The Wiggler

[JS74]

Since when has being a nice bloke guaranteed you a spot on the list?
I'm referring to the chief Simon Wiggins. Sure having people like that around a footy club is invaluable but there comes a time when your time is up, it is time for Wiggins to be delisted. It is footy ability that wins you games of footy and unfortunately Wiggins is a battler at best. Tries hard gives it his all, but having been in the system for 9 years now with little improvement I find it hard to believe, that he will remain on the list in 2010.

 

[dark blue days]

Remember round 1 and 2 when he was a great lead up forward for us? IMO he is our Stevens from the Crows maybe not good enough for the best 22 yet he can do the job when needed.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Sure having people like that around a footy club is invaluable but there comes a time when your time is up, it is time for Wiggins to be delisted.

Well, he's survived the first cut. Given the thinness of the draft, and Cloke's possible departure I'd say he's safe for this year. I think the club has got it about perfect. The only argument I'd have is that I would have tried harder to keep Bannister who I think still offers something.

Wiggins goes alright in his admittedly only role - the hard-working, lead & mark half-forward. He's worth keeping for another year. In fact I'd delist Fisher and Cloke before Wiggins.

Would you replace him with a pick 59, or 75 in this draft? Remember you're stuck with them for 2 years if you do. I wouldn't.

 

[Juddrockz]

Well, he's survived the first cut. Given the thinness of the draft, and Cloke's possible departure I'd say he's safe for this year. I think the club has got it about perfect. The only argument I'd have is that I would have tried harder to keep Bannister who I think still offers something.

Wiggins goes alright in his admittedly only role - the hard-working, lead & mark half-forward. He's worth keeping for another year. In fact I'd delist Fisher and Cloke before Wiggins.

Would you replace him with a pick 59, or 75 in this draft? Remember you're stuck with them for 2 years if you do. I wouldn't.

This guy could've made a great footballer.He really needs to find some form next year if he's staying onboard and also work hard on improving his kicking.

 

[HereComesTheTruth]

Wiggins goes alright in his admittedly only role - the hard-working, lead & mark half-forward.

Wouldn't be surprised if he shows you that he has a little more to offer. With fev gone it'll mean wiggler and all the other forwards will actually be able to put more than their big toe in the forward 50 without being abused at halftime or after the game.

 

[Seventeen]

I'd delist Fisher and Cloke before Wiggins.

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In a heartbeat.

 

[Blues_Man]

Since when has being a nice bloke guaranteed you a spot on the list?
I'm referring to the chief Simon Wiggins. Sure having people like that around a footy club is invaluable but there comes a time when your time is up, it is time for Wiggins to be delisted. It is footy ability that wins you games of footy and unfortunately Wiggins is a battler at best. Tries hard gives it his all, but having been in the system for 9 years now with little improvement I find it hard to believe, that he will remain on the list in 2010.

Poor start newbie...lets hope you improve

 

[Sin City]

It is footy ability that wins you games of footy and unfortunately Wiggins is a battler at best.

And yet in our comeback win against the Bulldogs in which he kicked 4 goals Kernahan thanked him for having "Balls and heart!"

Make no mistake the virtues Wiggins displays week in, week out are just as important as skill. He's always one of the hardest players on the list and now one of the best marking targets we have.

Funny how this sort of crap surfaces during eack off season but everyone welcomes his hardness back in the team during the season. Who cares what people think, Wiggo's been proving them wrong for years now and will continue to do so next season.

 

[BLUE BLEEDING]

I agree. He needs to be cut. But his culling will be halted for another year at least. Players like Wiggins, Cloke, and Fisher are from another Carlton era and will not be of any value moving towards a premiership. I don't believe any of these players should be given game time next year unless we are down to our last resort or to give them one last dying chance when we can afford to (Like we did with Saddington, Bannister and Hartlett).

I believe Houlihan and O'hAilpin are a year or two away from being delisted. And Johnson is a certainty.

But we can't get rid of them all this year; it needs to be peppered out. We have already made some great delistings this year and they will continue to come annually until the trash from 2002-2007 is finally out.

These players might be needed in the short term for depth, but with a few more draftings and trade-ins as expected with our million dollar plus 'warchest' they will be gone. Have patience.

 

[starchamber]

Since when has being a nice bloke guaranteed you a spot on the list?
I'm referring to the chief Simon Wiggins. Sure having people like that around a footy club is invaluable but there comes a time when your time is up, it is time for Wiggins to be delisted. It is footy ability that wins you games of footy and unfortunately Wiggins is a battler at best. Tries hard gives it his all, but having been in the system for 9 years now with little improvement I find it hard to believe, that he will remain on the list in 2010.

I think his good enough to be on the list but with Fevola gone now we are 3 years behind so delisting him or Cloke for another 1 or 2 picks might be o.k.

We also need 3-5 players to be delisted the year after so we can't delist too much depending on performance and age that could be Johnson,Anderson,Fisher,Scotland,Hadley or Warnock or any 3rd year player that hasn't come up

 

[Blue Dimension]

Poor start newbie...lets hope you improve

Yep, so having an opinion in regard to a particular player who's been on the fringe of selection for years is wrong?

Realize that others have contrasting opinions to yours. Maybe instead of taking pot shots at others you could actually contribute to the discussion of the thread for once.

Simon Wiggins would have been very close to the cut this year. Cloke leaving might extend his stay.

 

[Bluebear]

This guy could've made a great footballer.He really needs to find some form next year if he's staying onboard and also work hard on improving his kicking.

I'm a Wiggo fan but TBH his kicking is one of his major downfalls.......and if he hasn't sorted it out by now he probably isn't going to.

Great lead up mark, great physicality around the packs, but unfortunately, when you play as a forward you need to kick goals, especially the "easy ones".

Someone mentioned his effort of the first few rounds. IIRC going into the Saints game (?round 12) he was up there in the top couple of players in the comp for marking on the lead.

I also recall him taking a great specky vs the Tiges......but missed the goal.

Will survive this year, but unlikely to remain on the list beyond 2010 barring some major changes.

 

[Tom Kreuze]

Even though I love his agression, hardness and passion for the club I can't see Wiggins surviving beyond 2010. While he has been a great servant his inability to hit an opponent on the chest or kick a goal is a fatal flaw in his game. He is also getting to the age where his best football is behind him, and while he has had a few standout games for the most part he has been pretty average. He is one of the last true list-cloggers that we have.

As it has been speculated in other threads I think there's a chance that he may even miss out this year. If for some reason there is a player that slips through in the ND/PSD that we werent expecting (MacDonald, Bradshaw etc) he would have to be at the top of the list to make way for them. The club may even decide to deslist him before our final list lodgement on November 15, and use the place to take a chance on someone further down in the draft.

 

[Blues_Man]

Yep, so having an opinion in regard to a particular player who's been on the fringe of selection for years is wrong?

Realize that others have contrasting opinions to yours. Maybe instead of taking pot shots at others you could actually contribute to the discussion of the thread for once.

Simon Wiggins would have been very close to the cut this year. Cloke leaving might extend his stay.

My contribution to this thread is to point out that most newbies who start threads bagging Carlton players are trolls ...call me cynical but thats just me .

oh and being a spec moderator wins you no points ...so stop being a try hard and contribute something of substance .

 

[krayfesh]

Even though I love his agression, hardness and passion for the club I can't see Wiggins surviving beyond 2010. While he has been a great servant his inability to hit an opponent on the chest or kick a goal is a fatal flaw in his game. He is also getting to the age where his best football is behind him, and while he has had a few standout games for the most part he has been pretty average. He is one of the last true list-cloggers that we have.

As it has been speculated in other threads I think there's a chance that he may even miss out this year. If for some reason there is a player that slips through in the ND/PSD that we werent expecting (MacDonald, Bradshaw etc) he would have to be at the top of the list to make way for them. The club may even decide to deslist him before our final list lodgement on November 15, and use the place to take a chance on someone further down in the draft.

I don't know about you, but I like that he can't hit opponents on the chest.

Maybe if we surgically attached Houlihan to him so he could do the kicking...

 

[Blue Dimension]

My contribution to this thread is to point out that most newbies who start threads bagging Carlton players are trolls ...call me cynical but thats just me .

Or maybe, just maybe instead of prejudging individuals you could choose to discuss topics all things Carlton with them in a mature and respectful manner.

oh and being a spec moderator wins you no points ...so stop being a try hard and contribute something of substance .

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

There's just no point with you.

 

[Mokum]

My contribution to this thread is to point out that most newbies who start threads bagging Carlton players are trolls ...call me cynical but thats just me .

oh and being a spec moderator wins you no points ...so stop being a try hard and contribute something of substance .

Did you just troll yourself?
Thats the most hypocriticalilising thing ive ever seen, LOL
(sorry, been watching too much Harold and Kumar)

 

[Blu_Outlaw]

I agree with most ppl about wiggo, tries all the time but just isnt up to it. Keep him this year but gawn next I think.

As for fisher for me I would just get rid of him, except for being a good mark of the ball for his size he is hopeless, cant run, tackle or kick.
I know that he has a yr on his contract still but I cant handle watching him play for Carlton anymore, plz just pay him out.

 

[OldBlueFan]

I'm a Wiggo fan but TBH his kicking is one of his major downfalls.......and if he hasn't sorted it out by now he probably isn't going to.

Great lead up mark, great physicality around the packs, but unfortunately, when you play as a forward you need to kick goals, especially the "easy ones".

Someone mentioned his effort of the first few rounds. IIRC going into the Saints game (?round 12) he was up there in the top couple of players in the comp for marking on the lead.

I also recall him taking a great specky vs the Tiges......but missed the goal.

Will survive this year, but unlikely to remain on the list beyond 2010 barring some major changes.

IMHO kicking is his ONLY downfall and it seems that you do too ... considering what you go on to say

You'd think with guys like Wiggins, they would just have him practicing his kicking every spare moment he has.

If he could kick reliably, I'd have him on the bench every week, he offers a level of determination and aggression at the ball that few others at our club can match.

I hope the improvement isn't beyond him!

 

[Azul]

I think Chief will survive - Today's Herald Sun rumours that we might demote 'cloggers' (such as Fisher and Anderson) on the rookie list, thus providing a lifeline to sign Cloke and Wiggins for one more year.

I think this would allow the club to save some face with Fish, allowing him 2 extra games to reach 100 while saving a contract payout.

Effectively this means we'd only have 2 rookie selections (not much talent at pick 42 anyway). If no one 'good' was left at a late pick in the ND, we'd not run the risk of missing a kid as our first rookie pick.

 

[BlueFeaver]

Wiggins is vital for our young team. His work ethic and team ethos is worth more than most acknowledge.

Sure enough his kicking lets him down.............especially in front of goal, but he will provide leadership in defensive pressure and commitment to the contest.

Fisher should be rookied due to his lack of pressence on the defensive side and also very poor kicking. Cloke in my opinion will probably leave, he doesn't have the smarts to play CHF or mental fortitude to play FF and with Warnock, Jacobs (should be elevated, if he hasn't already), Hampson and Kruezer there is no opportunity for Cloke to play in the ruck.

On a seperate note...............could Hampson play FF?......a 200cm lead up forward with incredible pace! kicking in improving as is his marking ability.

 

[JS74]

Blues_Man you are a tool.
This is my opinion not everyone is going to agree with it, you obviously don't. So according to you we should only praise the players on our list even if they are ordinary players. I gather you think Fisher is a superstar and Bentley should have remained on the list.

Wiggins has been in the system for nine years, not 2 or 3 years.
I like the bloke but if we are fair dinkum we need to be developing our list and not have guys like Wiggins, Fisher, Cloke etc getting games ahead of the kids. Sure Wiggins is a great role model, good leader but this does to justify his position on the list.

 

[da_champ]

I don't know about you, but I like that he can't hit opponents on the chest.

Maybe if we surgically attached Houlihan to him so he could do the kicking...

That is GOLD! I love it!

 

[djw1952]

Yep, so having an opinion in regard to a particular player who's been on the fringe of selection for years is wrong?

Realize that others have contrasting opinions to yours. Maybe instead of taking pot shots at others you could actually contribute to the discussion of the thread for once.

Simon Wiggins would have been very close to the cut this year. Cloke leaving might extend his stay.

i agree with your comments about wiggo.