The Side from now on

[astro_toby]

below is the way i believe we should line up for the remainder of the year. it has became quite obvious that our older players lack the ability to help lead a team to victory. also that they are not of the proper substance to show these young kids how it should b done.
solution? take the team of the experience players. play them off the bench, and in supporting roles around the ground...if they are lucky.

the others can be sent to coburg - and be required to wait for a player to be injured, or have a month of sensational football before even being remotely considered for seniors

b: McGuane Thursfield Raines
Hb: Bowden Polak King
c: Deledio Foley Newman
Hf: Jackson Richo Pettifer
F: Hughes Schulz Meyer
Foll: Pattison Polo Tambling
Int: Johnson Tuck Edwards White
Emr: Reiwoldt Krak Moore Hyde

i'd be happy with the above side being played for the remainder of the season.

it means by the beginning of next season, with simmonds, brown and cogs to return plus a near certain number one selection also, we can expect 4 quality players to be added to that side (and hopefully one more through trade or PSD ) - plus hopefully the emergence of reiwoldt & Jon. so basically a turnover of 7 players in the senior squad over the one season.

time to put them all under the boiler. see who burns and sinks, and who rises to the top.

that means that by next season, we should be looking at a side like this


b: McGuane Thursfield Raines
Hb: J.Bowden Polak Newman
c: Deledio Foley Polo
Hf: Cogs Richo Pettifer
F: Hughes Sculz Brown
Foll: Simmonds Johnson Tambling
Int: Edwards Jackson 1st Draft. Pattison
Emr: Meesen (psd hopefully) tuck, Meyer, Jon, Reiwoldt

with all those fella's as emergeces - breaking through for about 10-15 games also, and perhaps replacing richo, johnson, and j.bowden by seasons end. or atleast having j.bowden being able to escape the backline, and go forward or on a wing.

explanations: - i have played cog iN the forward line cos i doubt he will be able to play middle - legs wont hold upo, play him as a matty robbins type, muscle man forward - rotate him in the middle very sparsely.

i have also moved johnson back in the middle because i think he will come good - this season does not represent him and i don't think he will not improve. he will be a bonus next season, because he will improve - perhaps take the captaincy off of him.

thoughts?

 

[Goldust]

below is the way i believe we should line up for the remainder of the year. it has became quite obvious that our older players lack the ability to help lead a team to victory. also that they are not of the proper substance to show these young kids how it should b done.
solution? take the team of the experience players. play them off the bench, and in supporting roles around the ground...if they are lucky.

the others can be sent to coburg - and be required to wait for a player to be injured, or have a month of sensational football before even being remotely considered for seniors

b: McGuane Thursfield Raines
Hb: Bowden Polak King
c: Deledio Foley Newman
Hf: Jackson Richo Pettifer
F: Hughes Schulz Meyer
Foll: Pattison Polo Tambling
Int: Johnson Tuck Edwards White
Emr: Reiwoldt Krak Moore Hyde

i'd be happy with the above side being played for the remainder of the season.

it means by the beginning of next season, with simmonds, brown and cogs to return plus a near certain number one selection also, we can expect 4 quality players to be added to that side (and hopefully one more through trade or PSD ) - plus hopefully the emergence of reiwoldt & Jon. so basically a turnover of 7 players in the senior squad over the one season.

time to put them all under the boiler. see how burns and sinks, and who rises to the top.

So the fact we drew the other night was all because of Howat and Kingsley?

Two changes to that line-up. And a long way from our worst!

Just goes to show.......no depth!!!

 

[astro_toby]

So the fact we drew the other night was all because of Howat and Kingsley?

Two changes to that line-up. And a long way from our worst!

Just goes to show.......no depth!!!

its widely known we have no depth. the more important factor in that side is we have young players playing the key positions. play johnson tuck off the bench and any others out of the pockets and flanks.

we have no depth, everyone knows that

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Where's Peterson?

Will be a star. 3 goals in the thirds on the weekend, but it was his first game back since last year.

 

[Goldust]

Well, roll with it I say......though I've given up on Schulz. He's disinterested or not good enough...probably the former!

 

[astro_toby]

Well, roll with it I say......though I've given up on Schulz. He's disinterested or not good enough...probably the former!

agree- hopefully he comes good - but thats the beauty of that "preojected " side - depth will grow from it
for exapmle

schulz playing bad? - dropped, reiwoldt comes off emergency and is in

brown gets injured? meyer comes in and from his game from the remainder of this season - is a capable replacement

simmonds injured? - pattison and meesen (or hopefully another quality young ruck through the PSD ) can play

the only way we can produce depth is by playing the young while all is lost.

we have to just deal with the ramifications of that - which is probably losing a lot of games, and coping a fw hidings along that way

we are 0wins from 10 anyway - who cares?

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Has Jackson done enough to stay on the list?

Think about it, six off the list is probably a good number isn't it? That gives us 5 draft picks and 1 in the PSD.

The six who look gone at the moment IMO are:

Gaspar
Hall
Hartigan
Knobel
Kingsley
and one of
Casserly (would be very harsh)/Krakouer/Moore

Anyone agree?

 

[Goldust]

LIke to see young Jack back...and Cleve. Think we need to persist there.

Been hard to explain our season to non-Tiger supporters, Toby.

Usually nine or 10 straight losses would mean aseries of hidings. But other than Geelong, they just ain't coming!!!

We're a half decent thoroughbred who keeps finding trouble.

 

[astro_toby]

Has Jackson done enough to stay on the list?

Think about it, six off the list is probably a good number isn't it? That gives us 5 draft picks and 1 in the PSD.

The six who look gone at the moment IMO are:

Gaspar
Hall
Hartigan
Knobel
Kingsley
and one of
Casserly (would be very harsh)/Krakouer/Moore


Anyone agree?

im going to back jackson in - i think he will make it

delist gas, hall, knobel, kinsley, hartigan &perhaps (P.bowden,hyde, krak or moore)?

perhaps one of those four in the brackets, could be traded perhaps?

 

[Goldust]

Has Jackson done enough to stay on the list?

Think about it, six off the list is probably a good number isn't it? That gives us 5 draft picks and 1 in the PSD.

The six who look gone at the moment IMO are:

Gaspar
Hall
Hartigan
Knobel
Kingsley
and one of
Casserly (would be very harsh)/Krakouer/Moore

Anyone agree?

At the risk of Madtugger getting on here and telling us all he told us so, he told us so. Jackson is certainly going the right way about turning it all around. Think it's a matter of him actually applying himself and knowing the clock is ticking. I don't buy the lack of opportuity thing one bit....at AFL level you make your own opportunities. You perform you stay, you don't you go!!!!

Casserley I think you will find will stay and will probably crack it for a game shortly.

Knobel is the interesting one. Don't rate him, but we are deficient in that area and we may be stuck with him. Though I think we have to a degree coped without his non-contribution, so why waste space on the list. For all his faults, Pattison tries his a*** off and does do some good things. But.........those clangers!!!

 

[astro_toby]

At the risk of Madtugger getting on here and telling us all he told us so, he told us so. Jackson is certainly going the right way....

lol - yeah its a bit like that here isnt it? i too had written jackson off about a month ago - but have flipped on it. end of the day, the chips are well and truely down at the moment and he stood up while other senior chaps have laid down. he needs to maintain that quality now, otherwise he will be cut - but i am cheering him on to do it - much like i will with schulz, and i have been very critical of him also.

end of the day, we all want our players to succeed. and i will be more than happy if they can prove me wrong INDEFINITELY (there lies the challenge boys..)

 

[RichosGuns]

Has Jackson done enough to stay on the list?

Think about it, six off the list is probably a good number isn't it? That gives us 5 draft picks and 1 in the PSD.

The six who look gone at the moment IMO are:

Gaspar
Hall
Hartigan
Knobel
Kingsley
and one of
Casserly (would be very harsh)/Krakouer/Moore

Anyone agree?

Would be probably accurate in theory however, Kingsley signed a two year deal with the Tigers. On the up side from all accounts it wasn't a large contract so if we had to we could pay it out for next year like we did with Rodan this year

As for Hall and Knobel I think we will have to keep at least 1 of them unless we get the exact picks we want in the PSD and the normal draf.

Therefore I would have a stab atL
DELIST
Gasper: Already retired
Knobel: He just hasn't done anything, I would prefer Hall to stay on the list
Hartigan: Blokes like Newman, King, PBowden and Raines are all just superior to him in that position
Kingsley: Pay out his contract
Krakouer: All most a certainity to be moving on you would think
Either Moore or Jackson: They don't play the some positions but at the start of the year they both looked to be almost certain delistments. They have both improved but i still think there is only 1 spot on the list for them.
Either Howatt or Graham: I would prefer Graham to be delisted even though he is a developing Ruckman because he couldn't even get a game when all we had was Patto

Thats 6 from the Senior list and one from the rookier list (Howatt is a 2nd year rookie so he would have to be promoted). That leaves 5 spots on the Senior list and 1 on the rookie:

This would result in most likely 4 Draft picks, 1 pre-season draft pick, 1 rookie pick.

Although if you ask me, the club will be do some sort of trade at the end of the year which may see another player or two of our list (ie, Shultz, Meyer, etc.)

 

[bigpapagman]

below is the way i believe we should line up for the remainder of the year. it has became quite obvious that our older players lack the ability to help lead a team to victory. also that they are not of the proper substance to show these young kids how it should b done.
solution? take the team of the experience players. play them off the bench, and in supporting roles around the ground...if they are lucky.

the others can be sent to coburg - and be required to wait for a player to be injured, or have a month of sensational football before even being remotely considered for seniors

b: McGuane Thursfield Raines
Hb: Bowden Polak King
c: Deledio Foley Newman
Hf: Jackson Richo Pettifer
F: Hughes Schulz Meyer
Foll: Pattison Polo Tambling
Int: Johnson Tuck Edwards White
Emr: Reiwoldt Krak Moore Hyde

i'd be happy with the above side being played for the remainder of the season.

it means by the beginning of next season, with simmonds, brown and cogs to return plus a near certain number one selection also, we can expect 4 quality players to be added to that side (and hopefully one more through trade or PSD ) - plus hopefully the emergence of reiwoldt & Jon. so basically a turnover of 7 players in the senior squad over the one season.

time to put them all under the boiler. see who burns and sinks, and who rises to the top.

that means that by next season, we should be looking at a side like this


b: McGuane Thursfield Raines
Hb: J.Bowden Polak Newman
c: Deledio Foley Polo
Hf: Cogs Richo Pettifer
F: Hughes Sculz Brown
Foll: Simmonds Johnson Tambling
Int: Edwards Jackson 1st Draft. Pattison
Emr: Meesen (psd hopefully) tuck, Meyer, Jon, Reiwoldt

with all those fella's as emergeces - breaking through for about 10-15 games also, and perhaps replacing richo, johnson, and j.bowden by seasons end. or atleast having j.bowden being able to escape the backline, and go forward or on a wing.

explanations: - i have played cog iN the forward line cos i doubt he will be able to play middle - legs wont hold upo, play him as a matty robbins type, muscle man forward - rotate him in the middle very sparsely.

i have also moved johnson back in the middle because i think he will come good - this season does not represent him and i don't think he will not improve. he will be a bonus next season, because he will improve - perhaps take the captaincy off of him.

thoughts?

why have you dropped king for next year??? WTF?

 

[lids2004roar]

Jackson has done enough to stay on the list, he was only 20 a month or so ago and he's pretty much the same age as Tambling/Patto/Meyer/Polo.

I hope we rotate youngsters every week, eg in your side Matt White will play most remaining games but I want to see Connors, Casserly, JON, Peterson etc rotated for the same position.

It would be great to drop a few of the crap seniors though, or at least banish them to lesser roles.

Obviously they can't help those around them.

They can't win, they can't teach how to win.

They can't even play well themselves.

 

[astro_toby]

why have you dropped king for next year??? WTF?

king should be on there as an emergency. overlooked him, just missed him. i think he still has a bit to prove yet though - he isn't as young as the others - people forget that. raines, tambo, deledio, jon, jackson, edwards, meyer, patto, tuck, are all younger than him.

i do like what i have seen so far of king though, so i meant no insult to him with him not included in the projected side. just overlooked.

 

[astro_toby]

It would be great to drop a few of the crap seniors though, or at least banish them to lesser roles.

Obviously they can't help those around them.

They can't win, they can't teach how to win.

They can't even play well themselves.

it's a sad fact, but unfortunately we cant deny, or excuse their misgivings anymore.

time to ultimately - move on.

 

[Madtiger2006]

The first ones to go would have to be Hall, Kingsley and Johnson

 

[astro_toby]

The first ones to go would have to be Hall, Kingsley and Johnson

lol - your obsession with johnson is much like that someone would have with an ex wife - ****ing whore

 

[Madtiger2006]

lol - your obsession with johnson is much like that someone would have with an ex wife - ****ing whore

Well he's not in my 22 and never will be

 

[astro_toby]

Well he's not in my 22 and never will be

quite clearly - i have seen him play this season, so i can understand your train of thought

personally, i think he has proven beyond this year that he can be an exceptional player - and i believe that he can re-produce that, or atleast to 80-90% of that. perhaps the captaincy is too much pressure for him.

if we are going to beleive that oyr young guns can come good on the potential they have shown they MIGHT possess, then i'm willing a quality player and person, like johnson, show the ability he HAS possessed.

 

[NQTIGER]

below is the way i believe we should line up for the remainder of the year. it has became quite obvious that our older players lack the ability to help lead a team to victory. also that they are not of the proper substance to show these young kids how it should b done.
solution? take the team of the experience players. play them off the bench, and in supporting roles around the ground...if they are lucky.

the others can be sent to coburg - and be required to wait for a player to be injured, or have a month of sensational football before even being remotely considered for seniors

b: McGuane Thursfield Raines
Hb: Bowden Polak King
c: Deledio Foley Newman
Hf: Jackson Richo Pettifer
F: Hughes Schulz Meyer
Foll: Pattison Polo Tambling
Int: Johnson Tuck Edwards White
Emr: Reiwoldt Krak Moore Hyde

i'd be happy with the above side being played for the remainder of the season.

it means by the beginning of next season, with simmonds, brown and cogs to return plus a near certain number one selection also, we can expect 4 quality players to be added to that side (and hopefully one more through trade or PSD ) - plus hopefully the emergence of reiwoldt & Jon. so basically a turnover of 7 players in the senior squad over the one season.

time to put them all under the boiler. see who burns and sinks, and who rises to the top.

that means that by next season, we should be looking at a side like this


b: McGuane Thursfield Raines
Hb: J.Bowden Polak Newman
c: Deledio Foley Polo
Hf: Cogs Richo Pettifer
F: Hughes Sculz Brown
Foll: Simmonds Johnson Tambling
Int: Edwards Jackson 1st Draft. Pattison
Emr: Meesen (psd hopefully) tuck, Meyer, Jon, Reiwoldt

with all those fella's as emergeces - breaking through for about 10-15 games also, and perhaps replacing richo, johnson, and j.bowden by seasons end. or atleast having j.bowden being able to escape the backline, and go forward or on a wing.

explanations: - i have played cog iN the forward line cos i doubt he will be able to play middle - legs wont hold upo, play him as a matty robbins type, muscle man forward - rotate him in the middle very sparsely.

i have also moved johnson back in the middle because i think he will come good - this season does not represent him and i don't think he will not improve. he will be a bonus next season, because he will improve - perhaps take the captaincy off of him.

thoughts?

Cant agree with meyer.......the kid has no heart for the club, send him to the rock apes (port adelaide)

 

[NQTIGER]

The first ones to go would have to be Hall, Kingsley and Johnson

u are right johnson is gone, just like gaspar, and if we think the RFC wont do it to its captain (and i use that word loosely)
remember what we did to knighter

 

[Rayzorwire]

Has Jackson done enough to stay on the list?

Think about it, six off the list is probably a good number isn't it? That gives us 5 draft picks and 1 in the PSD.

The six who look gone at the moment IMO are:

Gaspar
Hall
Hartigan
Knobel
Kingsley
and one of
Casserly (would be very harsh)/Krakouer/Moore

Anyone agree?

Gaspar (already retired)

Hartigan (injury prone too early in his career to be long term)

Moore (nowhere man)

Kingsley (don't get me started)

Knobel (injury is apparently degenerative)

Tivendale (will be 29, isn't getting us anywhere and after next draft he'll have a dozen kids who need to be tried in his type of role in what will be a development year again - bite the bullet and do it now)

Krakouer is possible low value trade bait for a late pick rather than a player - opens up a spot.

McGuane is debatable, as is P Bowden if he's going to be struggling with injury - probably one more year.

The extent of Hyde's back problems and the possibility they'll be ongoing need to be considered when evaluating him.

Hall should be retained if he is physically up to it long term, if not give him rd. 21/22 for his 100th - he's earned that much.

The rookies are very interesting...possibility Casserley may drop to there or off the list altogether if he can't get his body right. One or two may be in similar positions.

Graham may be on thin ice if we draft Kreuzer and see something preferable in the late pick/rookie range. Probably have to choose between Howat and King come draft time - I'd keep the latter.

Haven't heard much on Clingan - couldn't comment.

At face value this looks a significantly weaker draft than last year. Might not be much worth taking late or in the rookie draft seeing we already have so many young players who are unproven and/or slow to develop.

We already have six players yet to debut, add another 5-6 and that leaves us with a realistic playing list of maybe 29-30 at best - plus rookies who can only come in with long term injuries.

Doesn't leave a lot of room for the sort of injuries we've been known to suffer and a bit of realistic selection pressure on the 22 picked.

 

[astro_toby]

Cant agree with meyer.......the kid has no heart for the club, send him to the rock apes (port adelaide)

well, i honestly can't say i have seen him do anything to say that isn't true. he doesn't show much emotion out there.

basically we invested a prized pick for him - we can either let him walk out to adelaide, (and we know either port or the crows will get the most out of him), get next to nothing for him - let him avoid ever having to put his name on the line in front of the media and thebig crowds, the humiliation of being a passenger in front of 40, 50, 60,000people.

or we can tell him

"like it or not, we believe in you as a player, we used a valuable assest to take you, so much is our faith in you as a player - so we are going to select you to play the remainder of the season in the richmond seniors.

If you want to put in sub standard, unspirited performance's for our club, and walk out on us - then we aren't going to help you one iota. we are NOT going to let you hide out in the suburbs playing for coburg, we are NOT going to trade you to a south australian side...

instead, we are going to make you play senior afl football -

you are going to play against players who really do give a stuff. players who will murder a player who is playing for the opposition to earn a win for their teammates.

you are going to be representing the richmond football club.

you are also going to be representing yourself, and your family

if you want to stink out there - you can do it where everyone can see, your family, your mates back home,& among everyone else - the thousand's sitting in the stands - we are NOT going to hide your performance away any longer.

if you go out there, and play like you don't care - then we'll let the supporters who really do give a shit about this club let you know how they feel about that - and you can look your teammates in the eye, and try and explain your performance after every game - because they give a ****.

Or you can go out there, and play like you do give a stuff - and re-pay the faith that this club had in your ability as a player and a person - and do the best you bloody can for us

take it or leave it Danny, but it could be an awfully long 13 weeks till this season ends"

no more free rides. no more hiding from responsibility. if its true he is tanking so he can go home - thenn don't do him any favours by hiding him at coburg - let him be humiliated for his performances - send a clear message out there that we dont take crap from our players.

port did it with stevens , carlton did the same last year with thornton and jordan russell - they refused to trade either of them, and threatened to pick them both up in the psd if they walked. stevens missed out in playing in a grand final side - both of thornton and russell stayed. thornton is playing fantastic footy - and russell is having to play his arse off to get a game - and is definitely not home in adelaide.


i don't necessarily believe danny is doing that to us - but many people do - and if thats the case then screw him - crash and burn.

if not - well, keep on trying mate