This trading period

[knightwheelrqr]

This trading period some of us were wondering why we retained Ryan Cook and Anthony Corrie when they might have had a better chance at resurecting their careers elsewhere as Danny Stanley will with the Gold Coast.

Assuming the salery cap was no problem, which at the end of the day I expect was why we had to retain them both. As they are still under contract and with the addition of Ball and Jolly would be hard for there to be much more room under the cap.

So assuming the salery cap was no problem (which probably wasn't the case, but I'd like to play out this hyperthetical anyway), even with the clubs reasoning of the draft being weak, would you have rathered one of these recycled players who in the end were undrafted (including KPF Serhat Temel who was highly fancied to have got drafted)

So would you rather?

Any 2 of:
Luke Ablett/ Robert Shirley/ Sam Power/ Kane Tenace/ Dan McKenna/ Jamie McNamara/ Matt Riggio/ Dan McKenna/ Serhat Temel

or retain:
Ryan Cook and Anthony Corrie

Which would you prefer?

I'd probably have been pretty happy with Jamie McNamara and Dan McKenna myself if we decided we weren't so keen on Temel.

McNamara was a good player for West Coast in 2008, but then in 2009 had limited chances with other young players comming up and developing, personally rate him as a far better fringe option than say Corrie.

Then McKenna gives us a recycled type player who simply couldn't break into the side because it's Geelong, according to the St Kilda recycling logic which I tend to agree with on the whole McKenna should be just another year or 2 off where he will be fully developed. Being a mobile key position prospect he can play either end which would make him a suitable alternative to say Leigh Brown if we were to get rid of him over the comming years.

Both of these players I still like as they both have plenty of development left in them, and they both have a greater possibility even if they are only offered a 1 or 2 year contract to break into the side at some point as well as being younger and having more development ahead of them.

If there was a midseason draft, would you also look into this?

 

[pie time]

i aint to sure why we did'nt give myles sewell ago?
thought he would be a better fringe player then cook and corrie

 

[danielnajdek]

Would prefer anyone other then Cook and Corrie and I mean anyone.

 

[pie time]

Would prefer anyone other then Cook and Corrie and I mean anyone.

where do i sign up

 

[mattys123]

Too hard of a decision for me.

All 4 named have shown next to nothing at AFL level.

If you had of placed "2 rookies/draftees" in the poll, that would have been my choice.

 

[danielnajdek]

where do i sign up

You couldn't be any worse. They are horrible I'm embarrassed to even call them collingwood players.

 

[TradeDraft]

Get Rid of Cook and Corrie and might as well Try 2 other players.

Would defiantly 1 would be Temel

 

[pie time]

just wondering why we didnt take panos when we had the opportunity?
sewell and panos sounds good to me.

 

[pie time]

im not a bad player lol.
well i dont think im as bad as corrie .
i have won a few b&f's for my league and i play in seniors and im only 16 .
and when i got invited to the gippsland power training they gave me a booklet of what i have to eat and do.
i could'nt do that stuff if i tried

 

[sr36]

If Cook improves his kicking, he'll be AFL standard. He's got the athletic attributes and runs hard enough to get the footy.

If Corrie attacks the ball harder and improves his kicking he'll be AFL standard, as he is good athletically and knows where to go to get the footy.

People are putting lines through these guys too quickly.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Too hard of a decision for me.

All 4 named have shown next to nothing at AFL level.

If you had of placed "2 rookies/draftees" in the poll, that would have been my choice.

Something like Temel + Sewell would probably be a popular choice. That would have been one of the possibilities had we gone through the draft as opposed to recycled players.

Not sure if I can edit poll? But if so would also include that option.

 

[pie time]

Something like Temel + Sewell would probably be a popular choice. That would have been one of the possibilities had we gone through the draft as opposed to recycled players.

Not sure if I can edit poll? But if so would also include that option.

what about panos we had a chance to take him?

 

[knightwheelrqr]

just wondering why we didnt take panos when we had the opportunity?
sewell and panos sounds good to me.

Panos was consider as being too 1 dimensional. But for me that just means that he is a pure full forward which I would be more than happy with.

Really he is just a young Matthew Lloyd replica. Personally was in favour of taking him with a late pick had I been drafting.

The Western Bull Dogs will do well with both him and Hooper who is another rookie gem.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

If Cook improves his kicking, he'll be AFL standard. He's got the athletic attributes and runs hard enough to get the footy.

If Corrie attacks the ball harder and improves his kicking he'll be AFL standard, as he is good athletically and knows where to go to get the footy.

People are putting lines through these guys too quickly.

That is the other side of the story. But with the additions of Ball and Jolly this 22 will not be easy to break into. Corrie is only just insurance up forward or on a flank, Cook I just can't see fitting into this side at all.

 

[daics_35]

Corrie cant even play VFL he gets the ball runs 20 meters and just boots it out on the full. I feel sorry for some talented players who havnt been given a go instead of Corrie its a bloody discrase.

 

[mattys123]

Corrie cant even play VFL he gets the ball runs 20 meters and just boots it out on the full. I feel sorry for some talented players who havnt been given a go instead of Corrie its a bloody discrase.

He actually can play VFL, in fact he was our best player in the finals series in the VFL last year, especially in the last 2 finals.

While Reid was getting all the accolades, Corrie actually found some form, it's the only reason he was retained, and I believe I read a comment from a Collingwood official saying as much.

He has been terrible at AFL level though, so I can't defend him much, but he was very good in the VFL finals.

 

[Old Spice]

This gives an extra element to pre-season - we are in deep, deep pre-season.

 

[Gone Critical]

I may be wrong but I thought Corrie was already contracted so no real option from cap point of view than keep him

 

[soreplums]

they'll both join stanley at GC at the end of the year

 

[Optimax]

Shit shit thread

McKenna and McNamara are rubbish footballers, worse then Corrie and cook.

Temel is a slow, lumbering, lazy and dumb footballer
panos was never rated by us, why? Because he is an undersized lead mark kick player with no other attribute
Myles sewell wasn't drafted after a stellar vfl season, stanley had a stellar vfl season 16 afl clubs overlooked them vfl is their level.

All the players mentioned in this thread are spuds and if we need spuds keep the ones you know and have to pay in 2010 anyway.

Now onto the posting "quality" in this thread, corrie and cook have both played afl for collingwood at a higher quality then many of the posts made in thread (see what I did there?)

pre season at it's shitful best

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Shit shit thread

McKenna and McNamara are rubbish footballers, worse then Corrie and cook.

Temel is a slow, lumbering, lazy and dumb footballer
panos was never rated by us, why? Because he is an undersized lead mark kick player with no other attribute
Myles sewell wasn't drafted after a stellar vfl season, stanley had a stellar vfl season 16 afl clubs overlooked them vfl is their level.

All the players mentioned in this thread are spuds and if we need spuds keep the ones you know and have to pay in 2010 anyway.

Now onto the posting "quality" in this thread, corrie and cook have both played afl for collingwood at a higher quality then many of the posts made in thread (see what I did there?)

pre season at it's shitful best

Feeling optimistic about our current list then?

I certainly like our current list, but just asking what if we did this?

Temel is the strongest mark in this draft class, showed that he can peform under finals pressure and most importantly is not a bad kick on goal. He has a pretty solid footy IQ and a big body, with the departure of Rocca and many questioning the development of Dawes, is not necessarily a bad option.

Panos was the U18 AA FF. He tested well at draft camp and has good size for a young recruit at 192cm and 88kg which is better than most. He is a fantastic set shot at goal, and while I didn't mention him in this thread certainly in my view would have been a very good option.

Stanley was great at VFL level and in my view Collingwood's best in the finals. Just the problem with him as is the case with Cook is that he just doesn't fit the team structures and style and therefore it would be the best thing for his career to see if he can make it at another club.

Corrie isn't necessarily a bad fit, and is ok insurance, just wouldn't look to play him. Being a middle age player he should be in his prime, but he just hasn't showed enough some might argue.

So I certainly think this thread is valid?

 

[Optimax]

If temel and panos are as good as you say they would not have Bern undrafted and last round rookie selection.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

If temel and panos are as good as you say they would not have Bern undrafted and last round rookie selection.

Panos slipped through due to his "one dimensional game". Also has an under rated tackling game amongst recruiters. A few clubs were in the market for a full forward so Panos certainly should not have got through. In my view 1st or 2nd round quality. Havn't noticed any "personality problems" with Panos, but that is the only logical explaination for why he could have slipped through to the rookie draft other than the perceived "one dimensional" aspect.

With Temel his weaknesses are lack of speed, fitness and some suggest lack of mental strength and dedication. Certainly can't see how he would have slipped through otherwise. Top 60 quality pick otherwise in this draft in my view.

For a draft that was weak on KPF's, was very surprising to see them both slip through.

Every year there are players who slip through that shouldn't, so can't always get it right.

 

[Optimax]

Fact is one was a late rookie one was undrafted

I know you really really like the draft knight but many afl recruiters, all of whom bar Hughes have decent judgment all said this draft was poor or implied it in different ways.

Another fact we picked up 2 18yos in 4 nd picks, our next pick was 100 odd
fact even if we cut Corrie and cook we would need to have paid them and their replacments in 2010

it just wasn't worth it, I also want to reiterate our recruiters had no interest in any tall rated around our pick especially panos and temel

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Fact is one was a late rookie one was undrafted

I know you really really like the draft knight but many afl recruiters, all of whom bar Hughes have decent judgment all said this draft was poor or implied it in different ways.

Another fact we picked up 2 18yos in 4 nd picks, our next pick was 100 odd
fact even if we cut Corrie and cook we would need to have paid them and their replacments in 2010

it just wasn't worth it, I also want to reiterate our recruiters had no interest in any tall rated around our pick especially panos and temel

That is certainly the arguement against as both players are still under contract.

It's just a judgement call and it is a fair enough one too.

Had Collingwood gone down that track, we probably would have gone for a recycled player as Hine didn't rate the draft, and in addition to that we are looking to load up our team for the now which was make clear with the acquisitions of Ball and Jolly. Which is why I make mention of various delisted players throughout.

In terms of list structure I probably would have been pretty happy with McNamara and McKenna as they are in the right age bracket to continue their progress.

It just comes down to whether or not any of the delisted players from other clubs would have a chance of breaking into our lineup. Which I suggest Collingwood list management thought no.

McNamara and McKenna are probably the 2 I like, in that I see McKenna as a Leigh Brown type who can fill in at either end in the case of injury and McNamara likewise being of a similiar depth capacity. Could see both players being retained which is why I would be interested in this as opposed to Cook and Corrie who I expect will both be delisted at seasons end.

Just the primary difference is that I could see both these players being able to break into the lineup at some point in 2010, while I don't think Cook or Corrie will which is why I bring up this discussion.