Thornton Trade Options

[murphster]

First of all as upsetting as it is to lose Thornton it now gives us the chance to do something really good as a result of Thornton wanting to leave and the board needs to be proactive and aggressive with our trading to achieve a big positive out of the negative.

The best thing Carlton could do IMO would be to trade Thornton and even throw something else in to try and secure the Hawks no 6 pick, if we could pull this off it would be magnificent as we could take Gibbs at 1 and his best mate in Sellar at no 6 with some luck. Sellar can also play in the ruck and is still growing, he also came 9th in the Vertical Jump at the draft camp so between his leap and expected growth he could fill our ruck role at least until we try and get Kreuser next year, and the chances of Gibbs going home with his best mate in the side are just about zero and they would both settle in a lot better with each other to lean on. A big positive result in our favour IMO.

Whether or not this is true i don't know but on the Australian Football League Board they are saying that Richmond are looking at trading Tuck and they do need a key defender so we could possibly do a straight swap with Thornton and Tuck thereby cutting the Hawks out of it and giving us a midfielder that is fantastic at winning clearances at stoppages which we do need badly. Another positive which puts us in the driver seat and sticks it to Hawthorn and Thornton for his disloyalty.

While the second option would be satisfactory our main focus should be on trying to secure a top 10 pick at all costs as the combination of Gibbs and Sellar would be a coup of massive proportions in my opinion and would give us a temporary ruckman that can play forward or back as well, a big win to Carlton and would turn our negative in Thornton wanting to leave into a huge Positive for the Blues going forward.

Thoughts?????

 

[Dramoth]

I think that any deal for Thornton is going to have to involve a pick. A fairly high pick as well as he is an established player as well as a good defender.

If Hawthorn really want him then they are going to have to make a damned good offer for him. If they manage to get Sydney's pick 15 for Everatt then that could be a bargining chip, but I personally dont think that it is high enough.

If Richmond does offer Tuck to us for Thornton, then it might be tempting to go for it. But it doesnt bring Sellar to us because we would then have to use pick 17 to get him and I am sure that the recruiting staff already have mapped out who that want at that pick.

It is either going to be the Hawks offering pick 15 if they get it for Spida for Thornton or trading pick 6 for Thornton and our pick 19 I think that will happen.

 

[deluxeman]

Problem with the Tuck option is that Thornton can say that he doesn't want to be traded to anywhere but Hawthorn. If thats the case we either can deal with Hawthorn or potentially deal with Essendon (similar to Veale deal).

A fantastic result would be Pick 6, even if it begins give up Pick 19 as well. I would also probably settle for Pick 15 (Spida deal) and 24 from Hawthorn. Of course, there is always the problem that the Hawks will probably not get Pick 15 for Spida.

The best case scenario is that Thornton is willing to be traded to a few different clubs which means that potentially clubs like Richmond and Melbourne can offer us Pick 8 or 12 which would be satisfactory returns and give us a great opportunity to pick up a young KPP. (after we select Gibbs with Pick 1 of course )

 

[murphster]

I think that any deal for Thornton is going to have to involve a pick. A fairly high pick as well as he is an established player as well as a good defender.

If Hawthorn really want him then they are going to have to make a damned good offer for him. If they manage to get Sydney's pick 15 for Everatt then that could be a bargining chip, but I personally dont think that it is high enough.

If Richmond does offer Tuck to us for Thornton, then it might be tempting to go for it. But it doesnt bring Sellar to us because we would then have to use pick 17 to get him and I am sure that the recruiting staff already have mapped out who that want at that pick.

It is either going to be the Hawks offering pick 15 if they get it for Spida for Thornton or trading pick 6 for Thornton and our pick 19 I think that will happen.

Sellar is a top 10 pick if he by some miracle got to 17 Carlton would take him in a heart beat but that won't happen anyway, my point was if the Hawthorn deal can not be done we could take a trade of Tuck for Thornton, Sellar would not be in the picture under that senario as he will go early.

 

[deluxeman]

Sellar is a top 10 pick if he by some miracle got to 17 Carlton would take him in a heart beat but that won't happen anyway, my point was if the Hawthorn deal can not be done we could take a trade of Tuck for Thornton, Sellar would not be in the picture under that senario as he will go early.

I can't see Tuck being traded. If we're having talks with Richmond we should be pushing for Pick 8. 2-3 clubs battling for him can only help.

 

[murphster]

Problem with the Tuck option is that Thornton can say that he doesn't want to be traded to anywhere but Hawthorn. If thats the case we either can deal with Hawthorn or potentially deal with Essendon (similar to Veale deal).

A fantastic result would be Pick 6, even if it begins give up Pick 19 as well. I would also probably settle for Pick 15 (Spida deal) and 24 from Hawthorn. Of course, there is always the problem that the Hawks will probably not get Pick 15 for Spida.

The best case scenario is that Thornton is willing to be traded to a few different clubs which means that potentially clubs like Richmond and Melbourne can offer us Pick 8 or 12 which would be satisfactory returns and give us a great opportunity to pick up a young KPP. (after we select Gibbs with Pick 1 of course )

I would be happy with Thornton and pick 19 for pick 6 as it would give us the above mentioned senario of Gibbs and Sellar which would be fantastic for Carlton.

 

[Dramoth]

Problem with the Tuck option is that Thornton can say that he doesn't want to be traded to anywhere but Hawthorn. If thats the case we either can deal with Hawthorn or potentially deal with Essendon (similar to Veale deal).

A fantastic result would be Pick 6, even if it begins give up Pick 19 as well. I would also probably settle for Pick 15 (Spida deal) and 24 from Hawthorn. Of course, there is always the problem that the Hawks will probably not get Pick 15 for Spida.

The best case scenario is that Thornton is willing to be traded to a few different clubs which means that potentially clubs like Richmond and Melbourne can offer us Pick 8 or 12 which would be satisfactory returns and give us a great opportunity to pick up a young KPP. (after we select Gibbs with Pick 1 of course )

Problem with that is that the Hawks would have to pick 24 to Sydney as part of the spida deal...

Personally, I think that:
Spida + pick 24 to Sydney for pick 15
T-Bird and pick 19 to Hawthorn to pick 6

Gibbs to us at pick 1, Sellar to us at pick 6, Brown to us at pick 17

sounds like a good deal to me

 

[RTBB]

Chris Pelchen (Hawks recriting officer) said, "under no circumstances will Hawthorn be trading pick 6 in the draft, any dealings we have with Carlton regarding Bret Thornton will revolve around Spida Everitt, another player (not necessarily a Hawthorn player) , a lesser draft pick or maybe all three" .

 

[blues4flag]

If Thornton is adamant he won't continue with Carlton and is beyond repair, and Hawks refuse to give pick 6, than I'll be very happy with Tuck for Thornton. Tuck was quieter this year, but is great in winning the contested ball (2nd and 3rd in contested possesions in the last two seasons) and would be a great addition to our midfield. Also, if other clubs are interested we could try to trade for about picks 8-11, which seem to be fair for Thornton.

Guess we'll know in a week's time.

 

[MC_9]

first off pick 6 is not going to happen, as we will be able to pick up Thorpe, sellar, leunenburger, to lesser extent gumbleton and Hansen.

i think this trade will down to how much Thronton wants to be at the Hawks, because if he refuses to go anywhere else they cannot trade him. He would then be forced to go into the PSD. And im pretty sure carlton would rather an early second round or late first round then nothing.

Therefore the mostly likely scenario is that it will be

24 + fringe player (unlikely)
24 + player (from 22)
24 + 15 (again unlikely)
15 + plus fringe
15 + player (from 22)
24 + 33
24 + 33 + fringe player

just my opinion on the matter.

 

[trueblue_91]

first off pick 6 is not going to happen, as we will be able to pick up Thorpe, sellar, leunenburger, to lesser extent gumbleton and Hansen.

i think this trade will down to how much Thronton wants to be at the Hawks, because if he refuses to go anywhere else they cannot trade him. He would then be forced to go into the PSD. And im pretty sure carlton would rather an early second round or late first round then nothing.

Therefore the mostly likely scenario is that it will be

24 + fringe player (unlikely)
24 + player (from 22)
24 + 15 (again unlikely)
15 + plus fringe
15 + player (from 22)
24 + 33
24 + 33 + fringe player

just my opinion on the matter.

Only 2 we would take out of that i reckon. Maybe pick 15 and a fringe player but i dont think we will be getting any more duds this time round.

Would love pick 6 for pick 19 and thornton though

 

[Bluebear]

I can't see ant club parting with a first round pick this year.
Hawks would be INSANE to part with 6, and I can't see the swans giving up 15 (Roos has said this won't be traded).
I think the likely trade for thornton will invovle Hawks second round pick and a player.
Don't rule out the smokey's for Bret though - Dees, and Tigers........again unlikely to part with a first rounder.

Spida to Sydney.
Syd pick 33 to Freo
Polak to Blues + Hawks pick 24
Thornton to Hawks.

You saw it here first.....I over heard this in a toilet.......or it was rumoured to have been said by..........um....Carro told me this would happen.

 

[Brad Pearce]

Too much talent is this draft.
Two will slip to us at 17 and 19 for sure

 

[brown_2000au]

I can't see ant club parting with a first round pick this year.
Hawks would be INSANE to part with 6, and I can't see the swans giving up 15 (Roos has said this won't be traded).
I think the likely trade for thornton will invovle Hawks second round pick and a player.
Don't rule out the smokey's for Bret though - Dees, and Tigers........again unlikely to part with a first rounder.

Spida to Sydney.
Syd pick 33 to Freo
Polak to Blues + Hawks pick 24
Thornton to Hawks.
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RIchmond will offer more than pick 33 to Freo so this wont happen and Polak would only wont to move to a club who is likely to have immediate success

 

[Bluebear]

Agreed, it would be pick 26, so we might have to sweeten it for Freo a little.

 

[AlecDuncan]

And im pretty sure carlton would rather an early second round or late first round then nothing.

Well, don't be sure then.

If it were my decision I'd take the nothing and make it a lose-lose-lose outcome rather than a lose-win-win. 2nd round pick = lose. Nothing = lose. It's no different to me. At least by forcing him to the PSD we'd keep some pride and make the other two parties hurt.

 

[*VInSaiN*]

Anyone have any objections to Thornton and Houlihan for pick #6?

 

[Funkalicous]

Anyone have any objections to Thornton and Houlihan for pick #6?

Not if it gets us Mitch Thorpe.

 

[*VInSaiN*]

Not if it gets us Mitch Thorpe.

What kind of a player is Thorp? Forward? Back? How tall?

 

[xyakks]

Anyone have any objections to Thornton and Houlihan for pick #6?

You Carlton blokes sure do drive a hard bargain...

 

[Dramoth]

You Carlton blokes sure do drive a hard bargain...

And your problem is?

Of course we drive a hard bargin... we want the best for the club and we want to start winning flags again...

I am certain that if you had someone that another club really badly wanted, you would also be trying to drive a hard bargin with them to get the best for your club...

If the weagles were after Thornton, we would possibly be asking for Judd and the eagles top 2 picks