The Vent Thread

[Simon_Nesbit]

....oh but at least it's real.

 

[BarcaRulz]

this didn't happen to me, but it happened to a mate at crown not 1 hour ago.

pre flop he had AcQc. Raises 3x, three callers.

Flop = 8c,7c,10x

one player raises, my mate is shortstacked and goes all in, everyone calls.

Turn = 4c.
River = x

He has Ace high flush, player 1 turns over two pair, player three turns over J high flush, player four turns over straight flush with 5c6c.

It was a WOW moment.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Last night had some shocking luck in one tournament. Both positive and negative.

First hand I am dealt pocket 10's and flop quads, with a king on the board. Guy two spots to my left in late position has pocket K's (full house) and just bets huge all the way down until I shove and he calls. So I figure I'm in a good spot but later had my set of kings beaten by an A high straight on the river and then my pocket A's beaten by a set of jacks on the river. To the same guy. Ended up finishing 4th but realistically should have taken that one easy.

Won a $22 entry SNG the other day though which was nice. I've noticed the play in SNG's is dramatically better/tighter above $10.

 

[Cartman121]

Won a $22 entry SNG the other day though which was nice. I've noticed the play in SNG's is dramatically better/tighter above $10.

I just think everyone sucks in SNG's. The most profitable level i've found is $20 - $30.

 

[BarcaRulz]

Playing a $10 SnG. 3 players left. I have roughly 5K in chips, the next one has 5.5K, the leader has around 9K.

I get dealt KK. I raise to 5xbb, they both call.

Flop comes up 5, 7, 10. Rainbow. I move all in cause i put them on Ax or something like that. Leader folds. Super-Idiot calls.

Turns out he called a 5xbb raise with 4-6 off.

Turn = 3.
River = who gives a shit..

Yay for internet poker.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Playing a $10 SnG. 3 players left. I have roughly 5K in chips, the next one has 5.5K, the leader has around 9K.

I get dealt KK. I raise to 5xbb, they both call.

Flop comes up 5, 7, 10. Rainbow. I move all in cause i put them on Ax or something like that. Leader folds. Super-Idiot calls.

Turns out he called a 5xbb raise with 4-6 off.

Turn = 3.
River = who gives a shit..

Yay for internet poker.

Yeah I've been getting those kinds of beats more than I'm winning at SNG's lately. I've had K's full of Aces FH busted by a middle straight flush on the river, even though I'd been raising heavily the whole way down. It's as if people look at a weak hand, then decide they're going to bluff, and then don't re-evaluate their betting the entire hand. they just play it as if its really strong even when they're being asked to put their stack on the line.

Killing me.

 

[Drummer_19]

Playing a $10 SnG. 3 players left. I have roughly 5K in chips, the next one has 5.5K, the leader has around 9K.

I get dealt KK. I raise to 5xbb, they both call.

Flop comes up 5, 7, 10. Rainbow. I move all in cause i put them on Ax or something like that. Leader folds. Super-Idiot calls.

Turns out he called a 5xbb raise with 4-6 off.

Turn = 3.
River = who gives a shit..

Yay for internet poker.

I would love to actually see you produce a hand history.
Also I would like to know what that blinds were at?
Position?
Why you're raising 5x?

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Ok, I am officially cursed atm.

I'm playing a $30 sng, and getting pocket pairs just every second hand for some reason. I get pocket 9's on the button. Raise to $150 (bb is $50) and get one caller. I'm second biggest stack and he's big stack, 6 left.

Flop comes A, 7, 9 rainbow. other player raises to $450, I reraise to $1,050, he shoves, I call.

He flips over A,7 and I'm all like YES.

Turn comes A. I'm all like SHIT.

River doesn't matter.

I just can't get a break at the moment.

 

[Cartman121]

Agh! I was 9th before this hand started, Mouse goes into a commanding chip-lead with 130 left/240 - $20 entry. 88 snap-called the shove . I've played against Mouse quite abit and know he's a good player, questioned him why he called and he wanted to go to bed, so fair enough. I've got $3k left blinds 75/150 so still have some play left.

Seat 4: lykos11 ($2,120 in chips)
Seat 5: raidelnimp ($4,385 in chips)
Seat 6: CERKA69 ($7,000 in chips)
Seat 7: philibert 68 ($3,585 in chips)
Seat 8: The.Mouse ($5,168 in chips)
Seat 10: king_cartman ($10,075 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
The.Mouse posts small blind ($50), king_cartman posts big blind ($100).

PRE-FLOP
lykos11 folds, raidelnimp folds, CERKA69 bets $225, philibert 68 folds, The.Mouse calls $175, king_cartman calls $125.

FLOP [board cards: 7S,9C,5C ]
The.Mouse checks, king_cartman checks, CERKA69 bets $425, The.Mouse bets $850, king_cartman bets $9,850 and is all-in, CERKA69 calls $6,350 and is all-in, The.Mouse calls $4,093 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards: 7S,9C,5C,JH ]


RIVER [board cards: 7S,9C,5C,JH,9S ]


SHOWDOWN
king_cartman shows [ 8C,7C ]
CERKA69 shows [ 8H,8D ]
The.Mouse shows [ KD,KH ]
king_cartman wins $3,075, CERKA69 wins $3,664, The.Mouse wins $15,504.

 

[paxmaniac]

I took a shot at a fish at 10/20 HU limit last night. It did not go well.

Here is the litany of bad beats:
-First hand, my KK beaten by his 45s runner-runner flush
-My TT beaten by his 23s rivered threes full of jacks
-My 88 beaten by his 36s rivered two pair
-My top pair Qs rivered by his pair of aces
-My turned straight (flopped oesd) counterfeited by his rivered gutshot for a split

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Not a bad beat as such, but this is my 'poker' thread atm.

Player on the table has folded virtually every time when pressured. Showed pocket jacks at one stage after folding, when the person who beat him had just 6s.

It comes up in a headsup with me - I've got Q/9, and make top pair with a Q/rubbish flop.

I bet pre-flop, he called, as did 1 other. Q/4/7
I checked post flop, he bet, (other folded) I called. A.
He checks, I check. J comes out. No flush. If he's got K/10 there's a straight.

He checks. I go all-in (big overbet - about 4x pot).

He thinks for a while (uh-oh, folds VERY quickly normally)....and eventually called - had me covered with about half his stack.

He had pocket Jacks. Hit his set on the river.

I think it was just a bit of bad luck with timing - or did I play it wrong?

If I'd bet post flop, (he had JJ in hand) I'm pretty sure he would have folded with a potential over-pair. Would that have been the right play?

 

[paxmaniac]

It comes up in a headsup with me - I've got Q/9, and make top pair with a Q/rubbish flop.

I bet pre-flop, he called, as did 1 other. Q/4/7
I checked post flop, he bet, (other folded) I called. A.
He checks, I check. J comes out. No flush. If he's got K/10 there's a straight.

He checks. I go all-in (big overbet - about 4x pot).

He thinks for a while (uh-oh, folds VERY quickly normally)....and eventually called - had me covered with about half his stack.

He had pocket Jacks. Hit his set on the river.

I think it was just a bit of bad luck with timing - or did I play it wrong?

If I'd bet post flop, (he had JJ in hand) I'm pretty sure he would have folded with a potential over-pair. Would that have been the right play?

[ ] bad luck with timing
[x] played it wrong

First of all, what's with the shove on the end? You have showdown equity, so why throw that away by turning the hand into a bluff? You said yourself that he folds to pressure, so he obviously isn't calling with a worse hand.

Second, you raise preflop and then check into two players with top pair weak kicker? That's asking for trouble. Bet the flop, maybe check the turn and try to see a showdown.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

He had me covered easily, so I wanted to force him to commit a good portion of his stack if he was to call. TBH even with Qs I was concerned he'd hung around and thought I needed to scare him off. I thought I was strong enough to beat him, but should have made the move earlier.

I got greedy. Was worried I'd 'throw away' top pair with a small-pot steal, and don't like playing short-stacked. (I tend to 'leak' chips - patience is not a strength).

It's funny. I know it's wrong, but I keep reading the play in such a way that I feel I have to call/bet/raise/etc.

 

[smiddaz123]

Not a bad beat as such, but this is my 'poker' thread atm.

Player on the table has folded virtually every time when pressured. Showed pocket jacks at one stage after folding, when the person who beat him had just 6s.

It comes up in a headsup with me - I've got Q/9, and make top pair with a Q/rubbish flop.

I bet pre-flop, he called, as did 1 other. Q/4/7
I checked post flop, he bet, (other folded) I called. A.
He checks, I check. J comes out. No flush. If he's got K/10 there's a straight.

He checks. I go all-in (big overbet - about 4x pot).

He thinks for a while (uh-oh, folds VERY quickly normally)....and eventually called - had me covered with about half his stack.

He had pocket Jacks. Hit his set on the river.

I think it was just a bit of bad luck with timing - or did I play it wrong?

If I'd bet post flop, (he had JJ in hand) I'm pretty sure he would have folded with a potential over-pair. Would that have been the right play?

Did I miss something?

This was heads up but there was a third person in the hand I'll put it down to a typo or me missing something.

Anyway, raising pre-flop and then hitting top pair is the perfect time to pull out the continuation bet isn't it? Slow playing top pair top kicker will never work out well...

The way you described him tells me he's only ever going to call you if he's got a really good hand, which means there's no point trying to induce a bluff from him or anything. I'd think you just bet the flop, if he folds, chances are you didn't waste much, since he wouldn't be calling on the turn/river unless he went ahead.

Just my opinion.

 

[SolidTiger]

He had me covered easily, so I wanted to force him to commit a good portion of his stack if he was to call. TBH even with Qs I was concerned he'd hung around and thought I needed to scare him off. I thought I was strong enough to beat him, but should have made the move earlier.

I got greedy. Was worried I'd 'throw away' top pair with a small-pot steal, and don't like playing short-stacked. (I tend to 'leak' chips - patience is not a strength).

It's funny. I know it's wrong, but I keep reading the play in such a way that I feel I have to call/bet/raise/etc.

I tend to find poker more of a marathon rather then a sprint. If you believe you have the best hand on the flop then bet reasonably hard (unless if you flop something like a full house or Ace high flush in which case you can slow play). The more players that stay in on the turn or river the bigger the chance for you to have a bad beat.

If you have pockets and hit a set on the flop take notice of all the card in the flop and just not your set. If there are two cards of the same suit or connectors then bet hard to try to win the pot or at the very least make it very expensive for them to chase a flush or straight. If there are no two cards of the same suit or connectors then it is a good idea to do a small raise to increase the pot. I know this is not what you had but this is an example of how safe I play.

The funny thing it is the hands where I try to "milk" chips from other players and then getting beaten on the river that I tend to regret. That is why I try to win the pot on the flop if I believe I'm ahead and can see potential for a bad beat.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Sorry, playing either 4 or 5 on the table (don't remember), ended up with the two of us post flop.

It sounds like I read the cards right, but strategy was wrong. I thought I was ahead, but didn't want him to fold post flop.

So if I had the continuation bet and he calls (with JJ against me he would surely have to), what then? An Ace comes on the table....do I check? Bet again?

 

[smiddaz123]

I'd bet again on the turn, if he calls/raises then give up on the pot.

If he's the kind of player you said he is, him calling both the flop and turn would be making your average queen pretty useless.

I'm surprised he didn't put in a re-raise pre flop to be honest....

 

[paxmaniac]

He had me covered easily, so I wanted to force him to commit a good portion of his stack if he was to call.

All you did was to guarantee that he would only call if he beat you. If you think you have the best hand (pretty unlikely after the turn call), you need to make a bet that a worse hand can call. The overbet shove only works if you think he might hero call with a worse hand (this does not sound like that sort of player).

 

[paxmaniac]

I took a shot at a fish at 10/20 HU limit last night. It did not go well.

Here is the litany of bad beats:
-First hand, my KK beaten by his 45s runner-runner flush
-My TT beaten by his 23s rivered threes full of jacks
-My 88 beaten by his 36s rivered two pair
-My top pair Qs rivered by his pair of aces
-My turned straight (flopped oesd) counterfeited by his rivered gutshot for a split

I found my villain again today, or rather, he found me and sat two to my right on an already fishy 6max table. Bottom line, I managed to win back all of yesterday's losses (but not before he rivered a flush vs my 2 pair).

 

[mdc]

I found my villain again today, or rather, he found me and sat two to my right on an already fishy 6max table. Bottom line, I managed to win back all of yesterday's losses (but not before he rivered a flush vs my 2 pair).

which site is this pax?

 

[Souup]

PokerStars Game #28773067078: Tournament #167707348, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/05/29 21:55:25 ET
Table '167707348 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: giveitatri (5159 in chips)
Seat 4: robtinnion (8718 in chips)
Seat 6: Kartmancas (1139 in chips)
Seat 7: Guillaumel21 (3310 in chips)
Seat 8: Banker987 (5987 in chips)
Seat 9: jaapaap83 (16187 in chips)
giveitatri: posts the ante 25
robtinnion: posts the ante 25
Kartmancas: posts the ante 25
Guillaumel21: posts the ante 25
Banker987: posts the ante 25
jaapaap83: posts the ante 25
giveitatri: posts small blind 200
robtinnion: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Banker987 [As Kc]
Kartmancas: folds
Guillaumel21: folds
Banker987: raises 400 to 800
jaapaap83: folds
giveitatri: folds
robtinnion: raises 400 to 1200
Banker987: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [Js Ad 4c]
robtinnion: bets 1600
Banker987: calls 1600
*** TURN *** [Js Ad 4c] [7d]
robtinnion: checks
Banker987: bets 3162 and is all-in
robtinnion: calls 3162
*** RIVER *** [Js Ad 4c 7d] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
robtinnion: shows [Jh 2h] (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
Banker987: shows [As Kc] (a pair of Aces)
robtinnion collected 12274 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12274 | Rake 0
Board [Js Ad 4c 7d 2s]
Seat 2: giveitatri (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: robtinnion (big blind) showed [Jh 2h] and won (12274) with two pair, Jacks and Deuces
Seat 6: Kartmancas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Guillaumel21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Banker987 showed [As Kc] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: jaapaap83 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Get ****ed.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Did I put a 5/8 post up here? I stuffed it up.

Playing a 1/2c table for fun last night. One of the first deals.

I got 5/8 off, first to act and folded.

Min bet, couple of callers.
Flop came 5/8/5.

Checked round.
Turn came 8.

Bet, Fold, Call.
River came 5.

Check, Check.
Winner had 8s from 5s (so why check). No one believed I had 5/8.

 

[YOTC]

Did I put a 5/8 post up here? I stuffed it up.

Playing a 1/2c table for fun last night. One of the first deals.

I got 5/8 off, first to act and folded.

Min bet, couple of callers.
Flop came 5/8/5.

Checked round.
Turn came 8.

Bet, Fold, Call.
River came 5.

Check, Check.
Winner had 8s from 5s (so why check). No one believed I had 5/8.

Of course they didn't. There is only four 5s in a deck.

 

[mdc]

Yep. A hand history wouldn't go astray once in a while, rather than just "summaries".

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Of course they didn't. There is only four 5s in a deck.

And our friend here had quads

facepalm.