Time For A Change

[_RT_]

I have been a member of BF for just over 2 years now and the one constant in that time has been the amount of negativity that flows from our supporters. To be honest for the first 18 months there was good reason to be somewhat negative.

However the last 11 rounds of the 2008 season saw a wave of optimism sweep through and a few supporters hopped on board early and tried to take the rest of us with them. Slowly but surely more and more posters have started to feel the same way.

Now that the 2008 season is finished, I think the time has come for all Richmond supporters to start showing positive support towards the club. The one thing I have noticed looking around other team boards is the amount of positivity there is amongst their fans, even sides like WCE, Freo, Essendon & Port who had worse seasons than we did seem to more positive about their sides prospects for the future than we do about our club.

In my view Sunday was the start of the new season and based on how we finished the 08 season we should be feeling pretty confident that 2009 will be the start of a era where finals become the norm rather than the exception. So I urge all Richmond faithful to ditch the negative thoughts and start showing faith in the club. You never know what can happen if we all start showing faith in the team.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

RT really pushing for that moderator position...

 

[dyl_tigerman]

yeah RT your right but it is all well and good to say that but we now our club best and honestly the reason for negativity is because we haven't had success in ages...the clubs you listed have...
we go to games and watch them on tv only to see them win two games against the hardest of opposition and then lose to the slum like carlton below us...

think back to the 100 year celebration...
the club wanted 100,000 people we got 70,000 we came up to a season defining game that in the end cost us a spot and we couldn't get over the line...
it is the same old richmond so until this changes i don't think anything is going to change with the negativity and you no what even with success us tigers suporters will still find something or someone to back...

 

[richcogs]

Some of RT's posts these days are real starting to annoy me!

 

[beaver fever]

Another thread to add to the bin. RT you are falling to pieces.

 

[bigpapagman]

Another thread to add to the bin. RT you are falling to pieces.

+1

 

[_RT_]

RT really pushing for that moderator position...

I'm tipping you for the spot.

Some of RT's posts these days are real starting to annoy me!

Glad it is only some of them.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Maybe if we squeeze our eyes shut and wish really really hard, the footy fairies will deilver us the 2009 premiership.

 

[sante]

These threads get made every year. I've been here for about 5 years now, it'll never change. There are negative supporters with every team, even when they are successful, let them be, if they want a miserable life, then who cares.

 

[sante]

Maybe if we squeeze our eyes shut and wish really really hard, the footy fairies will deilver us the 2009 premiership.

^^^^ What he said

 

[_RT_]

Another thread to add to the bin. RT you are falling to pieces.

Sorry I forgot, no-one is allowed to feel positive about the club, until there is concrete proof that we have become a success.

 

[telsor]

Rt...

I remeber a few times during the year where you weren't exactly positive yourself...

 

[sante]

Sorry I forgot, no-one is allowed to feel positive about the club, until there is concrete proof that we have become a success.

You have done that yourself. Where were all the positive threads half way through the year?

 

[beaver fever]

Sorry I forgot, no-one is allowed to feel positive about the club, until there is concrete proof that we have become a success.

Concrete proof that we are implementing a long-term list management strategy to deliver success. I did feel heartened by Miller getting the chop, but it is only one piece of the puzzle.

 

[nut]

The thing is, if we continue to improve next year and make the finals the negative posters will just change there nicknames and jump onboard with a new name....

 

[telsor]

Concrete proof that we are implementing a long-term list management strategy to deliver success. I did feel heartened by Miller getting the chop, but it is only one piece of the puzzle.

Do you require proof that a strategy exists, or that it'll be successful?

If it's the latter, then it can only be 'proven' after the fact...I assume then you'll jump on the bandwagon...

 

[beaver fever]

All I require is the knowledge that a strategy exists. Miller's sacking was evidence that one did not, as was trading pick 19 for a flanker.

We could come top 4 next year and it would mean shit all to me if it was because we traded to get Daniel Kerr.

 

[Bojangles17]

I have been a member of BF for just over 2 years now and the one constant in that time has been the amount of negativity that flows from our supporters. To be honest for the first 18 months there was good reason to be somewhat negative.

However the last 11 rounds of the 2008 season saw a wave of optimism sweep through and a few supporters hopped on board early and tried to take the rest of us with them. Slowly but surely more and more posters have started to feel the same way.

Now that the 2008 season is finished, I think the time has come for all Richmond supporters to start showing positive support towards the club. The one thing I have noticed looking around other team boards is the amount of positivity there is amongst their fans, even sides like WCE, Freo, Essendon & Port who had worse seasons than we did seem to more positive about their sides prospects for the future than we do about our club.

In my view Sunday was the start of the new season and based on how we finished the 08 season we should be feeling pretty confident that 2009 will be the start of a era where finals become the norm rather than the exception. So I urge all Richmond faithful to ditch the negative thoughts and start showing faith in the club. You never know what can happen if we all start showing faith in the team.

well said RT, god help the agitators if I was a mod, there;d be more red cards dished out than world cup time

 

[dyl_tigerman]

All I require is the knowledge that a strategy exists. Miller's sacking was evidence that one did not, as was trading pick 19 for a flanker.

We could come top 4 next year and it would mean shit all to me if it was because we traded to get Daniel Kerr.

if we too come top four next year hypertheticolly and then do a saints lose firsat week win second lose third what would the tigers fans think about the following seasoon....
me i would be hesitant about it because knowing richmond we would miss the eight...

 

[_RT_]

You have done that yourself. Where were all the positive threads half way through the year?

Plead Guilty Your Honour

As I said in the OP there was reason to be negative during the first half of this season and all of last seasonas results didn't go as well as I hoped, but the second half of this year which saw results on the field improve, as well as stability off the field has now given me the belief that this club is heading somewhere special and I don't want to be one of the last ones to jump on board.

Some of the reasons why my opinion has changed:

• Miller got removed,
• Cameron was given the position of football manager which limits the chances of stupid trades being made and increases the likelihood that the plan will be seen through to the end,
• The club has not gone out and acted hastily by removing Wallace and his coaching panel, they actually seem to be willing to let them finish what they have started.
• There wasn't the quick delisting calls made as there have been in previous years, which leads me to believe the club is finding it harder to make calls on players which in turn shows the list is getting stronger.

Now Beaver, let me just say that I still realise that there is a fair way to go, with holes that need to be filled, but I don't see why we should sit here and think that there is little chance that we can achieve something despite this. It wont be a premiership, hell it might only be a solitary finals appearance where we get knocked out first week but at least it would be better than the last 7 years of watching on in September. After that who knows, the players become hungrier for success after getting a taste and 2010 sees us play more finals and once there who knows.

The thing is it has to start sometime and 2009 to me, seems as good a time as any to start.

 

[CoggaRules]

Sorry I forgot, no-one is allowed to feel positive about the club, until there is concrete proof that we have become a success.

RT, we are talking tigers arent we? ...Of course 99% of tigerheads will look forward to next season with some kind of optimism, but they have to a man, had it beaten out of them over the stretch, seeing as we have been in the exact same position, 9th, many times before. Turned up to round 1 the next year and gone home thinking WTF just happened, shit another year of pain. Actually it doesnt even get to round 1, we are scratching our heads after game 1 of the NAB.
You can feel positive on the back of this year, no probs, but the way i see it, the one common denominator in "SUCCESS" is....consistency.
And by that i mean consistency across all levels, week in week out perfomances of the playing group as a whole, year in year out performances of the footy dept as a group over all. Until we have a consistency across all levels, then feeling positive is all you are going to do and that only in the off season.
I for one felt positive in that 3 week stint, when the team shed its inferiority complex and hit the ball with the ferocity that i hadnt seen since 1995. What was happening before that and then what happened after that is a mystery. I cant understand how a team, that has just seen what attacking the ball can do, then fall back to the same old mistakes and never regain that kind of attack, for the rest of the year.
Yes they won the number of games on the run to the finish, but i for one didnt see the same ferocious attack as was displayed in that 3 weeks.
They play that kind of footy, for the 90% of the season, i can guarantee you we make top 3. The problem is that they played it then they didnt for the rest of the season.

 

[beaver fever]

What is the point of making finals if you can't win them? We shouldn't be aiming to ultimately make the finals, we should be aiming to ultimately win grand finals. I won't be satisfied with anything less than that.

Looking over the past 4 years I don't think we have done enough to achieve this goal, and I am not sure TW is capable of it. Some meaningless wins in the 2nd half of the season doesn't convince me of it. Neither would coming top 4 next year if we don't have the processes in place to fix our glaring deficiencies.

Hawthorn won the premiership, but they aren't even satisfied with that, they want to further improve their list for long-term success and not to simply preserve their premiership window as long as they can. WC did the same and realised they needed an injection of top talent. They will be back up there in 2 years no doubts in my mind. Richmond come 9th and TW says we are locked and loaded to make the finals and should target stars what a joke. That isn't trying to preserve a premiership window it is trying to preserve a finals window and a sure fire way to send us back to the dark days of 2004.

 

[nut]

Plead Guilty Your Honour

As I said in the OP there was reason to be negative during the first half of this season and all of last seasonas results didn't go as well as I hoped, but the second half of this year which saw results on the field improve, as well as stability off the field has now given me the belief that this club is heading somewhere special and I don't want to be one of the last ones to jump on board.

Some of the reasons why my opinion has changed:

• Miller got removed,
• Cameron was given the position of football manager which limits the chances of stupid trades being made and increases the likelihood that the plan will be seen through to the end,
• The club has not gone out and acted hastily by removing Wallace and his coaching panel, they actually seem to be willing to let them finish what they have started.
• There wasn't the quick delisting calls made as there have been in previous years, which leads me to believe the club is finding it harder to make calls on players which in turn shows the list is getting stronger.

Now Beaver, let me just say that I still realise that there is a fair way to go, with holes that need to be filled, but I don't see why we should sit here and think that there is little chance that we can achieve something despite this. It wont be a premiership, hell it might only be a solitary finals appearance where we get knocked out first week but at least it would be better than the last 7 years of watching on in September. After that who knows, the players become hungrier for success after getting a taste and 2010 sees us play more finals and once there who knows.

The thing is it has to start sometime and 2009 to me, seems as good a time as any to start.

so removing Miller was a good move?????? but we are improving which is also good???? could Miller have had a hand in this improvement in our list??? I think he had a huge impact once TW arrived.

You say you are happy with Cameron as football Manager ..... why? he topped up almsot EVERY year at the Demons, took Holland off our hands, gave Bizzel a Huge contract, pulled a fat Motlop out darwin for 10 games, Rhil Read.... ect... ect...

Can some PLEASE explain to me where Miller and the recruitment department have gone so wrong the last 4 years.... and can someone please explain why Melbourne is on the bottom and probably going to be there for a few years yet, after Cameron was with them for the best part of 10 years??? he inherited a list that was GF bound and turned them around to a team that paid 100% of the salary cap and finnished bottom.?????? I dont share the same optimism with the appointment of Cameron and I think his appoitment is FAR from justified and as supporters I think we should be given a better explanation of his exact role, because it scares me.

Personally I'd take Miller over Cameron anyday.

If we have taken recruiting powers away from TW then we have not let them finish what they started... how can he create the list that he wants???

 

[CoggaRules]

What is the point of making finals if you can't win them? We shouldn't be aiming to ultimately make the finals, we should be aiming to ultimately win grand finals. I won't be satisfied with anything less than that.

Looking over the past 4 years I don't think we have done enough to achieve this goal, and I am not sure TW is capable of it. Some meaningless wins in the 2nd half of the season doesn't convince me of it. Neither would coming top 4 next year if we don't have the processes in place to fix our glaring deficiencies.

Hawthorn won the premiership, but they aren't even satisfied with that, they want to further improve their list for long-term success and not to simply preserve their premiership window as long as they can. WC did the same and realised they needed an injection of top talent. They will be back up there in 2 years no doubts in my mind. Richmond come 9th and TW says we are locked and loaded to make the finals and should target stars what a joke. That isn't trying to preserve a premiership window it is trying to preserve a finals window and a sure fire way to send us back to the dark days of 2004.

know where you are coming from BF, but you need to crawl before you walk.
We might get lucky and play one finals series and win the flag, but i am tipping we really need to just play in finals, see where we are at, address what prevented us from going the next step and go again.
Time is on our side, we have a pretty young side, and like most, well some understand, the youngsters arent the real problem in the senior list, its the usual suspects that are.

 

[nut]

What is the point of making finals if you can't win them? We shouldn't be aiming to ultimately make the finals, we should be aiming to ultimately win grand finals. I won't be satisfied with anything less than that.

Looking over the past 4 years I don't think we have done enough to achieve this goal, and I am not sure TW is capable of it. Some meaningless wins in the 2nd half of the season doesn't convince me of it. Neither would coming top 4 next year if we don't have the processes in place to fix our glaring deficiencies.

Hawthorn won the premiership, but they aren't even satisfied with that, they want to further improve their list for long-term success and not to simply preserve their premiership window as long as they can. WC did the same and realised they needed an injection of top talent. They will be back up there in 2 years no doubts in my mind. Richmond come 9th and TW says we are locked and loaded to make the finals and should target stars what a joke. That isn't trying to preserve a premiership window it is trying to preserve a finals window and a sure fire way to send us back to the dark days of 2004.

so whats your take on Cameron???? he hasn't came out and said we will not trade our picks....

By the way my view is that we should draft kids....