The selectors

[Team DJ]

I love the "fans" on this board, they have an excuse/argument for everything.

Spinners, need to clean up the tail
Nek Minnet
Lyons wickets dont count becuase they were only tail enders.

and on and on and on and on

 

[Mateyman]

Here is something I posted on the North board a few months ago regarding Lyon, Wade, and the resultant figures:

Wait, what were those stats doing on the North board?

 

[Black Diamond]

Wait, what were those stats doing on the North board?

Not sure if serious.

There are a few cricket fans amongst the North board regulars and the most visible one started a thread just for cricket.

 

[Mateyman]

Not sure if serious.

There are a few cricket fans amongst the North board regulars and the most visible one started a thread just for cricket.

Just wondering, I thought that if North fans wanted to talk about cricket they'd just do it on the cricket board, anyway...

 

[Whowants2know]

We are all talking about the spinners, I would like to comment on Shane Watson, he has stated that he no longer wants to bowl (fair enough) and just be a batsman. The problem we have is.. Is he a test batsman??? has played 40 tests and scored 2 test 100s. For a number 4 batsmen no matter you say, these numbers dont add up, or I could put it another way.... Watson has only 2 more test centuries than Glenn Mcgrath!!!

 

[Black Diamond]

Just wondering, I thought that if North fans wanted to talk about cricket they'd just do it on the cricket board, anyway...

It wasn't my idea. I got board with that thread pretty quickly and haven't posted in it for ages. The Cricket Board is much better.

 

[Phone]

On the flip side, he had at least as many chances dropped by Wade/Clarke as his tailend wickets. Also, maybe the reason that those 2 day 5 failures aren't damaging to his average is that the reason he took few wickets were because the batsmen weren't at all attacking.

well yes that was implied.

as for the 1st, like I said, I don't think it has a large impact on his figures. Remove the nice easy cheap wickets circumstances sometimes allowed him to get, and add in the dropped catches/stumpings and what, he might have an average of 42 instead? That's even worse! The whole thing is he's been bowling terribly over a long period of time (to the above, he lost his control awhile ago. an eco. rate of 3.8 in 153 overs of shield cricket does not suggest good control, non did the actual performances) and it's more or less an understandable dropping. Long period of poor form & technical flaws (according to Ashley Mallett http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/history-lesson-for-lyon-20130111-2cl5h.html and seemingly according to the coaching stuff) = a damn good chance of a dropping

and also what's regulation anyway? I heard a catch Clarke dropped sometime this summer, I think in an ODIer, called regulation. It was off a cut shot. Slip catches from cut shots off spinners are almost never regulation.

 

[frankrizzo]

If you remove the "the nice easy cheap wickets circumstances sometimes allowed him to get" from the match just played then maxwell still hasn't taken a test wicket.

 

[sherb]

I love the "fans" on this board, they have an excuse/argument for everything.

Spinners, need to clean up the tail
Nek Minnet
Lyons wickets dont count becuase they were only tail enders.

and on and on and on and on

Someone has to take the tailenders' wickets.

 

[acuguy]

I am ready to be howled down for this

Chris Rogers 58 first class centuries at an ave of 50

David Hussey 41 first class centuries at an ave of 52

This might sound crazy but- even in their mid 30s these blokes are more of a chance of posting big scores in test cricket due to their proven ability to score big runs in 1st class cricket.

Apart from Clarke none of our batsmen have more than 17 first class centures. Rogers has more first class centuries than Watson, Warner, Cowan, Hughes and Wade put together!!!

 

[Phone]

If you remove the "the nice easy cheap wickets circumstances sometimes allowed him to get" from the match just played then maxwell still hasn't taken a test wicket.

I wouldn't class the Dhoni wicket as easy in the circumstances, but yes, 4/127 is very nice on Maxwell (non was the MSD wicket a wicket that Maxwell had all that much to do with...)

The problem is, it's incredibly hard to believe Lyon in his current form would have been of anymore use. This whole discussion is about getting people to remember that Lyon has been bowling poorly for a long period of time.

I love the "fans" on this board, they have an excuse/argument for everything.

Spinners, need to clean up the tail
Nek Minnet
Lyons wickets dont count becuase they were only tail enders.

and on and on and on and on

Well I haven't personally said 'Spinners, need to clean up the tail', but I see your point. I don't think when people say 'Spinners, need to clean up the tail' they mean "60% of a spinners wickets have to come from tailenders!" though. (as Lyon at one stage was. He's steadily worked that percentage of tailend wickets down to 49%. the cost? his average is steadily increasing.)

 

[frankrizzo]

I wouldn't class the Dhoni wicket as easy in the circumstances, but yes, 4/127 is very nice on Maxwell (non was the MSD wicket a wicket that Maxwell had all that much to do with...)

.

India were miles in front and were slogging when the wickets tumbled, lyon at least got tendulkar and kholi out when the match was still alive as a contest.

If you're are going to discount lyon's stats based on who he gets out and when then maxwell and doherty wickets from this match are pretty much worth next to nothing.

 

[The_Reaper]

I personally think that neither Maxwell or O'Keefe are good enough to be selected because of their batting.

 

[Phone]

India were miles in front and were slogging when the wickets tumbled, lyon at least got tendulkar and kholi out when the match was still alive as a contest.

If you're are going to discount lyon's stats based on who he gets out and when then maxwell and doherty wickets from this match are pretty much worth next to nothing.

well yeah but MSD was basically slogging all innings in the other test!

I think both figures flatter the spinners. I also think Doherty was far more consistent than Lyon, posed at least as much a threat as Lyon, and I had faith and confidence that when Doherty was bowling, he wouldn't be getting smashed and smashed. As for Maxwell? Well I had no less amount of faith in him than I did Lyon. I don't think Lyon is crap even at his best. I think he's crap right now, and I don't know how anyone can say different. As a result, I don't think dropping him is a big deal. There's nothing there to suggest he was about to turn his game around and become a massive threat.

 

[Plugger35]

I personally think that neither Maxwell or O'Keefe are good enough to be selected because of their batting.

I wouldn't select them for their batting either but O'Keefe is at least a frontline spinner who's batting would probably be as useful as Maxwell at no.8.

Agar would probably be better than both as a long term prospect for a spinner that can bat at no.8.

 

[The_Reaper]

I wouldn't select them for their batting either but O'Keefe is at least a frontline spinner who's batting would probably be as useful as Maxwell at no.8.

Agar would probably be better than both as a long term prospect for a spinner that can bat at no.8.

Yeah
I'd go for O'Keefe over Maxwell any day of the week.

 

[Bucking Beads]

My biggest gripe about the selectors is the inconsistency. They give some an easy ride and others get ditched after one game. Some of their selections make no sense at all.

 

[The_Reaper]

My biggest gripe about the selectors is the inconsistency. They give some an easy ride and others get ditched after one game. Some of their selections make no sense at all.

Can you bring up who you think is inconsistent?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Can you bring up who you think is inconsistent?

The selectors are inconsistent.

 

[The_Reaper]

The selectors are inconsistent.

Which selections in particular?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Which selections in particular?

Well you've got the way they handled Finch in the ODI format. Khawaja just got flipped after 1 game. Hazelwood even in the picture for a baggygreen. Hastings getting a baggygreen before Bird. The Quiney debacle.

 

[Phone]

right now, it makes about 10000X more sense to drop Hughes than Cowan. But is it 'consistent'? I don't know. The hastings selection + 4 seamers at the SCG remain the only selections that really trouble me.

 

[The_Reaper]

Well you've got the way they handled Finch in the ODI format. Khawaja just got flipped after 1 game. Hazelwood even in the picture for a baggygreen. Hastings getting a baggygreen before Bird. The Quiney debacle.

I agree with the middle 3.

 

[Phone]

right now, it makes about 10000X more sense to drop Hughes than Cowan. But is it 'consistent'? I don't know. The hastings selection + 4 seamers at the SCG remain the only selections that really trouble me.

oh, in the test arena. ODI/T20 selections have pissed me off a fair bit

 

[King Elvis]

I reckon the logic behind Maxwell is that we want to go in with 4 quicks in England: Patto, Sids, Bird and Starc.

So Maxwell is being groomed as the psuedo all rounder/part time spinner that can support the 4 quicks while (in theory) strengthening our batting line up.

Not saying I agree with it, but I am sure that's the plan....

So the plan is to not worry about winning this Series?

We are a disaster.

We have a few good quicks, but they break down more than anyone in the world.

We have had a couple of decent spinners - we turn them after one poor performance.

We have some good batting options - we either don't select them, or, when we do, it's without rhyme or reason (Khawaja this Summer, Quiney fullstop).

Our best batsman refuses to bat up the order when our top order is unbelievably brittle (oh, and he's our Captain too) and constantly falling apart - with a habit of losing wickets in bunches.

We've got 4 openers - one of whom is basically saying the other should be dropped for him (and I'm a Watto fan).

This absolutely farcical 'rotation policy' - the only country in the world who seems to not worry about putting their best team on the park.

We don't have a Test quality all rounder... So we play two mediocre ones instead.

We refuse to select our best performing domestic spinner for a number of years (and apparently refuse to tell him while).

We rested our first choice pace attack in a game to decide the #1 ranking.




We are a complete mess.