Hot Topic The Rebuild, est. 2023 and/or 2025

[Old Campaigner]

I like it when cake disagrees with me

It's usually a pretty good sign you're on the right track

 

[Atavistic]

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Really just need a pic of Dudoro.

 

[ant555]

People need to get their heads around the fact that despite hiring Scott to get us to the next level that plan has failed because the list was not at the level to do it.
We are now at the few steps backwards stage before we can attempt to go forwards again.
They had a crack last year. Not good enough. Enter next rebuild cycle.

 

[Call Me Cake]

People need to get their heads around the fact that despite hiring Scott to get us to the next level that plan has failed because the list was not at the level to do it.
We are now at the few steps backwards stage before we can attempt to go forwards again.
They had a crack last year. Not good enough. Enter next rebuild cycle.

This is false. Vozzo already said in May this year that we decided from 2023 to deliberately turn over the list, protect the draft hand at all costs, etc; with a vision for the very long term.

Issue is we were already, and have been for a while, an impatient bunch, but that's nothing to do with Scott, Vozzo and Barham.

 

[ant555]

This is false. Vozzo already said in May this year that we decided in 2023 to deliberately turn over the list, protect the draft hand at all costs, etc; with a vision for the very long term.

They had a crack last year. It is not false. Anyway it’s semantics as they are only doing it because the previous attempt to build the list has failed.

 

[Call Me Cake]

They had a crack last year. It is not false.

It is false because there's nothing from the club to back it up, wheras what I've referenced as directly from Vozzo's mouth contradicts it. So no, it is false.

 

[Call Me Cake]

As much as Scott has HUGE leeway with the board and supporters right now, another year of this and the pressure will mount.

Bottom 4-6 most will expect, but another year of total offensive ineptitude and a zero-risk game style will signal the beginning of the end.

Although I suspect he will last until 2027 no matter what.

Disagree. I think most were expecting us to struggle this year, and wouldn't have expected us to be there yet by 2026.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

It is false because there's nothing from the club to back it up, wheras what I've referenced as directly from Vozzo's mouth contradicts it. So no, it is false.

they were sort of "half pregnant" last year. I think they started the season with a longterm rebuild in plan but then got a bit ahead of themselves when we were sitting in the top 4 at the mid point.
They may not have explicitly said anything publicly but the choices they made with selections/game style in the back end of the season indicated they tried to slap a few band aids on known list deficiencies when they saw an unlikely finals berth in their sights.
Anyway its all a moot point, we have made the right decisions with last years trade/draft period and what vozzo/scott/rosa have said publicly this year.

 

[yodellinhank]

People need to get their heads around the fact that despite hiring Scott to get us to the next level that plan has failed because the list was not at the level to do it.
We are now at the few steps backwards stage before we can attempt to go forwards again.
They had a crack last year. Not good enough. Enter next rebuild cycle.

Year -1?

 

[Blind Turn]

This is false. Vozzo already said in May this year that we decided from 2023 to deliberately turn over the list, protect the draft hand at all costs, etc; with a vision for the very long term.

Issue is we were already, and have been for a while, an impatient bunch, but that's nothing to do with Scott, Vozzo and Barham.

Impatient? Mate, we haven’t won a final in 21 years! I think we’ve been extraordinarily patient.

 

[cobra land]

People need to get their heads around the fact that despite hiring Scott to get us to the next level that plan has failed because the list was not at the level to do it.
We are now at the few steps backwards stage before we can attempt to go forwards again.
They had a crack last year. Not good enough. Enter next rebuild cycle.

Yes, then he has no excuses for drafting some of these blokes that are not at the level required and then continually playing the likes of Menzie,Gresham, Perkins & McKay to name a few when completely out of form.

 

[dank420_]

Year -1?

BC

 

[yodellinhank]

BC

He is risen and he shall come again

 

[ant555]

Year -1?

When was 8 up ? It will probably be the most accurate thing to come from the club.

 

[ant555]

It is false because there's nothing from the club to back it up, wheras what I've referenced as directly from Vozzo's mouth contradicts it. So no, it is false.

What a load of bollocks. Did you watch last year ? they had a crack last year at making finals. Otherwise why would they have tried a bit of a top up to get Gresham / McKay / Goldstien ? Did not work but they had a go at it.
Like I said semantics which is not unusual from you.

Vozzo: Accountability, ‘sustainability’ driving Bombers

CEO discusses growing culture at the NEC Hangar.

www.essendonfc.com.au

“We want to win as many games as we can with a view to qualifying for finals, but that’s not our start point. Our start point is what we can control and the professionalism we bring to the club, the growth we can have through our list and our team,” Vozzo said.

 

[ant555]

This is false. Vozzo already said in May this year that we decided from 2023 to deliberately turn over the list, protect the draft hand at all costs, etc; with a vision for the very long term.

Issue is we were already, and have been for a while, an impatient bunch, but that's nothing to do with Scott, Vozzo and Barham.

“We’ve used the word ‘reset’ but whatever you want to use, we deal with the facts. We’ve made 20 list changes in the last two years and there’s been no change in approach from 2023 to ’24, we made 11 list changes (then) and nine last year," Vozzo said.

This is what he said. The difference is that at the end of 2023 we went after a few experienced players as well. At the end of 2024 we banked future draft picks. Drafted a number of players and did not pick up mid range players other than Prior. At the end of last year there was a clear focus on draft.

 

[Call Me Cake]

What a load of bollocks.

False.

Vozzo a month ago:

Bombers order ‘burger with lot’ as hunger grows for success

The Bombers want fresh meat as they develop an appetite for talent. But over-28s need not apply.

www.theage.com.au

“We obviously had a deliberate strategy of refreshing the list... '23 into '24, those off-seasons we’ve made 20 list changes which is one of the highest in the competition, with a real draft focus.”

“It takes time, I’m not suggesting it takes eight years, but we’re part way through that journey... the organic growth we get from our group now is really important.”

Scott spent the first year getting to know the group (as all coaches do) and as a collective (CEO et al) acknowledged the need to turn over the list while protecting the draft hand. The "deliberate strategy" and "part way through" comments makes it clear it was a decision made with a specific purpose back then and that it's currently ongoing, not starting.

Otherwise why would they have tried a bit of a top up to get Gresham / McKay / Goldstien ?

The narrative that they were "top ups" is false.

Asked about the approach as when they landed mature players as free agents, Vozzo said the target was “high-end quality who’s not 28 …”

Vozzo mentioned in the article above that we'll still aquire laterally while rebuilding with a prerequisite being that whoever we target is "no older than 28".

McKay and Gresham were not older than 28 but mid-20's and thus were looked at as part of the future, filling immediate list needs for us (KPD, small forward) with the main lure being that it would not compromise our draft hand.

Goldy is an exception (while still costing nothing) in that he was seen as a stop-gap for Draper as well as a future ruck coach.

Did you watch last year ? they had a crack last year at making finals.

We didn't "have a crack", we beat teams that were not in the 8 and those wins inflated our position at the time, partly helped by the experience we were yet to completely shed. It had no bearing on the journey we were on.

Of course every club wants to win games/not put a ceiling on their players, but at each post-presser Scott was never sucked into it and kept reminding everyone that we were no where near where we wanted to be.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Did a hypothetical prediction as to how the 23 could look in 2028 based on projected age/possible games played at the start of the season. Of course not all will still be on the list or play as many games.

Seems to be the stage at which the side may become experienced enough to make a genuine rise up the ladder/impact in finals before taking FA/trade additions into account.

 

[Mercurial89]

Did a hypothetical prediction as to how the 23 could look in 2028 based on projected age/possible games played at the start of the season. Of course not all will still be on the list or play as many games.

Seems to be the stage at which the side may become experienced enough to make a genuine rise up the ladder/impact in finals before taking FA/trade additions into account.

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Realistically we are probably properly challenging when that 26-28 bracket replaces the 29-31 bracket.

 

[FootyGuru]

Things can turn quickly. I don’t think we have a great list currently, but given a clear run with injury might have snuck in the 8.

That’s the problem, though. Who can we rely on body wise? I feel we will be in our window and hoping for good health if continue down the path of some of the guys on this list. What team has won a flag when all their injury prone players turned it around for a year? I can’t think of one.

Cohesion and availability is imperative to good football teams.

Mids who are consistently injured Caldwell, setterfeild, parish, Draper, Shiel, cox

Fwds Langford guilfi

Backs Ridley Reid McKay

So if we take out those guys our core is Merrett caddy kako Martin Durham duursma(almost in injury category) McGrath2mp Roberts and redman. Bar Merrett those guys should be the focus of our next premiership tilt. This isn’t a strong enough core

I feel we need to make some tough calls on guys in that injury list, not because they aren’t good players but because they need to be replaced by reliable ones.

Mids that go for mine, Shiel Draper setterfield or parish. Instead of looking to trade tsatas and Hobbs for packets of chips trade/delist the constantly injured ones in this rebuilding phase.

Both forwards go

And defenders id give them another year to prove health and then make a tough call if one of them has another injury prone year.

 

[Vindicater]

Did a hypothetical prediction as to how the 23 could look in 2028 based on projected age/possible games played at the start of the season. Of course not all will still be on the list or play as many games.

Seems to be the stage at which the side may become experienced enough to make a genuine rise up the ladder/impact in finals before taking FA/trade additions into account.

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Is May your second ruck?

 

[Stopher]

Things can turn quickly. I don’t think we have a great list currently, but given a clear run with injury might have snuck in the 8.

That’s the problem, though. Who can we rely on body wise? I feel we will be in our window and hoping for good health if continue down the path of some of the guys on this list. What team has won a flag when all their injury prone players turned it around for a year? I can’t think of one.

Cohesion and availability is imperative to good football teams.

Mids who are consistently injured Caldwell, setterfeild, parish, Draper, Shiel, cox

Fwds Langford guilfi

Backs Ridley Reid McKay

So if we take out those guys our core is Merrett caddy kako Martin Durham duursma(almost in injury category) McGrath2mp Roberts and redman. Bar Merrett those guys should be the focus of our next premiership tilt. This isn’t a strong enough core

I feel we need to make some tough calls on guys in that injury list, not because they aren’t good players but because they need to be replaced by reliable ones.

Mids that go for mine, Shiel Draper setterfield or parish. Instead of looking to trade tsatas and Hobbs for packets of chips trade/delist the constantly injured ones in this rebuilding phase.

Both forwards go

And defenders id give them another year to prove health and then make a tough call if one of them has another injury prone year.

Yep, I'd do something similar to Richmond and help facilitate the trade of anybody having second thoughts about wanting to stay.

Use the cap space to pay portions of contracts for a couple of years to make good players with questionable injury records more attractive to potential suitors.

Load up on draft picks, then assess our lot in light of upcoming NGAs and Bewick over the next couple of years, especially with Tassie on the horizon.

 

[faible]

Did a hypothetical prediction as to how the 23 could look in 2028 based on projected age/possible games played at the start of the season. Of course not all will still be on the list or play as many games.

Seems to be the stage at which the side may become experienced enough to make a genuine rise up the ladder/impact in finals before taking FA/trade additions into account.

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The worrying thing for me is that this side has none of our first round picks from the 2025, 2026 or 2027 drafts! What the hell is Rosa doing!?!? Get him OUT

 

[Old Campaigner]

“We’ve used the word ‘reset’ but whatever you want to use, we deal with the facts. We’ve made 20 list changes in the last two years and there’s been no change in approach from 2023 to ’24, we made 11 list changes (then) and nine last year," Vozzo said.

This is what he said. The difference is that at the end of 2023 we went after a few experienced players as well. At the end of 2024 we banked future draft picks. Drafted a number of players and did not pick up mid range players other than Prior. At the end of last year there was a clear focus on draft.

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[ant555]

Yep. Think my IQ is now lower than some of our players.