Analysis The Rebuilds of Geelong and Richmond and their Future Prospects

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Well Steely Green would've been next in line for the nom. He kicked 3 goals in his 3rd game V GWS, in the worst forward line in the worst team....not loose man in defence.

Not having a crack, that young fella was excellent and looks like a gem đź‘Ť
Actually I did like Green's game (I only caught bits and pieces admittedly). Mansell has come on and Campbell has shown some good things. I'm not 100% doom and gloom on the tigers youngsters, they've actually shown a bit this season.
 
Those 20 - 26 are playing with the likes of tuohy, dangerfield, cameron, duncan, stewart still running the show...

Don't think that you can keep this up indefinitely, no amount of free agents and big names can replace generational cohort required to maintain a premiership team.

There is nothing special to winning flags, get 3, 4 A+ graders, then you get amount 15 - 18 best fitting support players, you are then left with 1 or 2 spots to 'develop' youngsters. Geelong is simply following formula better than hawthorn, richmond, nothing special.
Maybe your club should try it some time.
 
I wouldn't read too much into this. I'm sure there were a bunch of Richmond youngsters just outside the top 10.
Sosnie's 3 touch game will bring him right into contention.
RalphSmith looked a good Macintosh type however. Blue collar hard working type.

GO Catters
 
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I just don't believe you have trouble "replacing" players. New and different players come in and bring new types of value to a team. For the same price as Blicavs you might get a specialist ruck, or strong mid-forward for instance. The player doesn't have to be able to do exactly what Blicavs can do to bring a similar level of value to the team.
Interesting how we've now gone a full 180 from claiming Geelong will crash down the ladder for years because we can't replace all our premiership-era players.....to now saying we should have no trouble at all replacing premiership-era players.

I guess all the doomsdaying didn't come true in 2024 so we're going the ultra reverse mozz instead...
 
Interesting how we've now gone a full 180 from claiming Geelong will crash down the ladder for years because we can't replace all our premiership-era players.....to now saying we should have no trouble at all replacing premiership-era players.

I guess all the doomsdaying didn't come true in 2024 so we're going the ultra reverse mozz instead...

Are you worried? :)
 
Fair bit of talk around Rioli, Baker and Bolton now from fairly credible sources.

Cats are about to be shown what a real rebuild looks like. :cool:

Weren't you saying how Richmond were far ahead of Geelong in their rebuild because of these 24-27 year olds? What happened to that?

Now it's a full root and branch rebuild while trading out the "superstar" middle aged players?

At this rate Richmond's going to have the demographics of an expansion team next year.
 
Weren't you saying how Richmond were far ahead of Geelong in their rebuild because of these 24-27 year olds? What happened to that?

Now it's a full root and branch rebuild while trading out the "superstar" middle aged players?

At this rate Richmond's going to have the demographics of an expansion team next year.

Mixed messages always drive Cats fans insane. That's why we love it. :)

If you think our 24-27yo's aren't so good, watch what we get if we start trading them out. And weep. :cool:
 
This would be like us celebrating if Max Holmes and Tyson Stengle decided to jump ship rather than re-sign, right?
 
Lions 21 years since last dynasty flag - no flags since.

Hawks, 10th year since last dynasty flag - no flag since.

Cats 13 years since last dynasty flag, showed everyone how it is done, sneaking the future CEO into AFL House to ensure 1 flag, well done Cats.

Tigers - 4 years since last dynasty flag, hold our beer Cats, and sit back and watch how it is really done. :cool:
 
Lions 21 years since last dynasty flag - no flags since.

Hawks, 10th year since last dynasty flag - no flag since.

Cats 13 years since last dynasty flag, showed everyone how it is done, sneaking the future CEO into AFL House to ensure 1 flag, well done Cats.

Tigers - 4 years since last dynasty flag, hold our beer Cats, and sit back and watch how it is really done. :cool:
Tyson Stengle did want to jump ship you numbskull. No ****er wanted him. :tearsofjoy:
I feel like this is the part where I'm supposed to type 'cope'. Cope.
 

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Well you guys are where we would be coming for advice on that particular subject.

You coped so well with us smashing your dreams in 3 finals. ;)
Good teams keep putting themselves up there, even without any good draft picks for prolonged periods.

Richmond have been utterly pathetic since the dynasty ended, and have quickly reverted back to being the joke of the league.

Bolton needs to be moved on to a contending side as, like was and still is the case for Martin, he doesn't do much when he believes his side aren't a chance.
 
Well you guys are where we would be coming for advice on that particular subject.

You coped so well with us smashing your dreams in 3 finals. ;)
The fact that Richmond's golden era is but a footnote of - and squeezed inbetween - Geelong's four flag run of the Joel Selwood era definitely helps.
 
But anyway back to the topic at hand, how can you celebrate the recruitment of prime-aged players Hopper (27) and Taranto (26) for a farm's worth of draft capital, while simultaneously celebrating Bolton (25), Baker (26) and Rioli (27) jumping ship. It seems a little conflicting at first viewing unless you've come around to the conclusion that trading in a couple of surplus GWS mids for an eye-watering price was a mistake.
 
Good teams keep putting themselves up there, even without any good draft picks for prolonged periods.

Richmond have been utterly pathetic since the dynasty ended, and have quickly reverted back to being the joke of the league.

Bolton needs to be moved on to a contending side as, like was and still is the case for Martin, he doesn't do much when he believes his side aren't a chance.

First, a couple of points about claims you made in your post.

Richmond 2021-2022-2023 combined home and away record: 32w 3d 32l.

Hardly qualifies as pathetic. We have only been pathetic in 2024. And for obvious reasons outside the club's full control.

Second, good clubs win flags. Richmond has won 13. Geelong has won 10. And finals. Richmond has outscored Geelong in no less than 10 of the 11 finals series in which the two clubs have met each other. Including the most recent 3 of course, in case you needed reminding of the traumatic(for you) events of 2017, 19, 20.

As for your Bolton advice. I suggest you just sit back and watch exactly how it is done by a club that has the best Grand Final won v finals lost ration in the competition over the last 80 years....and it is not even close. :cool:
 
But anyway back to the topic at hand, how can you celebrate the recruitment of prime-aged players Hopper (27) and Taranto (26) for a farm's worth of draft capital, while simultaneously celebrating Bolton (25), Baker (26) and Rioli (27) jumping ship. It seems a little conflicting at first viewing unless you've come around to the conclusion that trading in a couple of surplus GWS mids for an eye-watering price was a mistake.

All part of the grand plan my friend. Trade out of 2022 & 2023 drafts. Head to the bonanza that is the 2024 draft with a load of rd 1 picks.

Taranto, Hopper, Steely Green, and Kaleb Smith cost picks 14, 22, & 34 in the 2022 draft and pick 8 in the 2023 draft.

If all of Bolton, Baker, Rioli leave, your eyes are going to drown at the trade return able to be activated in the 2024 draft if you think that price for Taranto, Hopper, Smith, & Green was eye-watering. ;)
 
But anyway back to the topic of hand, how can you celebrate the recruitment of prime-aged players Hopper (27) and Taranto (26) for a farm's worth of draft capital, while simultaneously celebrating Bolton (25), Baker (26) and Rioli (27) jumping ship. It seems a little conflicting at first viewing unless you've come around to the conclusion that trading in a couple of surplus GWS mids for an eye-watering price was a mistake.
The Punt Road Butchers will operate far better without the elite skills of Rioli and Bolton getting in the way.
 
First, a couple of points about claims you made in your post.

Richmond 2021-2022-2023 combined home and away record: 32w 3d 32l.

Hardly qualifies as pathetic. We have only been pathetic in 2024. And for obvious reasons outside the club's full control.

Second, good clubs win flags. Richmond has won 13. Geelong has won 10. And finals. Richmond has outscored Geelong in no less than 10 of the 11 finals series in which the two clubs have met each other. Including the most recent 3 of course, in case you needed reminding of the traumatic(for you) events of 2017, 19, 20.

As for your Bolton advice. I suggest you just sit back and watch exactly how it is done by a club that has the best Grand Final won v finals lost ration in the competition over the last 80 years....and it is not even close. :cool:
Finishing places after last flag:

12th
7th
13th
17th/18th

No finals won.

There is no dressing up how bad that is. There was a chance to build up a lasting, winning culture. Now it looks more like heading back to the wilderness for another few decades.
 
Finishing places after last flag:

12th
7th
13th
17th/18th

No finals won.

There is no dressing up how bad that is. There was a chance to build up a lasting, winning culture. Now it looks more like heading back to the wilderness for another few decades.

Yep because of course that is the natural outcome of taking around 8 x rd 1 picks over the next 2 drafts.

I can smell the fear.

6-8 years or so from now Cats won't have any flags but will do their usual finals clogging year after year. Then they will once again come up against the rising tiger in a final....we both know what happens then. :cool:
 
Yep because of course that is the natural outcome of taking around 8 x rd 1 picks over the next 2 drafts.

I can smell the fear.

6-8 years or so from now Cats won't have any flags but will do their usual finals clogging year after year. Then they will once again come up against the rising tiger in a final....we both know what happens then. :cool:
It's far more likely your soiled pants: "Nurse!"

Well I look forward to hearing from you in 8 years if you're still kicking. It's a shame that the prospects until then are dire and there's every chance your team simply ends up the new NM in that time frame.
 
It's far more likely your soiled pants: "Nurse!"

Well I look forward to hearing from you in 8 years if you're still kicking. It's a shame that the prospects until then are dire and there's every chance your team simply ends up the new NM in that time frame.

So North took 8 round 1 picks across 2 drafts 8 years ago did they?

Cope harder. :tearsofjoy:
 

Analysis The Rebuilds of Geelong and Richmond and their Future Prospects


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