The Superclasico Overkill thread

[Zidane98]

I don't understand all of the Barca hate on here, they generally play the game the way it is meant to be played and resort to unsporting conduct when playing opponents who are out to kick them and generally play negative football. They don't rely on referees anywhere near as much as teams like United in England and Juve back in Serie A (before they got relegated).

Yes, it was poor what Barca resorted to in the last Classico but that was purely down to Madrid's disgraceful anti football tactics.

 

[vesra]

So its okay to send messages out that if one team employs legal tactics to win a game its ok to cheat to beat them? Don't you nutters understand in sport you can play more than one way. If Barca are so good why do they need to cheat to try and win? Its a simple question but no one can answer it

 

[BarcaRulz]

So its okay to send messages out that if one team employs legal tactics to win a game its ok to cheat to beat them? Don't you nutters understand in sport you can play more than one way. If Barca are so good why do they need to cheat to try and win? Its a simple question but no one can answer it

It is NOT ok to keep hitting players off the ball and play as aggressive as Mourinhos teams do. To put it simply, it is why his teams keep getting players sent off.

In the past two games both Pedro and Villa have been hit off the ball, and Villa has also been stomped as well. About five of our players have also been blocked off the ball before making a run. Yet Real got away with it, and obviously certain Barca players were told that they can do what is necessary to make any contact clear. Yes, it is extremely dirty, but we don't usually play like this except against teams who employ these tactics (mind you we do have some habitual divers, but every team does).

 

[Coledinho]

A sport that may better fit your tastes BarcaRulz

 

[BarcaRulz]

A sport that may better fit your tastes BarcaRulz

Have never missed a recital.

As for your sport, I think most people on BF would love it if you took up Russian roulette.

 

[Kompany]

It is NOT ok to keep hitting players off the ball and play as aggressive as Mourinhos teams do. To put it simply, it is why his teams keep getting players sent off.

In the past two games both Pedro and Villa have been hit off the ball, and Villa has also been stomped as well. About five of our players have also been blocked off the ball before making a run. Yet Real got away with it, and obviously certain Barca players were told that they can do what is necessary to make any contact clear. Yes, it is extremely dirty, but we don't usually play like this except against teams who employ these tactics (mind you we do have some habitual divers, but every team does).

It's completely beyond me how people don't recognise this. Mourinho knows he can't beat us by playing football, so he has to create war on and off the pitch. If he gets a ref, like in the copa final, who's happy to allow the Real players to do what they want, he's got a good chance of winning. If he doesn't, well then he can still complain and divert the attention away from the fact that he couldn't do any better. The fact that we had 2 fights at half time in the dugout in just 3 games tells you exactly what Mourinho wanted out there.

People who believe we should just accept all this bullying and not fight back in a way that suits us are seriously deluded.

 

[glenferry23]

- the persistent crowding of the ref at almost every decision

- having blokes (such as valdes) charge in from 20-30 metres away to shout their opinion to the referee when they weren't even involved in the foul/decision

- trying to dictate decisions by gesturing/waving hands in 'the give a yellow card' motion

- feigning serious injury (such as grabbing their face when no contact was made with the head) in order to get their opponents into trouble

all of the above (and probably more) have been around well before the recent real vs barcelona matches. so its a bit of a one dimensional argument to keep implying the methods real madrid adopted force barcelona's hand, as the above behavior is a becoming a regular feature in barcelona matches (regardless of the team they're playing against).

yes, in some shape or form most teams unfortunately display some similar traits. but not at the persistent level we're seeing here. at the risk of sounding like a broken record, i again pay homage to the greatness of barcelona and the peerless football they put together. but their football is good enough to win trophy after trophy without having to resort to poor sportsmanship.

 

[Kompany]

All of those things have been around in football for decades. Yet some would have you believe we're the only ones doing it.

Real aren't the first team to play like that against us.

I'll keep saying that in a perfectly fair game, we will try to pass the ball around. It's simple. This team is good at that and it knows that sooner or later the opponents will get tired and give away space, as it's easier to play the ball around than to chase it for 90 minutes.

We don't want free kicks. It not only allows the opponent to reorganise themselves, but it also gives them the advantage of defending in group, which is easier for them as many other teams have bigger players on average and don't find it too hard to defend against us from set pieces.

Some teams want to defend in a way that is as close as possible to what is allowed, or better, as close to what the ref allows them to do. By giving press conferences beforehand, Mourinho was already trying to influence the ref, knowing that he needed one, like in the copa final, who'd be reluctant to punish Real's players for consistent fouling. I find it extremely understandable that our players react to this, in their own way which suits them best. It's cheating and I don't like it at all, but I'd much rather see them answer to cheating by cheating back, rather than not do anything and lose.

Do you realise what Mourinho was complaining about after the first of the 4 games 2 weeks ago? He was complaining that one of his players got a red card, while that player had clearly pulled down Villa who appeared alone in front of Casillas. How is that not a red card? We all know it was a red, it's painfully obvious, yet Mourinho went on and on again how one of his players had gotten a red. The guy's talking bs for a living. Mourinho didn't complain about Marcelo going over Alves' leg in the first game. Neither did he complain about his players doing everything to get Crouch sent off. But keep swollowing if you want.

 

[apollo_creed]

It is NOT ok to keep hitting players off the ball and play as aggressive as Mourinhos teams do. To put it simply, it is why his teams keep getting players sent off.

In the past two games both Pedro and Villa have been hit off the ball, and Villa has also been stomped as well. About five of our players have also been blocked off the ball before making a run. Yet Real got away with it, and obviously certain Barca players were told that they can do what is necessary to make any contact clear. Yes, it is extremely dirty, but we don't usually play like this except against teams who employ these tactics (mind you we do have some habitual divers, but every team does).

argument fails because you do this in any big game, or especially when your side is behind/things aren't going your way.

has nothing to do with mourinho. so stop making excuses.

 

[BarcaRulz]

argument fails because you do this in any big game, or especially when your side is behind/things aren't going your way.

has nothing to do with mourinho. so stop making excuses.

Please name big name games NOT against Mourinhos teams that we have been like this.

Yes we crowd referees, and have divers, but this game was beyond ridiculous by both teams, and neither team usually plays like this.

Our biggest games against opposition you are familiar with (Arsenal both ties this year and last, and ManU CL final) were nothing like this.

 

[Jolldo87]

Anyone want to guess which ref has been appointed to this game?

 

[Kompany]

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/0...o-is-arrogant-and-harming-real-madrids-image/

“Luckily, Mourinho’s destructive tactics, aimed solely at provoking and destroying the opponents’ gameplan, did not work,” Hitzfeld wrote in German football magazine Kicker.

“Such a way of playing does not relate to the demands of Real, it’s really shameful for Real Madrid. It harms the good name and image of this legendary club.”

“I’ve met him at UEFA meetings and his behaviour is faithful to his image: arrogant, haughty, chewing gum and somewhat of a boor.”

 

[BarcaRulz]

Anyone want to guess which ref has been appointed to this game?

It's the same one who canceled a perfectly good goal for us last season in the semi final second leg.

 

[Jolldo87]

It's the same one who canceled a perfectly good goal for us last season in the semi final second leg.

The one that got sucked in by Busquets cheating. Any ref that is going to reward diving is perfect for your team.

So he may be impartial but if he's going to be touchy on fouls and going to be sucked in because someone rolls around like a clown then that's perfect for Barcelona.

 

[Kompany]

Busquets making a fool of himself does not change the fact that Motta raised his hands. You can't do that. Motta was punished for just that.

None of us were happy with what Busquets did. Or Alves. Or Pedro. But you should seriously move on. You've been complaining numerous times about our players exaggerating injuries while you seem to have no problems with them being bullied, kicked and pushed on and off the ball. Do you want the game to be fair or not?

 

[BarcaRulz]

The one that got sucked in by Busquets cheating. Any ref that is going to reward diving is perfect for your team.

So he may be impartial but if he's going to be touchy on fouls and going to be sucked in because someone rolls around like a clown then that's perfect for Barcelona.

Just because he fell for a dive, doesn't make him 'touchy' and 'soft'. If you had seen the game you would realize he let a fair bit of niggle go.

I'm also 100% sure UEFA did this just to spite Mourinho cause they hate the ****er!

 

[Jolldo87]

Busquets making a fool of himself does not change the fact that Motta raised his hands. You can't do that. Motta was punished for just that.

None of us were happy with what Busquets did. Or Alves. Or Pedro. But you should seriously move on. You've been complaining numerous times about our players exaggerating injuries while you seem to have no problems with them being bullied, kicked and pushed on and off the ball. Do you want the game to be fair or not?

Motta wasn't a red.

I'd love the game to be fair. Your players get looked after pretty well. It's not like teams go around kicking you and the refs turn a blind eye.

The diving and surrounding of the ref annoys me because you never get punished for it. In fact you actually get rewarded for it. Every team does it but the scale of Barcelona is far greater than any other side in the world i've seen. If UEFA were serious Busquets and Alves would be at least banned for this match.

 

[Kompany]

Yeah I'm not complaining

But seriously, I do believe we've also had decisions consistently go against us in the recent copa final, at Inter last season and at home against Chelsea the season before, so it's definitely not like we always get things going our way.

Don't remember enough of Motta to think if it was a red or not (I think I thought it was quite harsh), but I remember he did raise his hands which should get any player into trouble, even if it's not fair. Pepe's I believe was a good call - it's not because he doesn't hit Alves full on and Alves puts on a show that Pepe's intention and action (stretched leg and face turned away from the ball) don't deserve a red. Albiol was a clear red. No idea what Mourinho was moaning about other than putting pressure on the ref.

I'd like to see a ref to better realise what goes on out there. Mourinho had clearly instructed to annoy the shit out of our players, not just by "playing hard" but also by bullying them off the ball. In the first game already you could see how agitated Messi had gotten, very unlike him, and the 2 fights at half time in just 3 games are also an indication of what was going on.

Now our players could've tried to ignore the bullying and let it go on for the rest of the games, or they could've taken revenge by kicking or hitting back. Mourinho would've loved both scenarios and obviously neither would've done us any good. So instead certain players tried to get back by exaggerating injuries, obliging the ref to do something. Pedro in the last game was a great example - Real are complaining about his antics, but don't say a word about Marcelo stamping on his leg while he was on the ground, which I cannot imagine was an accident.

 

[apollo_creed]

Kompany you can't defend cheating mate.

And your players are hated because of the way they act.

It's a shame really because you'll never get the appreciation your football, and superiority deserves because of your behaviour. The more enemies, the less credit mate.

Did Guardiola have a straight face when he came out with his latest stuff?

Criticise Mourinho all you want but his delusion is at the very least equalled by Guardiola.
If he can't see any fault in his players, and allows it to continue it says alot about him.
He can try and pretend to be Mr. Diplomatic - or whatever he likes but while his players are out there disgracing the shirt with everything but their football he should be concerned. Not turn a blind, deluded eye.

Don't expect much from your lot tommorow morning because the tie is as good as won.
However, as I've always maintained (and am continually proven correct) it only comes out when it needs to come out.

 

[BarcaRulz]

Kompany you can't defend cheating mate.

And your players are hated because of the way they act.

It's a shame really because you'll never get the appreciation your football, and superiority deserves because of your behaviour. The more enemies, the less credit mate.

Did Guardiola have a straight face when he came out with his latest stuff?

Criticise Mourinho all you want but his delusion is at the very least equalled by Guardiola.
If he can't see any fault in his players, and allows it to continue it says alot about him.
He can try and pretend to be Mr. Diplomatic - or whatever he likes but while his players are out there disgracing the shirt with everything but their football he should be concerned. Not turn a blind, deluded eye.

Don't expect much from your lot tommorow morning because the tie is as good as won.
However, as I've always maintained (and am continually proven correct) it only comes out when it needs to come out.

It is funny how you have yet to answer my question regarding when we have played like this previously, against opposition NOT coached by Mourinho.

It is clearly a counter-tactic for the shit he serves up.

Just recently against English opposition:

- Chelsea: we were lucky obviously, but the team did not flop around and dive around, if anything Drogba was the biggest diver of the day.

- ManU: comprehensively beat them, no issues with diving/surrounding the ref.

- Arsenal '10: Two great games over two legs. No issues in that regard. Again, biggest dive would have to be Cesc in the first leg.

- Arsenal '11: First game in good spirits, second game took a little bit of a nasty turn when both sets of players became furious at incorrect decisions. Few scuffles, but that was it.

It is only against Mourinhos Chelsea, and his Inter that Barca have used this tactic to bring to light all the BS his players get away with. I'm not saying it is right, but neither is what Mourinho is doing, creating a sense of hate between two sets of opposition players.

 

[apollo_creed]

Your team surrounds the ref like no other in nearly every CL game I've seen them play.

It's a common trait and it's a bad one.

Diving? There's a select few who are pitiful and it's only heightened when the big matches roll around.

It's not confined to games against Mourinho, it's confined to games that matter.

As for answering your question - I'd have to look back at your fixtures over the last three seasons and I could then answer it.

 

[BarcaRulz]

Your team surrounds the ref like no other in nearly every CL game I've seen them play.

It's a common trait and it's a bad one.

Diving? There's a select few who are pitiful and it's only heightened when the big matches roll around.

It's not confined to games against Mourinho, it's confined to games that matter.

As for answering your question - I'd have to look back at your fixtures over the last three seasons and I could then answer it.

Well, it's nice to see you are ready to pull the trigger when it matters.

Every team has certain players that dive, we have Busqi and Alves, Chelsea for example have Drogba and now Torres, ManU have Rooney and Nani, etc etc.

I'm pretty sure that every game I listed is a game that matters, yet nothing? You can also include Shaktar, Lyon, Bayern as games that matter in the last three season, and nothing there either.

 

[BarcaRulz]

Real starting with Kaka and Higuain. Barca full team apart from Masch having to play as CB again, which means Puyol at LB.

This should be interesting.

 

[ashley12]

Kaka has been so absent.

I really want to see a Real Madrid goal to set really get this game cracking.

 

[ObaMartins]

lol @ the ref. What a biased ****.