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Originally posted by naughty monkey
Not having seen the game yet, this sounds as if we have started the year just as we finished it.
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That's exactly what it looked like. The word that comes to mind is STALE. At the start of a new season I look for signs of evolution. There were none, it was the same old, same old.

Same old predictable forward structure. Same predictable slow movement forward.

We've got some very talented and exciting players. It seems like they are on a leash and are not allowed to use their attacking flair.

We need an injection of new ideas and that doesn't include playing Ronnie in the midfield.


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This is from the club website.

Goodwin identifies trouble spots
5:26:37 PM Mon 23 February, 2004
Alan Shiell
afl.com.au
Adelaide must lift in the midfield and be cleaner and more direct with its delivery to the forwards, according to experienced midfielder Simon Goodwin, one of the Crows’ deputy vice-captains.

Goodwin described Sunday’s 13-point loss to St Kilda at AAMI Stadium as ‘frustrating and disappointing’, and he conceded the Crows’ attitude could have been surprisingly deficient.

“It’s not the way the Adelaide footy club wants to play its footy this year,” he said before training on Monday. “It certainly wasn’t the greatest start but we’ve got three weeks to work on it before round one.

“I just don’t think the playing group rocked up to play the way we know we can play. If you don’t do that and are 10 per cent off the way you want to play, then you don’t perform.

“Every game we go into we want to win, and obviously when you lose you are disappointed. I think the disappointment came from the way we went about it and the way we played.

“The first time you get to show your stuff against an opposition and you’ve had three or four months of hard training and you perform like that … it’s certainly not the way we want to perform throughout the year.

“We need to prepare ourselves the way we know we can play and just make a few minor adjustments to our game plan, and hopefully over the next three weeks we can get it right.

“I think we’re heading in the right direction. It’s just a matter of implementing it on the day.”

Goodwin said Adelaide’s normal match review on Monday morning had identified areas where players needed to improve.

“We’re 100 per cent sure of our game plan and where we’re heading with it. We’re positive and we know it’s the right game plan. We didn’t perform it very well (against the Saints) and I think our whole effort around the ball and our skills let us down completely throughout the whole day.”

Asked what positives the Crows took out of the loss, Goodwin said: “A few young guys certainly played well – Trent Hentschel and James Gallagher down back played really well and Brent Reilly played well when he came on.

“We clicked into gear for a while in the last quarter but the horse had already bolted. There were some positives there in the last quarter (in which Adelaide outscored St Kilda 35 points to 16) and that’s something we can take into this week (against Fremantle).

“We need to go full-on to try to win a few games before we head into the season, so I’m sure we’ll be playing our best-possible side and our best players will be looking to get into some form before round one.”

Goodwin said he was ‘sure’ Wayne Carey would play in the next three practice matches before the Crows’ premiership-season opener against the Kangaroos at the MCG on Sunday, March 28.

“Wayne wants to get as much footy as possible under his belt before round one,” he said. “For him to have a big year, we certainly need him to do that.

“Wayne’s pre-season has been outstanding. The way he’s moving, he’s 50 per cent better than what he did last year. I think if he continues to do that – and he’s a class player – he’ll be crucial part to our success this year.”

Veteran Adelaide defenders Nigel Smart (Achilles) and Ben Hart (calf) are expected to have their first pre-season workouts under match conditions this week, by playing a half each for either the Crows or their SANFL clubs – Smart with South Adelaide, Hart with North Adelaide.
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The thing in bold might be a bit of a worry. If thats was our game plan against St. Kilda then we are in strife:(
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
This is from the club website.

The thing in bold might be a bit of a worry. If thats was our game plan against St. Kilda then we are in strife:(
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Stiffy I think (well bloody hope!) that they knew their game plan, but just didn't follow it for whatever reason.
 

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Originally posted by PrideOf
I thought Hudson did okay. I'm not sure why the Advertiser bagged him so much ... it's his first game at this level FFS.

Good to see a big man, named Ben, with the numbers 1 and 3 on his back actually wanting to do the work. A refreshing change.
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Have you got a link?
 
If we are to go more direct weve got a chance of improving.

ie why wouldnt you go for goal from fifty out? A couple of times yesterday kicking to the southern end we frigged around kicking across the ground? :confused: Was there a wind?

Its got me ****ed - The plan (or how it was implemented )stinks. Its vital we get off to a win in Round 1:mad:
 
Originally posted by PAfolwr
Have you got a link?
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Didn't bag him so much but had a couple of sentences that were a bit out of place. I was pretty happy with his performance. Pitty he is not 5 years younger.:(

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy03/story_page/0,8747,8761275%255E21544,00.html

Like Stevens, ruckman Ben Hudson, recruited from VFL club Werribee, struggled in his Cup debut for Adelaide.

He got his hands on the ball 14 times at ruck contests but many of his hit-outs went to the opposition
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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Bode really concerns me & I have serious doubts as to whether he is in our best-22. Said a while back that I wouldn't be surprised if he is traded at the end of 2004.

The thing that concerned me most yesterday was our forward line without M Stevens could struggle again in 2004 like it did in parts of 2003. We need consistent performances by Carey, Perrie, S Stevens & Welsh. Only the later put up his hand yesterday.

Confident our midfield will return to its normal dominance once Roo & Birdman regain full fitness. Also, defence should be OK with Benny back from injury & Edwards returning to the backline.
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Good post.
Bode, if he has a bad year, its 2out 3, goodbye, as he will hopefully have some trade value.
He's too slow, doesn't try and stay on his feet, and he'sa short to medium kick.

The thing everyone admires about M.Stevens is his fearless attack on the ball. We're just missing players, forward, midfield and defensively, with a bit of mongel and fearless attack on the ball. Bode was good, so too Sugar and Bicks, but who's coming through to replace them?
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Didn't bag him so much but had a couple of sentences that were a bit out of place. I was pretty happy with his performance. Pitty he is not 5 years younger.:(

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy03/story_page/0,8747,8761275%255E21544,00.html
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Report was pretty accurate. However for a first game player at his age, great effort, and he will get better at finding our players with his taps and using his body, even better than he did yesterday.
He was certainly more impressive than Biglands.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Report was pretty accurate. However for a first game player at his age, great effort, and he will get better at finding our players with his taps and using his body, even better than he did yesterday.
He was certainly more impressive than Biglands.
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I would agree that his tap work needs work but I cannot agree that he struggled in his debut. He was one of only a handful that showed a bit to get us excited. He has got plenty of grunt. I have always said that you can teach a ruckman how to tap. I don't know if his taps went down to the oppositon because they were misdirected or because Saint got inside their man and got first to the fall of the ball. I guess its a bit of both.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I would agree that his tap work needs work but I cannot agree that he struggled in his debut. He was one of only a handful that showed a bit to get us excited. He has got plenty of grunt. I have always said that you can teach a ruckman how to tap. I don't know if his taps went down to the oppositon because they were misdirected or because Saint got inside their man and got first to the fall of the ball. I guess its a bit of both.
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I love players who genuinely give you 100%.
He seemed so intent of making a contest at ruck duals, he forgot once he got his hand to the ball, he had to tap it to someone :)
No they were mis-directed, but yes as his confidence grows so will the 2nd part of rucking; doing something with the ball.
Also the midfield has to learn his way of rucking as well, and it will take the PS matchs for both to learn about each other style.
Even when he was obviously spent, he kept the effort and head up - thats something you can work with.
:)
 

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Yes, Hudson didn't have much trouble getting his hands to the ball and I love his attitude - he was always making a second effort. AFC finally may have unearthed a rough gem out of the draft dirt.

Bode has this ugly kick across his body that he uses way too much and it makes him inclined to miss the target by a fair margin. However he is a good player, and we should wait before judging.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Didn't bag him so much but had a couple of sentences that were a bit out of place. I was pretty happy with his performance. Pitty he is not 5 years younger.:(

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy03/story_page/0,8747,8761275%255E21544,00.html
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Sounds like he may have made his mind up to bag him before the game even started.
He has a bit of Primus look about him. ie he looks like a ruckman should. He is a big bloke and behaved accordingly, plus can take a mark and tried to get involved in general play.
If that wasn't a debut for a gamble to be happy about, I dunno what is.
He may not be that young but, if he comes on, he still has quite a few more years left.

Again I didn't see the last quarter, but for the first three IMO the above statements are correct, and he is wrong about the disappointing bit.
 
Originally posted by spindoctor
Bode has this ugly kick across his body that he uses way too much and it makes him inclined to miss the target by a fair margin. However he is a good player, and we should wait before judging.
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I like Bode at the bottom of the packs getting a hard ball and handballing it out to one of our midfielders. I guess he is one of those players I would rather he handball than kick it.

He is a handy player but this year he needs to get back to his 2002 form if we are to be genuine contender.
 
Originally posted by PAfolwr
Sounds like he may have made his mind up to bag him before the game even started.
He has a bit of Primus look about him. ie he looks like a ruckman should. He is a big bloke and behaved accordingly, plus can take a mark and tried to get involved in general play.
If that wasn't a debut for a gamble to be happy about, I dunno what is.
He may not be that young but, if he comes on, he still has quite a few more years left.

Again I didn't see the last quarter, but for the first three IMO the above statements are correct, and he is wrong about the disappointing bit.
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A while ago you said that to you he was the most interesting of our recruits and you were looking forward to having a good look at him. By the sound of your post you are a bit of an instant fan:p
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
A while ago you said that to you he was the most interesting of our recruits and you were looking forward to having a good look at him. By the sound of your post you are a bit of an instant fan:p
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He might well be Stiffy, and so am I. Hudson is raw, really raw. But, geez, he has a fair crack at it doesn't he. You can work with a player who wants to do it.

He'll make the grade IMO. He'll be our back-up this year, which is what we were after, and the AFC can work on the finer points of ruckwork with him in the background to get him ready for when his time in the sun does come.

He's a very pleasant surprise.
 
Originally posted by macca23
He might well be Stiffy, and so am I. Hudson is raw, really raw. But, geez, he has a fair crack at it doesn't he. You can work with a player who wants to do it.

He'll make the grade IMO. He'll be our back-up this year, which is what we were after, and the AFC can work on the finer points of ruckwork with him in the background to get him ready for when his time in the sun does come.

He's a very pleasant surprise.
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After 2 games I have seen him in, he has won me over.

I wonder if he can play a key defensive position against someone line Lynch:eek: :o

BTW, did you hear Kerls on 5AA from his hospital bed?????? He really likes Hudson and he reckons Hentschel will be a very good player for us in time. Kerls reckons Carey is in for a big year.

Poor old Kerls, fractures of the head and all.
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
A while ago you said that to you he was the most interesting of our recruits and you were looking forward to having a good look at him. By the sound of your post you are a bit of an instant fan:p
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Part of the reason for really wanting to watch the game was to see how he went. I thought he could have been given even more responsibility given it was round 1 Wiz, but not to be.

wrt previous posts on the subject, I thought that the Crows needed a ready made ruckman to get rid of you know who, as well as young ones to train for the future.
He was the only ready made one that wasn't a reject, and by the sounds of it had improved every year he had played. Definitely worth a gamble.
Good on your recruiting staff for giving him a go.
Let's not forget that at Port we have also picked up two that didn't start playing footy till later in life. Brogan and French. Handy pick ups both of them.

Then again, showdowns will never be the same without Marshy. Next thing Nigel will retire and that'll be it. :D
(Before too many people jump on my back, yes Ol Nige is a good player, but he isn't exactly the king of showdowns.)
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
This is from the club website.

The thing in bold might be a bit of a worry. If thats was our game plan against St. Kilda then we are in strife:(
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If that WAS our game plan (even if poorly executed), then that is a career-terminating plan for Ayres. If he sticks with it & tries to get the players to execute it during the season proper, it will take Ayres a number of weeks (or maybe even a couple of months) to figure it isn't working.

By then the season is kaput. If that happens, the Ayres is kaput also.
 
Originally posted by macca23
He might well be Stiffy, and so am I. Hudson is raw, really raw. But, geez, he has a fair crack at it doesn't he. You can work with a player who wants to do it.

He'll make the grade IMO. He'll be our back-up this year, which is what we were after, and the AFC can work on the finer points of ruckwork with him in the background to get him ready for when his time in the sun does come.

He's a very pleasant surprise.
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Thats the thing, isn't it.
Of he players that I have seen so far Hudson and Gillham are the two that have impressed me. Not so much with what they did, but with what they got.
Hudsun seems to have the right stuff to be a ruckman, and you need a ruckman, and Gillham has the right attitude to be a scragging FB, and we need one of those. The rest like details and more weight can be worked on if the right stuff is there.

The other player I had a bit of a look at was Cooney up here, and he did nothing different from the two SANFL finals that I saw him in. He seems to have it all, but nonchalant is probably a good adjective for him. He seems to be used to being the star in the team (juniors), but in the AFL he is going to have to work a bit harder than that.

The one that caught my eye in that game was Farren Ray. I wasn't really watching him, but he did a few things that caught the eye. Not sure if he will get many games this year, but one to watch for the future. Would have liked to have seen the Bulldogs game the other night, but missed out on it. It was on at the same time as the Freo-Essedon game. Does anyone know how he went?
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
...I wonder if he can play a key defensive position against someone line Lynch:eek: :o
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He appears to have the strength, but Lynch can lead pretty well.
Can Hudson move off the mark?
I still think that with Lynch (and Hall, and Neitz etc) you need someone prepared to take a hit to fill up the space in front of him.
 

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