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This is probably going to be long and it bit heavy but I thought after my recent debacle(see thread I dig this guy BUT) a good topic to bring up.

Some years ago I got these books one white and one purple called THE RULES time tested secrets to finding mr right. The white was released in 1995 and the purple 1997. We are talking mid nineties. OK these books were best sellers and dealt with women trying to find mr right and keeping him. And rules set out one by one.

I found the books so disturbing in that it went against everything I had been taught.It was simple if you were female you never went after the guy NEVER you stuck to the rules the rules being you never showed any interest in a man never called him and never excepted a date after wednesday you remained elusive and mysterious:rolleyes: WTF is that? I thought why would I do any of this if i ever wanted to meet anyone. Why sit back waiting for him to ask you out or whatever but apparently the rules work or so the authors say, it trancends countries and nationalities all men are the same they love challenges and if you aren't a challenge you won't be anything to him. You'll be pushed aside.

Be a challenge and you'll get a date what kinda logic is that?
I still ask that question now even years later after reading the books. Does anyone here female think like this or think this is a a healthy way to act. Or anyone male on here think that is how they think THEY love a challenge and only date ones that are hard to get or PLAy HARD TO GET?

They also say Ok you can go full throttle towards a great career and whatever but never act like that with a man let him do the work and if hes interested he'll hang round like a bad smell and that means hes soooo intersted in you. This is such bizarre logic to me I don't know about any other females but to sit back and wait around is that what you do in your life LIFE IS SHORT its not a rehearsal you get one shot thats it and you're dead. So if you like someone and he doesn't even make a move you just go OK I'll just sit back like they did in the 1900's or whatever and wait. FFS it is 2003.

And the rule for this is NEVER Make the move you'll be rejected and hurt and you'll be a mess he has to make the move. Well nothing will happen that will be the outcome as far as I can see. I wrote this because I would like others opinions I think the topic is interesting the books were controversial big time but sold very well. The rules my guys could be being used on you right now. I just challenge the reasoning of the authors on waiting for the guy to make the first move only because I just see life as short and games are for losers. Like a line in a grinspoon song says "Playing lots of mind games really is a treat now":rolleyes:
 
Excuse my ignorance but what are you talking about?
I wrote this for serious feedback I think its an interesting debate I don't know why you are trying to be smart arse about what I write on threads here, by the way I am a hawks fan and spider everitt does play for the hawks you could kinda be a little nicer:confused:
 
Babycakes I agree with you, I also hate games, and I don't believe you should never ask a guy out, sometimes guys hang back too and wait for YOU to make the first move so as you said, if you wait too then it's a wasted opportunity. Those books sound like complete crap. But then again it depends on the guy and the situation........ it's more a matter of instinct, IMO. There are no rules.

But it poses an interesting question..........would anyone REALLY take dating advice from a book?
 

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Originally posted by otaku
just goes to show how seriously screwed most women are in the head.

Best selling books about that shyte??


Yeah look I agree I'm not screwed though, I mean what I am saying is how ridiculous were these books put out in the mid nineties. Just a money making scheme allround and I brought them I took em out and reread them other day and my jaw still dropped when I reread them and thats some 6 years later like and I'm older and more mature but even when I first brought them very young I realised how seriously whacked it all sounded.:rolleyes:
 
So you're telling us you tried getting love advice from a friggin book?
The only way you're going to get someone is by going out and doing what comes naturally, not reading a book and getting advice from some author who thinks he/she knows it all about relationships
 
Originally posted by Renegade
So you're telling us you tried getting love advice from a friggin book?
The only way you're going to get someone is by going out and doing what comes naturally, not reading a book and getting advice from some author who thinks he/she knows it all about relationships

No th epoint of the thread was what do you guys reckon because when i brought the books it was 6 yrs ago and therewas heaps of cntroversey on it. I never took any of the advice seriously or tried any of it. What I am saying is its interesting that these women would write trash mid nineties and say women should never go after a guy never make a move. And i was pretty young when I brought them and I just chucked them in an old pile of old books some years back and while cleaning up and getting rid of some stuff I found them the other day ironically and reread them and my jaw still dropped at the crap these women wrote. No Books like that are garbage but its a good chuckle in fact it downright frightening.
 
Ha!

Women will fall for anything..

It's a very sad and scary thought that those books were best sellers, there must have been a lot of lonely women in the mid 90's.

Having said that, people who seriously followed through with those "RULES" , would have had little or no self confidence/belief in themselves, and it might have been helpful as a guide.

Personally, I don't think you can go through life doing what a book tells you, you have to go on what you feel is right at the time, then learn from your mistakes.
 
Who read that Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus crap?

My wife read it and shook her head at the calculated ridiculousness of it.

Yet my sister in law read it and was walking around saying "Hmm, that guy said X so I'd better do Y or he'll think Z, because he's a man, and that way I'll be able to train him to do what I want him to do."

But I think that when the guy said "Can you get me a beer", he probably just wanted a beer.

Usually a cigar is just a cigar.
 
Originally posted by mouldy_bread
Ha!
Women will fall for anything..

Sadly, I agree with that :o

But, anyone who follows what someone else's experiences are from a book, are very insecure or have no compulsion to think for themselves.

Never mind, we're all losers at some stage in the game of love...
umm... I never said I was an expert.

cripes I can't help replying to these threads.... :D
 
Originally posted by mouldy_bread
Ha!

Women will fall for anything..

It's a very sad and scary thought that those books were best sellers, there must have been a lot of lonely women in the mid 90's.

Having said that, people who seriously followed through with those "RULES" , would have had little or no self confidence/belief in themselves, and it might have been helpful as a guide.

Personally, I don't think you can go through life doing what a book tells you, you have to go on what you feel is right at the time, then learn from your mistakes.

Yeah I guess that's true, and for someone with little self-confidence, books like that might even give them a bit of confidence to get out there.........but really even under those circumstances books like that should only be used as a guideline, I agree with you that, as I said earlier, it's a matter of instinct more than copying situations that you've read in a book. :eek:
 

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the eighties had lots of self help titles which seemed to have masochistic themes like the good women bad choices type thing or why do I feel guilty when I say no and if men are buses why do I never catch one etc. with the woman always the victim. The nineties seemed to make it a game with Venus/Mars and The Rules but the same stereotypes are brought out- even pseudo psych crap like Pease's recent one that went something like men can't do something and women can't read maps. I could not believe that they are still pumping them out. Just ignore them or read them but I would guess that the only helpful bits would be common sense really but I find them slightly offensive like you babycakes.

I find much more disconcerting that in this day and age the back half of Aust. women's mags are filled with psychic nonsence and horoscopes and numbers and fengshui and other rubbish - I just hope the letters are made up and they are not preying on some poor souls who are in such desperate circumstances that they will grab at any straw.
 
What works in one situation may not work in another situation. That's where those sort of books fall down - the advice may have worked for that particular author with the person they wanted at the time; but even with the same 2 people, in another time or another situation it may not have.
There are no rules. You're best off just following your own instincts, and if it doesn't work out then the person you wanted is probably a dud anyway.
 
A girl I used to work with owns every possible relationship help book you can think of. She brought The Rules book into work one day and I was skimming through it. I couldn't believe she'd even read it.

They say in it that you have to let the guy open the car door for you and do all this other crap because it will make him feel in charge and more comfortable. If a woman wrote this book, she should be shot!

Oh, and the whole, never get undressed with the lights on, because it kills the mystery! Yet in "women" magazines we should be proud of our bodies! Hmmmmmm!

If I had of read and abided by those RULES I wouldn't be with my boyfriend now (yep, I did the persuing) and we wouldn't be saving for a house, and lifes fine, and I doubt I would have followed one rule from that book.

People should have more self-confidence and not waste money on those sort of books. If you want something to get you off your butt and out there, read Bridget Jones' Diary! It'd be just as helpful!
 
Thanks xbinny loved your reply it was fantastic. Trouble is I am pursuing and hitting a wall.I don't believe those rules books they make me sick. Like you said where would you be if you had done them nowhere. By the way I don't mean to get personal but how long it take to get this man of yours and can you give me any helpful hints. I don't believe in sitting on my butt either if I want something I try and do my bets to get it. Thats life hey.Thanks again for your inspiring post:)
 

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