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Re: Neagle injured
Damn!!
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Re: Neagle injured
went down for a quick look this arvo.
Neagle - didnt seem that bad, probably a rolled ankle. His ankle was definitely taped as you would if rolled, and didnt seem too worried when approached by Gumby at 3/4 time.
McPhee - did some nice things playing up forward without being overly dominant. Only played a half.
Lee - played most of the game up forward and was ok.
Bellchambers, impressed considering how far away he seemed at league level. Didnt dominate the ruck but was competitive and had his moments. Definitely has talent to work with and is a nice size.
A fair few of the baby bombers were there - Gumby, Longergan, Houli, Myers, Winda, Welsh etc. Houli looks ripped and a real nice size for midfield. Gumby is bordering on ruckman-type height, still has at least 2 years of filling out to do, and when he does, look out if he keeps most of his agility.
Overall, Bendigo shoulda won, too many costly turnovers with some pretty ordinary skills. endevour was good enough but hard to guage with so many changes to be made by both players.
Oh, and Neagle simply isnt tall enough to be carrying around nearly 100kg. Probably needs to lose at least 5kgs and do a Watson-type change to his body and fitness levels. The talent is there.
went down for a quick look this arvo.
Neagle - didnt seem that bad, probably a rolled ankle. His ankle was definitely taped as you would if rolled, and didnt seem too worried when approached by Gumby at 3/4 time.
McPhee - did some nice things playing up forward without being overly dominant. Only played a half.
Lee - played most of the game up forward and was ok.
Bellchambers, impressed considering how far away he seemed at league level. Didnt dominate the ruck but was competitive and had his moments. Definitely has talent to work with and is a nice size.
A fair few of the baby bombers were there - Gumby, Longergan, Houli, Myers, Winda, Welsh etc. Houli looks ripped and a real nice size for midfield. Gumby is bordering on ruckman-type height, still has at least 2 years of filling out to do, and when he does, look out if he keeps most of his agility.
Overall, Bendigo shoulda won, too many costly turnovers with some pretty ordinary skills. endevour was good enough but hard to guage with so many changes to be made by both players.
Oh, and Neagle simply isnt tall enough to be carrying around nearly 100kg. Probably needs to lose at least 5kgs and do a Watson-type change to his body and fitness levels. The talent is there.
Any reports on the game? How did Bendigo look? How did McPhee and co go?
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Bendigo lost 13.12 to 13.7. Mcphee played a half and Neagle injured (not sure of extent)
Re: Neagle injured
Pretty close to the most ridiculous comment i have ever read on Bigfooty. A sensational half against St.Kilda for an unfit and fat bloke, can't wait to see him when he hits his straps.
Pretty close to the most ridiculous comment i have ever read on Bigfooty. A sensational half against St.Kilda for an unfit and fat bloke, can't wait to see him when he hits his straps.
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Re: Neagle injured
Injured again yesterday.
Played on Raph Clarke so it was easy pickings.
This is his third year and correct my if i'm wrong but he's failed to string 5 games together.
I'm sick and tired of players shortchanging the fans by not being in the best possible shape. Its ok to suspend players for drinking and missing training but guys that are constantly unfit and show up overweight... well, we just make excuses for them.
I want to see him do what the boxers do and go nuts for 6 weeks prior to a fight and get in unbelievable shape.
Injured again yesterday.
Played on Raph Clarke so it was easy pickings.
This is his third year and correct my if i'm wrong but he's failed to string 5 games together.
I'm sick and tired of players shortchanging the fans by not being in the best possible shape. Its ok to suspend players for drinking and missing training but guys that are constantly unfit and show up overweight... well, we just make excuses for them.
I want to see him do what the boxers do and go nuts for 6 weeks prior to a fight and get in unbelievable shape.
True, but I think that it comes to a time when they must realise themselves that they are not giving themselves their best chance of 'making it'. As has been reported happening with Jobe. No one else can make it happen.
McPhee fit, Welsh faces fitness test
Sunday, 16 March 2008
Adam McPhee is a certain starter for Essendon in Round 1 after getting through yesterday’s VFL practice match against Werribee. The match committee felt McPhee would benefit from a hit-out with Bendigo after missing some of the pre-season with a hamstring strain. McPhee moved well, putting to rest any fairs he would miss the match against the Kangaroos.
Andrew Welsh however may miss the start of the season with hamstring tightness. Welsh is expected to train later this week and face a fitness test but Matthew Knights has been very clear on the fact he will not risk players – particularly early in the season – that are not 100 per cent fit.
McPhee played up forward for Bendigo, kicking the first goal of the game. He sat out the second half and watched a very young Bendigo line-up go down by five points to a Werribee side that contained a number of listed Kangaroo players.
Other senior-listed Essendon players that took part in the game were Tom Bellchambers, Jay Neagle and Andrew Lee. Lee and Bellchambers came through the game unscathed but Neagle was forced from the ground after a knock to the ankle. It will be assessed this week but early indications are that it is not serious.
Sunday, 16 March 2008
Adam McPhee is a certain starter for Essendon in Round 1 after getting through yesterday’s VFL practice match against Werribee. The match committee felt McPhee would benefit from a hit-out with Bendigo after missing some of the pre-season with a hamstring strain. McPhee moved well, putting to rest any fairs he would miss the match against the Kangaroos.
Andrew Welsh however may miss the start of the season with hamstring tightness. Welsh is expected to train later this week and face a fitness test but Matthew Knights has been very clear on the fact he will not risk players – particularly early in the season – that are not 100 per cent fit.
McPhee played up forward for Bendigo, kicking the first goal of the game. He sat out the second half and watched a very young Bendigo line-up go down by five points to a Werribee side that contained a number of listed Kangaroo players.
Other senior-listed Essendon players that took part in the game were Tom Bellchambers, Jay Neagle and Andrew Lee. Lee and Bellchambers came through the game unscathed but Neagle was forced from the ground after a knock to the ankle. It will be assessed this week but early indications are that it is not serious.
Re: Neagle injured
I can't believe how stupid you really are. As a fan I don't feel shortchanged by Neagle at all, he was drafted as a 17 year old and is showing great promise. Constantly Unfit and overweight? If he is turning up to every session then shouldn't we be placing the blame on our fitness staff and dieticians? And fancy comparing boxers training to footballers training. Utterly ridiculous. He has just turned 20 and you are writing him off, you fool.
Injured again yesterday.
Played on Raph Clarke so it was easy pickings.
This is his third year and correct my if i'm wrong but he's failed to string 5 games together.
I'm sick and tired of players shortchanging the fans by not being in the best possible shape. Its ok to suspend players for drinking and missing training but guys that are constantly unfit and show up overweight... well, we just make excuses for them.
I want to see him do what the boxers do and go nuts for 6 weeks prior to a fight and get in unbelievable shape.
I can't believe how stupid you really are. As a fan I don't feel shortchanged by Neagle at all, he was drafted as a 17 year old and is showing great promise. Constantly Unfit and overweight? If he is turning up to every session then shouldn't we be placing the blame on our fitness staff and dieticians? And fancy comparing boxers training to footballers training. Utterly ridiculous. He has just turned 20 and you are writing him off, you fool.
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Maybe you should learn how to read a post properly champ then you might understand what someone is actually trying to say.
The facts are he is unfit and constantly injured. The warning signs are flashing for me and both he and the club need to address the situation.
How utterly ridiculous to compare boxing training to footballers when our very own Jobe Watson turned his career around from it.
Please only reply if you have something intelligent to say other than having a crack with no substance.
Maybe you should learn how to read a post properly champ then you might understand what someone is actually trying to say.
The facts are he is unfit and constantly injured. The warning signs are flashing for me and both he and the club need to address the situation.
How utterly ridiculous to compare boxing training to footballers when our very own Jobe Watson turned his career around from it.
Please only reply if you have something intelligent to say other than having a crack with no substance.
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I think Neagle will be a player of the future, he along with Daniher (If played forward) and Gumbleton will be our next group of Forwards, and that's very exciting.
We saw what Neagle could do, he kicked 4 goals against St.Kilda and almost won us the game. Even though it was on R. Clarke, If he can do that when he's overweight then i'd love to see what he could do once he gains that explosive speed off the mark and on a lead.
He's got the brain, he can read the play, he's got the skill. But he needs to prove to himself and the supporters that he's commited enough to drop a bit of weight and to start showing us all why we're so excited for this kid.
It'd also help if he wern't so injury prone, that way he could have a full Pre-Season under his belt on which to build consistency.
We saw what Neagle could do, he kicked 4 goals against St.Kilda and almost won us the game. Even though it was on R. Clarke, If he can do that when he's overweight then i'd love to see what he could do once he gains that explosive speed off the mark and on a lead.
He's got the brain, he can read the play, he's got the skill. But he needs to prove to himself and the supporters that he's commited enough to drop a bit of weight and to start showing us all why we're so excited for this kid.
It'd also help if he wern't so injury prone, that way he could have a full Pre-Season under his belt on which to build consistency.
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You said you wanted to see Jay go nuts for 6 weeks like boxers do, it made no sense as footballers have to build up for 22+ weeks, boxers build up for 1 fight.
Jobe and Jay are completely different footballers and would have completely different training programs. Which of his injuries have been down to lack of fitness? He is 20, and just 20.Write him off at your peril.
You rubbish his good performance in the nab cup because he had "easy pickings" on Raph Clarke. Not many kids with 1 AFL game under there belt have any opponents that are "easy pickings"
I bet you wrote off Hird in 93 as well, a kid who was unfit and constantly injured.
Maybe you should learn how to read a post properly champ then you might understand what someone is actually trying to say.
The facts are he is unfit and constantly injured. The warning signs are flashing for me and both he and the club need to address the situation.
How utterly ridiculous to compare boxing training to footballers when our very own Jobe Watson turned his career around from it.
Please only reply if you have something intelligent to say other than having a crack with no substance.
You said you wanted to see Jay go nuts for 6 weeks like boxers do, it made no sense as footballers have to build up for 22+ weeks, boxers build up for 1 fight.
Jobe and Jay are completely different footballers and would have completely different training programs. Which of his injuries have been down to lack of fitness? He is 20, and just 20.Write him off at your peril.
You rubbish his good performance in the nab cup because he had "easy pickings" on Raph Clarke. Not many kids with 1 AFL game under there belt have any opponents that are "easy pickings"
I bet you wrote off Hird in 93 as well, a kid who was unfit and constantly injured.
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Yep, I'd like to see him do something different because currently he's nowhere near a footballer that can go for 22 weeks. His body shape in the game against the Saints was embarrassing and I think it was Buckley who was having a laugh and said the boy is stuffed and needs a spell.
I reckon most of his injuries can be attributed to carrying extra weight. It's quite funny how the likes of Whitnall and Rioli were always injured.
Right now he's in the group with Cupido, Rioli, Whitnall and a few others who've had issues with fitness, weight and dedication.
Time will tell but if he can't string 6 VFL games together this year then I'd be seriously looking at what we do with him.
Yep, I'd like to see him do something different because currently he's nowhere near a footballer that can go for 22 weeks. His body shape in the game against the Saints was embarrassing and I think it was Buckley who was having a laugh and said the boy is stuffed and needs a spell.
I reckon most of his injuries can be attributed to carrying extra weight. It's quite funny how the likes of Whitnall and Rioli were always injured.
Right now he's in the group with Cupido, Rioli, Whitnall and a few others who've had issues with fitness, weight and dedication.
Time will tell but if he can't string 6 VFL games together this year then I'd be seriously looking at what we do with him.
Were you watching him on TV aganst the saints?
I was right in the forward pocket. He is a big lad yes, but nowhere near the Rioli, Whitnall catagory in the weight stakes.
I was right in the forward pocket. He is a big lad yes, but nowhere near the Rioli, Whitnall catagory in the weight stakes.
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Was in an identical position at the ground and he is being unfairly maligned if compared to the likes of Whitnall. Was taken aback by the size of the boy in terms of strength. Extremely excited with him and Gumbleton in the wings waiting to tear it up.
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Name the injuries caused by weight then doctor kelvin? He is contracted until the end of next year that is the faith our coaching staff have in him. I love your continued stupid comments, comparing him with rioli cupido and whitnall. This is a 20 year old kid. If you can't see any hope in this kid then you obviously know nothing about the game
Name the injuries caused by weight then doctor kelvin? He is contracted until the end of next year that is the faith our coaching staff have in him. I love your continued stupid comments, comparing him with rioli cupido and whitnall. This is a 20 year old kid. If you can't see any hope in this kid then you obviously know nothing about the game
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Re: Neagle injured
Not many 20 year old key postion players can play 22 weeks. Save for the elite few. And good on Bucks for laughing at him, wonder if he did the same thing to Anthony Rocca?
I reckon his injuries, ankle injuries, might have something to do with him not being in great shape. Hard to get miles in your legs if you can't run.
Cupido, Rioli and Lance were all good players, so Jay should be included with them. Jay has time on his side the others don't.
Not many 20 year old key postion players can play 22 weeks. Save for the elite few. And good on Bucks for laughing at him, wonder if he did the same thing to Anthony Rocca?
I reckon his injuries, ankle injuries, might have something to do with him not being in great shape. Hard to get miles in your legs if you can't run.
Cupido, Rioli and Lance were all good players, so Jay should be included with them. Jay has time on his side the others don't.
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Ankle.
Well if he goes on the same path of being overweight and injured then he'll be another Rioli, Whitnall or Cupido.
I never said there's no hope for him. Once again you are struggling to read my posts.
All I've stated is that this kid and the club need a kick up the arse to get himself right.
After 3 mediocre years I ain't tolerating overweight and unfit players.
By your reasoning maybe we should have kept Richie Cole.
Ankle.
Well if he goes on the same path of being overweight and injured then he'll be another Rioli, Whitnall or Cupido.
I never said there's no hope for him. Once again you are struggling to read my posts.
All I've stated is that this kid and the club need a kick up the arse to get himself right.
After 3 mediocre years I ain't tolerating overweight and unfit players.
By your reasoning maybe we should have kept Richie Cole.
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Re: Neagle injured
Just a few facts for you.
The two stress fracture in the foot are not a weight issue.
The ankle injury yesterday was not a weight issue and from all reports is not that serious. Anyone in any weight range can roll an ankle
He has actually dropped over 8kg since the start of last season.
They didnt get him to start pre season this year until the thrid week of Jan to make sure the foot problem was 100%.
He has had stress fractures in both feet which meant wearing a moon boot for 8 weeks so it is just a little hard to get your fitness levels up when you cant do any running or cycling work.
Yes it is hugely disapointing that he has had injury problems but to say he doesn't put in on the track and he has done nothing about being overweight is completly wrong. He has actually changed his body shape a fair bit from the start of last season. Given he missed the first 6 weeks of pre season he will be a bit behind in his preperation.
Injured again yesterday.
Played on Raph Clarke so it was easy pickings.
This is his third year and correct my if i'm wrong but he's failed to string 5 games together.
I'm sick and tired of players shortchanging the fans by not being in the best possible shape. Its ok to suspend players for drinking and missing training but guys that are constantly unfit and show up overweight... well, we just make excuses for them.
I want to see him do what the boxers do and go nuts for 6 weeks prior to a fight and get in unbelievable shape.
Just a few facts for you.
The two stress fracture in the foot are not a weight issue.
The ankle injury yesterday was not a weight issue and from all reports is not that serious. Anyone in any weight range can roll an ankle
He has actually dropped over 8kg since the start of last season.
They didnt get him to start pre season this year until the thrid week of Jan to make sure the foot problem was 100%.
He has had stress fractures in both feet which meant wearing a moon boot for 8 weeks so it is just a little hard to get your fitness levels up when you cant do any running or cycling work.
Yes it is hugely disapointing that he has had injury problems but to say he doesn't put in on the track and he has done nothing about being overweight is completly wrong. He has actually changed his body shape a fair bit from the start of last season. Given he missed the first 6 weeks of pre season he will be a bit behind in his preperation.
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Not a weight issue? Stress fractures are the result of stress on weight bearing bones. I can't see how it cannot be a factor even in a small way.
Its great that he's doing the work but he has to start playing full games. Its his third year and he is yet to string 5 games together. It looks as though he's in a never ending cycle of injured then unfit then injured again.
A lot of players have season long injuries and they don't come back looking like a bloated goldfish.
Just a few facts for you.
The two stress fracture in the foot are not a weight issue.
The ankle injury yesterday was not a weight issue and from all reports is not that serious. Anyone in any weight range can roll an ankle
He has actually dropped over 8kg since the start of last season.
They didnt get him to start pre season this year until the thrid week of Jan to make sure the foot problem was 100%.
He has had stress fractures in both feet which meant wearing a moon boot for 8 weeks so it is just a little hard to get your fitness levels up when you cant do any running or cycling work.
Yes it is hugely disapointing that he has had injury problems but to say he doesn't put in on the track and he has done nothing about being overweight is completly wrong. He has actually changed his body shape a fair bit from the start of last season. Given he missed the first 6 weeks of pre season he will be a bit behind in his preperation.
Not a weight issue? Stress fractures are the result of stress on weight bearing bones. I can't see how it cannot be a factor even in a small way.
Its great that he's doing the work but he has to start playing full games. Its his third year and he is yet to string 5 games together. It looks as though he's in a never ending cycle of injured then unfit then injured again.
A lot of players have season long injuries and they don't come back looking like a bloated goldfish.
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Are you saying Hird was unfit and overweight? - because I believe you just implied that.
Are you saying Hird was unfit and overweight? - because I believe you just implied that.
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No.
Hird had injuries but was meticulous in his preparation and was always fit.
Neagle can be currently compared to our own Dean Rioli. I loved Dean as a player and Sheeds always stuck up for him but if he got himself fit and in fantastic shape he could have been a great player for us over 200 games.
I don't want to see the same thing happen with Neagle.
No.
Hird had injuries but was meticulous in his preparation and was always fit.
Neagle can be currently compared to our own Dean Rioli. I loved Dean as a player and Sheeds always stuck up for him but if he got himself fit and in fantastic shape he could have been a great player for us over 200 games.
I don't want to see the same thing happen with Neagle.
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