally )

Almost literally on our back doorstep! Heaps up here, its great!

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Sacrilege Mr Macca

I just back them, clean them, cook in boiling seawater for 5 minutes. Ice off in icey seawater...........then eat with your favourite beer.

The flavour of South Aus seafood is right there. Simple and delish !!

Being in Port Pirie, Blue Swimmer Crabs are on your back doorstep. ( not literally )

Was at Fisherman's Bay over New Years.... Loaded up while we were there.

You don't boil them with the backs off tho surely, Piston ?? Meat would go mushy ??

 

[I Dont Care]

I remember catching crabs when I was young and single

 

[Steve Dore]

.......

1984 ... Lake Eyre filled ... I saw it on the way to Birdsville Races that year.

......

Drove up to Lake Eyre in 1984 to see it full. Camped at the William Creek pub.

It was the second time her indoors had seen it full having previously seen it full in the mid 70's.

 

[Quadzilla]

Drove up to Lake Eyre in 1984 to see it full. Camped at the William Creek pub.

It was the second time her indoors had seen it full having previously seen it full in the mid 70's.

Top ... Todd river in Alice flows today.
Bottom ... Dimantina in Birdsville today...maybe Lake Eyre will flood again?

 

[I Dont Care]

Drove up to Lake Eyre in 1984 to see it full. Camped at the William Creek pub.

It was the second time her indoors had seen it full having previously seen it full in the mid 70's.

Saw the Coopers in flood on the Birdsville Track back in '74/'75 Christmas holidays as a kid. There was a ferry

 

[Zakk Wylde]

 

[DaTBird187]

I've never understood why a person chooses to leave their homeland due to perceived injustice, persecution and repression only to spout forth the undeniable greatness and infallibility of said society in there new homeland, from which they have been granted a new life.

 

[chiwigi]

I've never understood why a person chooses to leave their homeland due to perceived injustice, persecution and repression only to spout forth the undeniable greatness and infallibility of said society in there new homeland, from which they have been granted a new life.

Who has done that?

 

[chiwigi]

Vincent Tan is still an absolute todger of the highest order. But there is SOME light at the end of the very long dark tunnel us Cardiff City fans have had to live in.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9637174/cardiff-may-re turn-to-blue-kit

 

[raman]

Who has done that?

 

[Trewth]

If you are cooking blueys make sure you don't over cook them and for the love of deities make sure you cool them immediately otherwise the warm shell continues to cook the meat and turns it to mush. I cook them in boiling sea water for about 3 minutes (I judge by the colour).

Yorkes native with grandparents from Port Broughton speaking here.

 

[I Dont Care]

I can no longer eat seafood at all

 

[chiwigi]

Nothing wrong with asking for a specific quote from somebody who escaped persecution who would say such a thing.

Not the second generation rose tinted exiles...but true asylum seeker who are saying such things. Please show me the people, your smiley face suggests they are many.
Criteria - Asylum Seeker direct from the country they are saying is wonderful and better than here.

Should be easy.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Nothing wrong with asking for a specific quote from somebody who escaped persecution who would say such a thing.

Not the second generation rose tinted exiles...but true asylum seeker who are saying such things. Please show me the people, your smiley face suggests they are many.
Criteria - Asylum Seeker direct from the country they are saying is wonderful and better than here.

Should be easy.

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[chiwigi]

Actions speak louder than words.

So show me this army of asylum seekers who are espousing the greatness of the country they fled. Let me see their words and we can then judge their actions.
I have only one criteria - that they themselves be an asylum seeker.

 

[Doctor Feel]

So show me this army of asylum seekers who are espousing the greatness of the country they fled. Let me see their words and we can then judge their actions.
I have only one criteria - that they themselves be an asylum seeker.

I personally am not really going down the path of the 'saying their country was bad, then trying to change ours to be like it', i'm more aiming at the evidence of supposed asylum seekers turning to terror. i.e the 'asylum seeker' who held my doctor friend at knife point after he got denied a pension (which can open up a whole other can of worms in regards to centrelink fraud from AS), then also the martin place terrorist who was an 'asylum seeker' as well.

I'm leaving this alone now anyway, the continuing violence will swing opinion on it's own. (see the rallies in Germany and the rising popularity of UKIP)

 

[raman]

Unfortunately it is going to be the right who actually fight back in Western Europe, while the left sits around with its thumb up its arse pontificating about tolerance.

 

[chiwigi]

I personally am not really going down the path of the 'saying their country was bad, then trying to change ours to be like it', i'm more aiming at the evidence of supposed asylum seekers turning to terror. i.e the 'asylum seeker' who held my doctor friend at knife point after he got denied a pension (which can open up a whole other can of worms in regards to centrelink fraud from AS), then also the martin place terrorist who was an 'asylum seeker' as well.

I'm leaving this alone now anyway, the continuing violence will swing opinion on it's own.

Ah nothing like a bit of anecdotal evidence to make a sweeping generalisation on.

The Martin Place guy was not an islamist, he was a dickhead, a chancer and a fraudster (who came to Australia fraudulently he claimed he was in danger because he had very liberal views, the fact was he was a criminal under investigation for theft) in the general sense but carry on anyway.

 

[chiwigi]

Unfortunately it is going to be the right who actually fight back in Western Europe, while the left sits around with its thumb up its arse pontificating about tolerance.

Fight back? How so? What are they going to do? Terrorise ethnic minorities? Attack innocent homes? Burn mosques? - excellent. That'll fix it.

Do you not think the governments are doing much? Don't you think the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq weren't a pretty big deal?
Do you not think the constant support of Israel is not an attempt to attack terrorists?

They worked out well didn't they.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Fight back? How so? What are they going to do? Terrorise ethnic minorities? Attack innocent homes? Burn mosques? - excellent. That'll fix it.

Do you not think the governments are doing much? Don't you think the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq weren't a pretty big deal?
Do you not think the constant support of Israel is not an attempt to attack terrorists?

They worked out well didn't they.

Tolerance or even financial aid won't fix it either to be fair, it is very difficult to combat an ideology as history shows. The perception that appears to be gaining momentum is that Islam(certain types) are not compatible with western society, and this may be the case but it's nearly impossible to manage from a political perspective. How it all plays out in the next decade is a major area of concern for the entire planet.

However the pendulum is swinging to the extreme right, and this is dangerous for everyone concerned. Extremists and innocents alike.