The Unexpected trades

[Mego Red]

Okay - let's be honest. We're all holding out for those unexpected trades (well, holding out for that, and getting some of the picks back we gave away with Wayne) - so this is the official thread for proposing trades such as Ben Finnin for Ronnie Burns.

And I'll start:

Michael Doughty and Marty Mattner for Nathan Eagleton and Patrick Wiggins. Looks like the Bulldogs can't afford Nathan (he's only 24) and Wiggins is big and mobile.

Plus - what for Perrie? Geelong have either Harley (mobile, very improved) or Kingsley (can kick a bag, but complete space cadet). One of those, plus pick 22? There's also pick 7, but is that wishful thinking?

 

[DaveW]

Well your post certainly lived up to its title.

 

[lozstar]

Originally posted by Kristof
Michael Doughty and Marty Mattner for Nathan Eagleton and Patrick Wiggins. Looks like the Bulldogs can't afford Nathan (he's only 24) and Wiggins is big and mobile.

errr.. a big no-no to that one

Originally posted by Kristof
Plus - what for Perrie? Geelong have either Harley (mobile, very improved) or Kingsley (can kick a bag, but complete space cadet). One of those, plus pick 22? There's also pick 7, but is that wishful thinking?

I wouldn't mind either Harley or Kingsley.. but wouldn't Geelong want an arm and a leg for them? (alot more than perrie anyway!)

 

[Mego Red]

Re: Re: The Unexpected trades

Originally posted by lozstar
errr.. a big no-no to that one

Cool - but why?

Doughty < Eagleton
Mattner < Wiggins (he has more value as a Tall and potential KPP)

The only reason WB would trade Eagleton would be $$$ - he had a fantastic last six months after spending a year or so all at sea after WB tried to remake him into a tagger ...

I wouldn't mind either Harley or Kingsley.. but wouldn't Geelong want an arm and a leg for them? (alot more than perrie anyway!)

Maybe. I think they'd be curious about Kingsley trade proposals, as the guy is ridiculously unreliable - but playing a very valuable positition. Perrie has more value than Harley, as he's just a flanker, though one the better ones running around in the AFL. We would possibly be the ones stepping away from this trade.

Throw more trades out there, folks! I'm sick of reading about the HMS Holland!

 

[DaveW]

Re: Re: Re: The Unexpected trades

Originally posted by Kristof
Mattner < Wiggins (he has more value as a Tall and potential KPP)

Wiggins is rubbish.

What an insult to Mattner.

 

[Mego Red]

Originally posted by DaveW
Wiggins is rubbish.

What an insult to Mattner.

Maybe. But it'd be hard to insult Mattner, considering what little value he has. Nothing personal ...

Funny, I could post this same trade at the WB board, and hear all about how Wiggins is all potential, has height, you never trade big for small, etc etc. I would have thought trading our third best tagger for a potential tall who may improve in our system is a worthy risk, but fair enough if you'd rather not.

 

[DaveW]

Perhaps I should mention I'm not exactly Marty Mattner's biggest fan either.

To be honest I haven't seen much of Wiggins. But you're the first person I've come across who has had any praise for him at all.

Just looking at the stats: 9 marks in 12 games... and this guy's supposed to be a KPP?

 

[Crow-mosone]

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Unexpected trades

Originally posted by DaveW
Wiggins is rubbish.

What an insult to Mattner.

Not to be rude, but ol' Marty didn't do that much this year...

 

[Mego Red]

Yeah - I may be sounding a bit desperate in my need for young and tall, because he does scream "Evan Hewitt".

I had originally looked at McMahon being the second player, but thought that was unlikely. Mostly Wiggins was a throw-in, because WB would want more than Doughty for Eagleton, and we'd want something else if we were adding a second player, and it's better to be tall and useless than short and useless.

 

[DaveW]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Unexpected trades

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
Not to be rude, but ol' Marty didn't do that much this year...

Wiggins did even less.

 

[Mego Red]

Comparing Mattner and Wiggins is like comparing levels of suckage. It's like measuring a vacuum.

I suppose my point was Wiggins was crap and TALL. And young ...

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Kristof
I suppose my point was Wiggins was crap and TALL. And young ...

Wiggins (jan 81) is a year and a half older than Mattner (aug 82).

Wiggins has played 12 games across 4 seasons.

 

[CrowBoi]

I'd love Tom Harley to come home and play for the Crows Don't think it'd happen though...

He'd be a perfect replacement for Ben Hart eventually... IMO

 

[Mego Red]

Originally posted by CrowBoi
I'd love Tom Harley to come home and play for the Crows Don't think it'd happen though...

He'd be a perfect replacement for Ben Hart eventually... IMO

Annoyingly, I have an AFL media guide right here, so I should have just compared their ages ... But I kind of meant that Wiggins was young (fullstop), not young (compared to Mattner), especially considering that tall guys often take longer to develop.

Anyway - is Perrie for Harley/22 worth chasing? Half back flankers aren't as high value as marking forwards, and Geelong can't get ANYONE to take the trip up the highway ... so they'd probably nibble - but is it what we want?

 

[Damp Squarie]

Originally posted by CrowBoi
I'd love Tom Harley to come home and play for the Crows Don't think it'd happen though...

He'd be a perfect replacement for Ben Hart eventually... IMO

agreed; but with Ben Hart destined to break Michael Tucks record Tom will grow old with mould on him

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Kristof



Michael Doughty and Marty Mattner for Nathan Eagleton and Patrick Wiggins. Looks like the Bulldogs can't afford Nathan (he's only 24) and Wiggins is big and mobile.

Plus - what for Perrie? Geelong have either Harley (mobile, very improved) or Kingsley (can kick a bag, but complete space cadet). One of those, plus pick 22? There's also pick 7, but is that wishful thinking?

Would not say no to the Eagleton trade,

Zilch to the next one, Mattner has a lot of improvement in him to come,

Would not trade Perrie unless for a decent kpp who could hold down chf in the likely event of us having to do without Carey & Stevens ala in 03,

At least Perrie will put in & compete plus his goal-kicking has improved heaps under the guidance of Fud,

 

[Stiffy_18]

I would have to say to both trades

The only person that would agree with you on getting Eagleton is dyertribe

Eagleton is not required and I would rather keep Doughty. Eagleton has done bugger all with Bulldogs. He only came good later in the year but heck anyone can get a run on late in the season.

Wiggins, is a heck. Hell we might as well keep Schell. Definetly not worth going after. In fact i think he will get delisted by the Doggies.

Harley would be handy but I would rather develop Parker who possibly has greater upside.

Kingsley - NO THANKS.

I would only trade Perrie if we got a decent KPP in return who can play at BOTH end of the ground. Eg. Ben Holland. BUT if we are offered pick 7 for Perrie and pick 29, I would take it and run.

I would rather get D. Motlop than Eagleton. At least the bloke has potential to be special and is 3-4 years younger.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
BUT if we are offered pick 7 for Perrie and pick 29, I would take it and run.

I would rather get D. Motlop than Eagleton. At least the bloke has potential to be special and is 3-4 years younger.

Pick 7 is my preferred option too Stiffy.

Motlop v Eagleton?? No comparison. Motlop has huge upside. Eagleton has shown he hasn't.

Unexpected was not quite the word I would have used for the trades proposed at the beginning of this thread - unacceptable is a lot closer!!

 

[macca23]

On the topic of unexpected trades, would we get much for Ben Rutten???

A young KPP who can play back or forward and kicked 3 goals at FF in his one and only AFL game.

I can't see him becoming a gun because of his lack of pace and mobility.

But there is a real shortage of KPP's around at the moment and he just might bring something decent.

Would you trade him and what do you think he might bring??

 

[Mego Red]

Originally posted by macca23
Pick 7 is my preferred option too Stiffy.

Motlop v Eagleton?? No comparison. Motlop has huge upside. Eagleton has shown he hasn't.

Unexpected was not quite the word I would have used for the trades proposed at the beginning of this thread - unacceptable is a lot closer!!

Alright - not that I want to get precious - and it's always a risk attacking any macca(s) or stiffy, who are to this board what Hird and Lloydy are to Essendon, -- BUT --

Pick 7 and 29? They GROW vegetables in Geelong, not they ARE vegetables in Geelong. Ben Holland is a cruise ship in tight shorts. Injured, slow - and did anyone see his last half season? He made Ben Rutten look like Ben Johnson. Before or after steroids.

Motlop? Love to have him, but POTENTIAL. And I didn't think it was either/or. Eagleton has proven more. International in '99 or '00. Motlop had three good games - Eagleton had most of a good season, once WB realised how to use him. No tag! Bad! And "rather have Doughty" - please...

Anyway, it was just an attempt to throw a few vaguely realistic, out-of-the-box trades into the mix - feel free to throw others ...

 

[Mego Red]

Originally posted by macca23
On the topic of unexpected trades, would we get much for Ben Rutten???

Maybe we'll get pick 7 and 29 for him!

 

[Mego Red]

No, seriously - if we, as a board (resembling something close to a bunch of monkeys with a keyboard and Fox Footy) have cottoned onto the fact that he's running in a different time zone to everyone else, don't you think the recruiting officers would have?

Maybe there's some value in the KPP thang, but one good quarter isn't going to get us much. Let's keep him, and hope that he improves in ways unexpected - I can't think the value would be too high.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Kristof

Motlop? Love to have him, but POTENTIAL. And I didn't think it was either/or. Eagleton has proven more. International in '99 or '00. Motlop had three good games - Eagleton had most of a good season, once WB realised how to use him. No tag! Bad! And "rather have Doughty" - please...

Anyway, it was just an attempt to throw a few vaguely realistic, out-of-the-box trades into the mix - feel free to throw others ...

There's that bloody word "Potential" again

Well i don't think your not that far of the mark in throwing Eagleton around as a trade for Doughty & would definitely be worth a look, can remember him playing well for the paps before he went over to the doggies where he seemed to lose his way & at age 24 he still could be a very handy on-baller/forward,

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Kristof
Alright - not that I want to get precious - and it's always a risk attacking any macca(s) or stiffy, who are to this board what Hird and Lloydy are to Essendon, -- BUT --

Pick 7 and 29? They GROW vegetables in Geelong, not they ARE vegetables in Geelong. Ben Holland is a cruise ship in tight shorts. Injured, slow - and did anyone see his last half season? He made Ben Rutten look like Ben Johnson. Before or after steroids.

I think you've misread this one.

What the Stiffmeister and I were wondering is whether Geelong would part with pick 7 for Perrie and OUR pick 29. Not that we get pick 29, as you seem to be suggesting was said.

They have more young talent than most clubs and need a ready made KPP up forward more than most clubs do and just ca'nt attract one.

They're also one of the 3 Vic clubs that have shown a stong interest in Perrie.

 

[Mego Red]

Originally posted by macca23
I think you've misread this one.

What the Stiffmeister and I were wondering is whether Geelong would part with pick 7 for Perrie and OUR pick 29. Not that we get pick 29, as you seem to be suggesting was said.

They have more young talent than most clubs and need a ready made KPP up forward more than most clubs do and just ca'nt attract one.

They're also one of the 3 Vic clubs that have shown a stong interest in Perrie.

So - I should have said that I'M the vegetable ...

As some previous math teachers have said to me - PAY ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS!!! Actually, it was past girlfriends that said that, but the point remains ...

Annoyingly - I think we completely agree. They need Perrie. He has an artificially high value because of that and the current marketplace (3 teams, etc). Sure, we'd love to keep him - but I remember Collingwood offering the number three pick for Ellen and scrap after one of our GF years, and we should have taken that then, too ...