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Tayl0r said:
My partner has told me on multiple occasions that my low self esteem is the only reason he had time to trap me with a baby.

So maybe figure out how to focus your attention on the girls with even lower than standard opinion of themselves?
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Wtf??
 

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Andre said:
Even the 'simple' ones of almost every list has:

1. 6 foot plus is ideal. Ok, there goes 60% of guys.
2. Works hard (Translated to be earns above average income). Goodbye over 50% of guys. No there's some truth that taller guys earn more, but just these two eliminated 75% of the male population.
3. Looks after themselves - not interested in guys that have let themselves go. More a killer for over 25's, under your body still will often let you get away with shit. Even at 25 you're nearing half of males overweight, get into those 30+ and getting more picky types and it's over half overweight.

Just these three have struck a line through 90% of the male population. This is even before must be good looking, intelligent, funny, along with simultaneously support me in my career and life choices, whilst finding time to lavish me with attention when I want it (just as long as it doesn't impact your ability to work hard and earn money or stay in shape). And of course don't ever criticise me, but 'if you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best'. Sorry, but real life isn't a rom-com where you're going to find the perfect guy (or girl).

I don't have a problem with lists as such. We all have (or had if already attached), some sort of 'must have's, want to have, meh, prefer not and red flag - run!'. What's changed is people (ok mostly women), have taken the valid point of 'you don't have to settle for second best', to construct lists that, if flipped around would see most of them eliminated before you got a third of the way down.

Not settling for crap, IMO, is good, but realistically means, if you did something like take your top 5 most important traits (be as shallow or deep as you want) in a partner and had someone else (not a BFF) who can be honest rate you, for a total score from 1-50, then you wouldn't be taking anyone more then a couple of points lower then you. These 10+ list women (and a few men), shoot for those way out of their league. I think it's fine to shoot high to begin with, that's always happened, the difference is today people then don't start winding back to someone realistic in a lot of cases. There's a big gap between finding 'Mr/Miss Perfect' and 'he/she is a drunken lout that lives at the local centrelink and would be a shit parent' that would make awesome partners for people, despite not being perfect, but seem to be invisible to large parts of the population these days.
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Two words: international dating.
 
CheapCharlie said:
I find Australian women tend to rank themselves higher than they are. Typically they believe they are 2-3 points out of 10 higher in looks and desirability than most guys would rate them. (because their friends have told them so!)
Not sure about the guys as i don't look at the profiles, it could be similar

We can broadly assume the top 20-30% of men and women have partners or can easily find a partner in a small amount of time.
So, the rest of us are in the bottom 70%.
This is not a fact most people want to admit to themselves

Asian women over 30 tend to identify their true market worth, which can be raised when they date foreigners. Traits foreigners find attractive , their home compatriots don't find desirable

Using Thailand as an example. It is so much easier dating professional women here (Managerial, medical, accountants) than Australia. You can date well outside your age and if you go down a relationship path, expectations can be managed much more easily.
For many of the women here they have their own money and a decent job, they just want a decent guy who they can hang out with and wont screw around behind their backs.

I started with no list, but over the years i have actually developed a list of loose points i look for, always flexible. The list is based more around stability than anything else
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I've always found it baffling that a guy who is ripped and seems to be good looking (as a guy I'm just guessing though) has an average looking girl on his arm. Needs to grab a paddle and leave this island as he'll get much better elsewhere.

Speaking of age, caught up with a friend in Russia who is in his mid 40s. He dates chicks anywhere from 19 to 40. Being an exotic foreigner has its fringe benefits. He's no pin-up model either.
 
utility said:
I've always found it baffling that a guy who is ripped and seems to be good looking (as a guy I'm just guessing though) has an average looking girl on his arm. Needs to grab a paddle and leave this island as he'll get much better elsewhere.

Speaking of age, caught up with a friend in Russia who is in his mid 40s. He dates chicks anywhere from 19 to 40. Being an exotic foreigner has its fringe benefits. He's no pin-up model either.
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This is a good point

Many guys are going overseas to date and find romance...

You mention Russian women... across the old Soviet bloc there are available 6 foot stunners... nice women with bigger balls than many guys

The more guys looking outside Australia the smaller the pool of available men back in OZ
 
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ash_1050 said:
Central and Eastern Europe is a tinder goldmine, you automatically get +2 points for being an English speaker and the women get +2 points because they're not overweight Australian women.
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I came across this interesting video
 
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