The Road to Full Forward

[Mad Dog]

So....if I've understood the last few days correctly, Luke Jericho is a better footballer from the experience of the last quarter in Saturday's NAB Cup Final.

The question is......when would be a better time to call on that experience than for the next 4 weeks in Welsh's absence ???

Does Jericho hold his spot in the side for Round 1 ???

Does Bernie Vince ???

Does Trent play FF and the rest of the forward line shuffles around including Kenny coming back into the mix ???

Whichever option you prefer...how does that reconcile with your thoughts about last Saturday night........ie - would not playing Jericho be a wasted investment.....???

thoughts????

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

So....if I've understood the last few days correctly, Luke Jericho is a better footballer from the experience of the last quarter in Saturday's NAB Cup Final.

The question is......when would be a better time to call on that experience than for the next 4 weeks in Welsh's absence ???

Does Jericho hold his spot in the side for Round 1 ???

Does Bernie Vince ???

Does Trent play FF and the rest of the forward line shuffles around including Kenny coming back into the mix ???

Whichever option you prefer...how does that reconcile with your thoughts about last Saturday night........ie - would not playing Jericho be a wasted investment.....???

thoughts????

....

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

So....if I've understood the last few days correctly, Luke Jericho is a better footballer from the experience of the last quarter in Saturday's NAB Cup Final.

The question is......when would be a better time to call on that experience than for the next 4 weeks in Welsh's absence ???

Does Jericho hold his spot in the side for Round 1 ???

Does Bernie Vince ???

Does Trent play FF and the rest of the forward line shuffles around including Kenny coming back into the mix ???

Whichever option you prefer...how does that reconcile with your thoughts about last Saturday night........ie - would not playing Jericho be a wasted investment.....???

thoughts????

I wouldn't pick him for round1 and I would not have had him in my best 25 even before last Saturday nights game. So no I wouldn't pick him. Let him reagin touch for Westies and then give him another go.

I think Kenny has looked abit slow and lumbering in the backline so far so I would start him at FF where he can use his main strength, his marking ability. Trent and Pez on the half forward line. If Kenny can regain 2005 form then I would move Trent to FF and Kenny out to the half forward line. We need to see at some stage this year whether Trent can hold down a key position such as FF or CHF.

 

[Cap]

Try to resist but oh stuff it..

If you want a leading FF then Jericho is really your only option apart from Burton. Even though a lot of people have it out for Jericho he can play that postion. However I don’t think that Craig will go for this setup. Mcgregor will go FF, Pez and Trent CHF and people like Knights rotating through the forward line

Bernie Vince (I haven’t seen much of the kid so I will no doubt be proved wrong here) seems more like a HF flanker or FP but heck that’s just an observation seeing that I have only seen him play 1 or two games and he seems to have a extremly good goal awareness (I think most country footballers have this)and the freak Trent Hentschel grab and kick in a instant ability.

However I have to say I would like to see Vince get a game or two just to see how it handles it

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Assuming Bock is OK, we will still have 3 tall forward options with Kenny, Sarge & Trent. Also, I expect Roo will play a fair chunk up forward (could play FF), given his return from injury.

Vince would be more worthy of a spot off the bench than Jericho IMO, as he really hasn't done much wrong when given a chance.

 

[drakeyv2]

Assuming Bock is OK, we will still have 3 tall forward options with Kenny, Sarge & Trent. Also, I expect Roo will play a fair chunk up forward (could play FF), given his return from injury.

Vince would be more worthy of a spot off the bench than Jericho IMO, as he really hasn't done much wrong when given a chance.

I think this is how it will pan out.

 

[Alex99]

So....if I've understood the last few days correctly, Luke Jericho is a better footballer from the experience of the last quarter in Saturday's NAB Cup Final.

You’re being factious right? Until we see him play another game we will not know if he has learnt anything or not. If he continues to be soft and fumble the ball in critical situation he won’t have learnt anything.

The question is......when would be a better time to call on that experience than for the next 4 weeks in Welsh's absence ???

After he shows that he understands where he messed up and can demonstrate it in a pressure situation he will not have learnt anything. If it takes one week or 22 weeks at West Adelaide until he can demonstrate it he should not get a promotion.

Does Jericho hold his spot in the side for Round 1 ???

No, West Adelaide have a good player for round 1

Does Bernie Vince ???

This is not about Vince Vs. Jericho vs. anyone. If Vince has earn his spot he should get a game and it should not matter what Jericho does, but yes I would say Bernie Vince will play round 1.

Does Trent play FF and the rest of the forward line shuffles around including Kenny coming back into the mix ???

Hopefully Nathan Bock will play and that will allow Ken McGregor to move back to CHF/FF area of the ground. That will ease some of the defensive pressure on Trent Hentschel and Ian Perrie.

Whichever option you prefer...how does that reconcile with your thoughts about last Saturday night........ie - would not playing Jericho be a wasted investment.....???

thoughts????

No, as the return on investment may not be rewarded right away but it could come in 2 months or 2 years. As long as Luke Jericho has learnt from that experience and becomes a better player for it, the investment will be worth it.

 

[Mad Dog]

Assuming Bock is OK, we will still have 3 tall forward options with Kenny, Sarge & Trent. Also, I expect Roo will play a fair chunk up forward (could play FF), given his return from injury.

Vince would be more worthy of a spot off the bench than Jericho IMO, as he really hasn't done much wrong when given a chance.

I tend to agree.

Bock is becoming as important to our structure as Truck Rutten.

Take these 2 guys out and we end up robbing the fwd line to compensate.

With Kenny back in the forward mix....I'd be building around the 3 talls and rotating Roo and other opportunists into the 6...including "Needles" Vince.

 

[Mad Dog]

You’re being factious right? Until we see him play another game we will not know if he has learnt anything or not. If he continues to be soft and fumble the ball in critical situation he won’t have learnt anything.

After he shows that he understands where he messed up and can demonstrate it in a pressure situation he will not have learnt anything. If it takes one week or 22 weeks at West Adelaide until he can demonstrate it he should not get a promotion. .

I suppose if I was being honest I would say yes.... .......but I did want to raise the point that in terms of an education......this is best gained in the SANFL...a point I am glad you've highlighted.....and I'm hoping that the 2 characteristics that you've raised are traits that are able to be learned ....ie the whole nature / nurture debate.

This is not about Vince Vs. Jericho vs. anyone. If Vince has earn his spot he should get a game and it should not matter what Jericho does, but yes I would say Bernie Vince will play round 1. .

I wasn't making it about Vince v Jericho specifically as I've become a Vince fan before last Saturday's game....just pointing out that theres another alternative.

 

[Cap]

I suppose if I was being honest I would say yes.... .......but I did want to raise the point that in terms of an education......this is best gained in the SANFL

so what is the problem with the AFC leaving new recruits to do 1 or 2 yrs inthe SANFL if there is an education to be gained from SANFL football ?

this isn;t a go at you maddog by many people on this board whinge and complain about AFC policy of keeping lads in the sandful

 

[Mad Dog]

so what is the problem with the AFC leaving new recruits to do 1 or 2 yrs inthe SANFL if there is an education to be gained from SANFL football ?

...and that is exactly my point......I prefer our fringe players to be taught in the SANFL....particularly those that have played 20+ AFL games - but still have not demanded a regular spot yet.

Those who demand a spot from the very beginning .....after 1 or 2 games are a very rare breed and need to be given the opportunity to leapfrog their collegues who are taking longer to develop.....eg Stiffy Johncock...after 1 game you knew he would be a player and demanded that he be picked.

My senses tell me that Bernie Vince and Chris Knights may be from the same mould.....and for that reason I would have them in my 22 for Round 1.

 

[Alex99]

so what is the problem with the AFC leaving new recruits to do 1 or 2 yrs inthe SANFL if there is an education to be gained from SANFL football ?

this isn;t a go at you maddog by many people on this board whinge and complain about AFC policy of keeping lads in the sandful

I guess every case is going to be different. If we are in desperate need of a forward and we had the opportunity to play a first year player, play them rather than have them serve an apprenticeship in the SANFL. However if they are only going to get 5 or 6 mins a game and sit on the bench for the rest then they should play SANFL as the ANFL time is simply going to be a waste.

Every case should me made on an individual merit rather than having a rule that every first or second year player must abide by.

Take Chris Knights for example he should play the majority of the season in the AFL (form warranted of course) as his game has developed to a point where the standard of the SANFL can not help any more. However I don’t believe that Ivan Maric or John Meesen will benefit from a stronger competition or competitors just yet as they still have a lot of skill development to learn that they can obtain from playing in the lesser SANFL competition.

Luke Jericho has the athleticism and body mass to play AFL football but his skill level and football knowledge needs to catch up, the SANFL is a good breading ground for skills development as it’s not as quick and he can concentrate on making the correct decision as well as building his confidence.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hentschell (who came to us as a FF) to play FF with Mcgregor at CHF and Perrie the flank (or vice a verca)

And Bernie Vince to play HF at their feet

 

[Damp Squarie]

....including "Needles" Vince.

I just cant get used to Bernies nickname

Id much rather Con heh heh
In any case he should play; and with selection options coming out of our bum why wouldnt you play him?

Im not saying dont play Jericho, but if I had to lay money on him missing out Id morgage my house to do it.

 

[Damp Squarie]

the SANFL is a good breading ground for skills development.

including crumbing skills

 

[Stiffy_18]

I tend to agree.

Bock is becoming as important to our structure as Truck Rutten.

Take these 2 guys out and we end up robbing the fwd line to compensate.

With Kenny back in the forward mix....I'd be building around the 3 talls and rotating Roo and other opportunists into the 6...including "Needles" Vince.

Jesus Mad Dog when you butcher something you really make a mess of it

Its Jason "Needles" Porplyzia. "Needles" its NOT Bernie's nickname

 

[Stiffy_18]

Hentschell (who came to us as a FF) to play FF with Mcgregor at CHF and Perrie the flank (or vice a verca)

And Bernie Vince to play HF at their feet

DING! DING! DING! DING!

WRONG ANSWER!!!!!

Hentschel came to us as a CHF. He played as a CHF for Palmerston Magpies in Norwood and he played as a CHF for the Eagles before we picked him up and continued to play as a CHF after we drafted him.

Having got that out of the way , I do agree that Hentschel will play FF with Sarge and McGregor (If Bock is picked) to play further up the ground.

I also think, despite popular belief, that Jericho will be picked to play round 1 for us. Its just sounds like something that Craigy would do. Everyone knows, including Luke himself, that last saturday night is a game to forget. I have a feeling that Craigy will give Jericho a chance to prove to himself and others that he is not as bad as he played against Geelong.

Cast your mind back to round 2 last year against Collingwood at Telstra Dome. Michael Doughty had an absolute stinker and people on this board and callers on radio were screaming murder. Despite a lot of public backlash, Craigy picked Doughty to play next week against Port. Dogga came out and played possibly his best game for the year. I can see Craigy doing the same thing with Jericho.

If Welsh was ready to play, then I could see Craig opting for Welsh. Jericho is our replacement for Welsh in many ways so I can see Craig giving Jericho a chance come round 1 and don't be surprised if Jericho really comes out to play

 

[macca23]

I also think, despite popular belief, that Jericho will be picked to play round 1 for us. Its just sounds like something that Craigy would do.

Well if Craig does, he should either be given a Victoria Cross for bravery or see a shrink.

IMO that would be shafting those players who have both put their bodies on the line and have had good form in the pre-season games.

Jericho should prove at SANFL level that he deserves to be picked before he actually is IMO.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Well if Craig does, he should either be given a Victoria Cross for bravery or see a shrink.

IMO that would be shafting those players who have both put their bodies on the line and have had good form in the pre-season games.

Jericho should prove at SANFL level that he deserves to be picked before he actually is IMO.

One stinker shouldn't cost a player spot in the side. 2 weeks prior to the game against Geelong, Jericho was quite good.

 

[macca23]

One stinker shouldn't cost a player spot in the side. 2 weeks prior to the game against Geelong, Jericho was quite good.

Handy but not starring. The question has always been about his hardness at the ball and player IMO, which is where he failed badly last week.

This week is important, the fun games are over, it's for 4 points. We need 22 fully committed players

By the way, I don't want Jericho to fail - I'd much rather he succeeded.

But succeed by answering his critics with good hard honest form and deserve his spot.

IMO that's not this week.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

DING! DING! DING! DING!

WRONG ANSWER!!!!!

I'll dispute that answer - should never argue unless your right

Crow youngster breaks ankle
7:41:41 PM Thu 21 February, 2002
Alan Shiell
afc.com.au



Trent Hentschel, Adelaide’s newest player, will be out of action for at least 10 weeks after breaking his left ankle in a practice match today.

Hentschel, 19, crashed heavily after a marking contest at Alberton Oval during an abbreviated practice match between Adelaide and Port Adelaide players not involved in this weekend’s Wizard Home Loans Cup matches.

He will have the ankle in a protective boot for six weeks before a further four weeks of rehabilitation.

A tall forward described as having “a lot of flair and a big future”, Hentschel was the Crows’ only pick (No. 5 overall) in this year’s pre-season draft. He kicked 70 goals for Darwin club Palmerston Magpies in a premiership season before joining SANFL club Woodville-West Torrens

70 goals was from FF Stiffy NOT CHF

 

[Damp Squarie]

70 goals was from FF Stiffy NOT CHF

Forty Thirty

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Forty Thirty

Always possbile topjars - none of us watched any of his games.....but unless the media pre-amble was wrong the info was he definately played predominately as a FF.

The numbers tend to support that POV

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Handy but not starring. The question has always been about his hardness at the ball and player IMO, which is where he failed badly last week.

This week is important, the fun games are over, it's for 4 points. We need 22 fully committed players

By the way, I don't want Jericho to fail - I'd much rather he succeeded.

But succeed by answering his critics with good hard honest form and deserve his spot.

IMO that's not this week.

Well said. Its not as though pre last Saturdaty night he had been starring.

 

[Mad Dog]

Jesus Mad Dog when you butcher something you really make a mess of it

Its Jason "Needles" Porplyzia. "Needles" its NOT Bernie's nickname

doh...

we'll go with Con then....