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[xamol]

No he isn't.

He will be our 3rd highest player behind Goodes and o'keefe. And technecially he won't even be that because of the back ending of his offer.

What ever. 4 mill over 4 year. You do the sums.

No overstating there???

 

[Mike Smyth]

What was he saying

The Tippett trade side, he pretty much rules out trading for anyone else, saying our list is complete. On the Tippett trade, Cornesy suggested we threaten redrafting Tippett in the pre-season draft. Noble said we would never consider redrafting Tippett. Cornesy said that's not the point. The point is we make them believe we will so we have abit more bargaining power. Strangely, Noble couldn't see the merit in this strategy.

 

[King Elvis]

how ridiculous that the AFL are going to wait until mid way through the trade period to announce the compo picks - of course they will have an impact on the trade period, I would have thought that would be plain ******* obvious.

seriously, its like they make shit up on the run and never seem to do anything in a manner which reflects the multi billion dollar business they run.

It's becoming more and more contrived and borderline rigged, every day.

The Clubs shouldn't never signed off on this crap - now the AFL can dictate, without anyone know how/why, exactly what a Club receives in return for losing a player?

Anybody who doesn't believe the AFL will use this to 'balance' out the Competition has rocks in their head.

 

[Vader]

Macca I poste this in another thread ....because iam struggling with the numbers myself

Lost;
Doughty
Tippett - will get player & pick or two picks???
Knights - will get compo pick
Symes
McIntyre - back to rookie
Callinan - ats back to rookie
Rutten - to veteran list
Reilly - to Veterans list

Gain
Crouch

"Rules are different next year. All lists are 40, and Veterans are included within the 40."

Current list is 42 minus Callinan & Mcintyre = 40

My reckoning ats we have 1 pick .....am i missing something

For starters, our baseline position is 39 players - 38 on the senior list, plus Dought on the veteran list.

With Doughty, Knights, Tippett & Symes all gone; Crouch upgraded to the senior list; 2 of Rutten, Reilly, Johncock becoming outside veterans (a category which will no longer exist - but the effect is the same); we currently have 4 list vacancies.

4 list vacancies, with the Knights compo TBA and the Tippett trade yet to be worked out to anything like a conclusion...

 

[Vader]

Isn't is mandatory to have 3 picks?

Correct, but those 3 picks can include rookie upgrades. Creation of a list vacancy for Crouch is additional to the mandatory 3.

 

[Cap]

I propose a red card for anyone discussing Jetta v Tippet or refering to Jetta as a trade option from now on.

maybe we could start a thread "fanciful trades and why player x is better than player y despite playing in a different position"

 

[Super sub]

Nobody is hoping for, let alone expecting, a "massive win in the deal for the crows". It's simply not going to happen. Tippett's value is 2x first round picks, one in the top-10, the other in the 11-20 range. That's not unreasonable and it's not a massive win. It's the value Mick Malthouse (who has ties to neither club) set - and it sits quite reasonably when you consider the other deals which have been done this year. It's up to Sydney as to how they come up with those picks, or the equivalent in player terms.
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Thanks for the reasonable reply.

I would have thought 10 and 20 were reasonable. Which are just on your limits. However there has been much discussion on this thread about getting 2 and 22. massive difference between 2 and 10.

It would no doubt help the discussion if the swans came out and gave an indication what they were working towards ( not going to happen) instead of everyone guessing.

There is a perception here that the swans are trying to screw you, even though no one knows what they are working on. I'll give you that if Jesse white gets mentioned then there is a wiff of gel in the air. But just a wiff.

For us to screw you you need to agree. Have faith in Noble. He seems capable.

 

[Mattrox]

I propose a red car for anyone discussing Jetta v Tippet or refering to Jetta as a trade option from now on.

maybe we could start a thread "fanciful trades and why player x is better than player y despite playing in a different position"

I'll take a red car...... Ferrari please.

 

[Cap]

I'll take a red car...... Ferrari please.

 

[Swanhotels]

I feel like nothing is going to get done until all these compo picks get sorted, AFL have really bugged this whole Free Agency/Trade period thing up. I think looking at the amount of speculation from both Swans and Crows boards no one has the foggiest idea of what will happen. It doenst help with clowns like Damian Barrett throwing baseless rumours around willy nilly. This is the first time a trade has been done with the Swans that I can remember where I genuinely have no idea whatsoever is going to be offered up.

 

[Mattrox]

Thanks for the reasonable reply.

I would have thought 10 and 20 were reasonable. Which are just on your limits. However there has been much discussion on this thread about getting 2 and 22. massive difference between 2 and 10.

It would no doubt help the discussion if the swans came out and gave an indication what they were working towards ( not going to happen) instead of everyone guessing.

There is a perception here that the swans are trying to screw you, even though no one knows what they are working on. I'll give you that if Jesse white gets mentioned then there is a wiff of gel in the air. But just a wiff.

For us to screw you you need to agree. Have faith in Noble. He seems capable.

Last time I checked 2 is in the top 10. The reason 2 comes up is GWS has 2 and they also have 1 and 3 and if a Sydney player (Mitchell) went to GWS, surely they would consider pick 2 (or 3) as a trade option.

Pick 2 and 22 or 3 and 22 seem fair to me, given that GWS are have draft picks come out of the wahzoo and are going to make out like bandits.

 

[Vader]

According to team list on website ....we have 42 players inc Callinan & Mcintyre

Take them off and it's 40

Out: Doughty, Symes, Knights, Tippett
In: Crouch, compo pick Knights, player & pick Tippett (or 2 picks?)

My Reckoning 1 free draft pick for national draft

Crouch is already on that list of 40. Including Doughty (who was an outside veteran in 2012) we had 39 players on our senior list this year.

There's no point in counting the picks we will receive for Knights and/or Tippett. At the end of the day, they just move us up the draft order, they don't affect the number of picks we have available.

At present we have 4 list vacancies. If we get 2x 1st round picks for Tippett and an end of 3rd round pick for Knights, then we'd be looking at the following:
1st round:
Tippett pick #1
Tippett pick #2
#19 (our normal 1st round pick)
2nd round:
#40 (our normal 2nd round pick)

That's it.. we wouldn't be able to use our normal 3rd round pick, or the Knights compo pick, because we have no further list vacancies to fill.

Similarly, if we get 1x 1st round pick, plus a player, for Tippett -
1st round:
Tippett pick
#19
2nd round:
#40

And once again, we exhaust our list vacancies and can take no further part in the draft process.

 

[Mattrox]

Your point is taken thought. I have to add that the stats I posted we in rebuttal to a one dimensional view of Tippetts game. He brings a lot to a team just by being in the forward 50 then rotating up the ground.

A Jetta type player is what we need, but I know that Lewis is not on the trade table.

Given Wellingham is worth a Pick 17 and what GC were looking for for Caddy, Tippett has to be worth a player of Jetta's calibre in a trade. However in lieu of not getting a suitable gun player a very high draft pick + a second 1st round is not asking overs.

 

[Super sub]

Last time I checked 2 is in the top 10. The reason 2 comes up is GWS has 2 and they also have 1 and 3 and if a Sydney player (Mitchell) went to GWS, surely they would consider pick 2 (or 3) as a trade option.

Pick 2 and 22 or 3 and 22 seem fair to me, given that GWS are have draft picks come out of the wahzoo and are going to make out like bandits.

That is what I am talking about.

You say 2 and 22 and I say 10 and 22. They both fit into this criteria that we have been talking about yet they are miles and miles apart. Pick 2 would be worth more than pick 10,15 and 22 all put together.

So until we know what Adelaide will accept and Sydney are prepared to pay we won't know of the deal is possible.

 

[Vader]

Yes thanks for that

BUT yes we have to use the Knights pick this year .......so that still makes only 2 selections in this ND when we're required to make 3 ...and that's without any extra picks gained from the Tippett Deal

No we don't. It's "use it or lose it", so we can't bank it for next year, but there's no law that says we actually have to use it. If our list is full before we get to that pick, then so be it.

 

[Vader]

No took that into account - 42 listed on website minus rookie upgrades = 40
2013 I am informed is list of 40 INCLUDING up to 4 veterans
Correct PLUS add an extra compo pick for Knights
No we had 40 this year (inc veterans) + 2 upgraded Rookies
Lose 3 - Doughty, Symes and Knights PLUS add Crouch + Compo Knights Pick = ?
That makes sense IF we have 3 ND picks .....but forgetting the Knights compo pick we still only have 2 picks

I must seriously be missing something?

You are..
Firstly, we had 39 this year, including veterans. That's one list vacancy you haven't taken into account.
Secondly, you don't count compo picks.. they just affect where your selections occur in the draft order, not the number of selections you actually have.

If the clock were stopped now, with Tippett still on our list, then we would currently have 3 picks. With Tippett traded, that rises to 4 picks, less any players we receive in return. If we receive multiple players then we're going to have to delist someone (probably Tambling) in order to meet the AFL's mandatory minimum of 3 draft selections.

 

[Sekaj]

All this Sydney "Bloods" shit is becoming almost as cringeworthy as North's "Shinboner" crap.

 

[Sekaj]

Big inside info is that Sydney will give up Mitchell for Tippett. From very respected sources.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Tippett kicked fewer goals than Jetta this year.

Yeh and Nutter Callinan kicked more than Goodesy. #signnuttertoa6yeardeal

 

[Vader]

Yep you're spot on .....Crouch being on the list currently and Knights compo pick confused me

If our current picks are at this stage, 19, 40 and 59 ....we assume any extra Tippett pick will make 59 and Knights compo pick redundant
Getting draft picks a waste if we're not going to use them?

You can always trade them to move your earlier picks up even further up the order. For example, we could package 40, 59 & Knights Compo pick for a pick in the 30-35 range.

 

[spexau]

Big inside info is that Sydney will give up Mitchell for Tippett. From very respected sources.

Wonder if this deal is more likely to involve GWS or a Melbourne based club?

 

[FAITH]

Big inside info is that Sydney will give up Mitchell for Tippett. From very respected sources.

Please Explain

 

[Johnny Rutten]

All this Sydney "Bloods" shit is becoming almost as cringeworthy as North's "Shinboner" crap.

Yeah, probably won't be much reference to "the bloods" or "our culture" when they start tumbling down the ladder (inevitable at some point). Don't hear the term "shinboner" that often anymore... coinciding with North's overall decline since their last flag.

 

[Glenno23]

Yeah, probably won't be much reference to "the bloods" or "our culture" when they start tumbling down the ladder (inevitable at some point). Don't hear the term "shinboner" that often anymore... coinciding with North's overall decline since their last flag.

Heard shinboner plenty of times when they played us at Etihad. They were on a losing streak and shinboner was every second word the commentators said pre game and during game

Need this Tippett saga to end quickly. So over it

 

[Sekaj]

Please Explain

As a followup to my previous post, the other big inside info is that Sekaj was just shit-stirring the Sydney supporters on our board.