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[Ed_Gein]

Excuse me but when was the last time the Swans went after a big named player in trade week?

Lockett was the last one. The rest either want out, not getting a game, not wanted etc etc and we take them on, turn them into decent players and all of a sudden we're poachers.

He's being shopped around, champ

I'm sure that's what you'd like to believe.

 

[ruscy002]

Serious question...if we were able to snare pick 2, would we even take Toumpas? Probably a good mix of quality and necessity in terms of our structure, but if we take the "pick the best kid available" approach, would it be him?

 

[Danoz]

Lockett was the last one. The rest either want out, not getting a game, not wanted etc etc and we take them on, turn them into decent players and all of a sudden we're poachers.



I'm sure that's what you'd like to believe.

Has been stated on trade radio. Has also been stated by FAITH (May be a bar of soap to you, but has been giving us quality inside info for a couple of years that has turned out to be true).

 

[Ed_Gein]

I suppose the radio needs news for the day to get chins wagging. Have fun with it though.

 

[The Big Sauce]

Lockett was the last one. The rest either want out, not getting a game, not wanted etc etc and we take them on, turn them into decent players and all of a sudden we're poachers.

Mate I've always been a fan of yours. But you guys have always been poachers. I don't even say that as a bad thing, you see guys that you want and make them yours. You've done it for decades.

Lockett, Hall, Everitt, Jolly, Mattner, Kennedy, McGlynn, Mumford, Bradshaw & now Tippett is just a short list of guys you've targeted for a number of reasons.

But it has been ridiculously successful. If we had that track record I'd wear it with pride.

 

[Danoz]

To put some perspective on FAITH;

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-week-thread-2.881750/page-16#post-22584010

possibly 24 will be used to get a defender from Ess and maybe Jenkins their ruck.

We know the crows still want a KPD and Ruck and Lynch and 2 more midf types. Still a long way to go....

Was said before most knew about Lynch and Jenkins

 

[RUNVS]

Mate I've always been a fan of yours. But you guys have always been poachers. I don't even say that as a bad thing, you see guys that you want and make them yours. You've done it for decades.

Lockett, Hall, Everitt, Jolly, Mattner, Kennedy, McGlynn, Mumford, Bradshaw & now Tippett is just a short list of guys you've targeted for a number of reasons.

But it has been ridiculously successful. If we had that track record I'd wear it with pride.

Mattner, Kennedy, Jolly, McGlynn were not really top players at their old clubs, Hall wanted to leave before we traded for him, Bradshaw wanted out after Voss tried to trade him and Mumford while wanted by Geelong was not wanted enough for Geelong to actually play him. Other than Lockett none of them were top of the line players when we traded for them.

 

[Ed_Gein]

Mate I've always been a fan of yours. But you guys have always been poachers. I don't even say that as a bad thing, you see guys that you want and make them yours. You've done it for decades.

Lockett, Hall, Everitt, Jolly, Mattner, Kennedy, McGlynn, Mumford, Bradshaw & now Tippett is just a short list of guys you've targeted for a number of reasons.

But it has been ridiculously successful. If we had that track record I'd wear it with pride.

Of course i wear that fact with pride. It's in the sense that some people use the term 'poachers' in a condescending tone, when really we're no different to any other club that acquires players during trade week. Mumford, McGlynn, Kennedy, Mattner and Jolly from that list there i am 100% certain wanted out for one reason or another (can't remember the circumstances behind Hall, Everitt and Bradshaw). We're not throwing big $$$ at a contracted player forcing a clubs hand to let them out because we're dangling a huge carrot in their face. If we were, we'd no doubt be rorting the cap Melbourne Storm style.

 

[BUTTON 92]

You guys can keep Tippett if it means giving up Mitchell. There is no way i want Tippett at the Swans if Mitchell is the reason he is there.

Mitchell isn't going anywhere.

Next!

You guys clearly have no idea of Tippetts true worth and what you are actually getting with him, if you won't even consider a young mid who hasn' t played a single AFL game yet.
By the way Mitchell is getting shopped around. Umad?

 

[Crowfoot]

Lockett was the last one. The rest either want out, not getting a game, not wanted etc etc and we take them on, turn them into decent players and all of a sudden we're poachers.
I'm sure that's what you'd like to believe.

- Sydney Swans. Giving Shelter to Homeless Full Forwards since 1995! -

 

[Ed_Gein]

- Sydney Swans. Giving Shelter to Homeless Full Forwards since 1995! -

Hall and Lockett were worth over 900 goals to us. So i can't complain.

You guys clearly have no idea of Tippetts true worth and what you are actually getting with him, if you won't even consider a young mid who hasn' t played a single AFL game yet.
By the way Mitchell is getting shopped around. Umad?

A F/S that was touted as a top 10 draft pick. He hasn't played because he has had his injuries this year. I think you're overstating Tippett's worth if you think we'd give up Mitchell to get him. Assuming you'll be wanting a draft pick to go with it.

 

[xamol]

Hall and Lockett were worth over 900 goals to us. So i can't complain.



A F/S that was touted as a top 10 draft pick. He hasn't played because he has had his injuries this year. I think you're overstating Tippett's worth if you think we'd give up Mitchell to get him. Assuming you'll be wanting a draft pick to go with it.

Tippett is about to become your highest paid player.

Now who is overstating what????

 

[RUNVS]

You guys clearly have no idea of Tippetts true worth and what you are actually getting with him, if you won't even consider a young mid who hasn' t played a single AFL game yet.
By the way Mitchell is getting shopped around. Umad?

Tippett kicked fewer goals than Jetta this year.

 

[Vader]

In the same way that you are worried about your compensation for Tippett swans fans are worried about Mitchell. He is the only player of top ten value that we have had at our club for years.

So the concerns aren't all one sided.

Understood - Adelaide are in the same basket. Adelaide have never had a draft pick inside the top-7, other than players who have subsequently found their way to the Crows by way of trade - long after their value had fallen significantly.

The fact remains though - Tippett is/was Adelaide's highest paid player, he will very soon by Sydney's highest paid player. If you want to gain something of quality, you have to give up something of quality in return.

I used the Armstrong case to show that we have a history of doing the right thing which seems to have been lost in the discussion here.

I'm more than happy to acknowledge that Adelaide/Sydney deals have been fair & equitable, and usually sorted out fairly quickly as well. I expect things to be a bit different this time around, because the calibre of player involved is entirely different. In the past we were dealing with minor players and nothing draft picks. Now we're talking about the movement of Adelaide's highest paid player. Massive difference, hence the additional angst associated with the deal.

All the crow posters want a massive win in the deal for the crows, swans fans want to get him for nothing. Neither will happen.

Nobody is hoping for, let alone expecting, a "massive win in the deal for the crows". It's simply not going to happen. Tippett's value is 2x first round picks, one in the top-10, the other in the 11-20 range. That's not unreasonable and it's not a massive win. It's the value Mick Malthouse (who has ties to neither club) set - and it sits quite reasonably when you consider the other deals which have been done this year. It's up to Sydney as to how they come up with those picks, or the equivalent in player terms.

One other point. Tippett would be the 3rd highest paid player at the swans. Behind both Goodes and o'keefe. And that is not because of any backending

Maybe in the first year of his contract, due to the backending of his contract. I doubt that either of these players are on more, when the contract is viewed on a per-year basis.

 

[nightchook]

Tippett kicked fewer goals than Jetta this year.

He also played 4 less games, Jetta had 2 Contested marks, K$T had 50... whats your point? back to the mushroom fungus...

 

[The Big Sauce]

Mattner, Kennedy, Jolly, McGlynn were not really top players at their old clubs, Hall wanted to leave before we traded for him, Bradshaw wanted out after Voss tried to trade him and Mumford while wanted by Geelong was not wanted enough for Geelong to actually play him. Other than Lockett none of them were top of the line players when we traded for them.

Of course i wear that fact with pride. It's in the sense that some people use the term 'poachers' in a condescending tone, when really we're no different to any other club that acquires players during trade week. Mumford, McGlynn, Kennedy, Mattner and Jolly from that list there i am 100% certain wanted out for one reason or another (can't remember the circumstances behind Hall, Everitt and Bradshaw). We're not throwing big $$$ at a contracted player forcing a clubs hand to let them out because we're dangling a huge carrot in their face. If we were, we'd no doubt be rorting the cap Melbourne Storm style.

As I said you are the best in the league at it, you target needs and allow players to grow. I never said that the guys who left didn't have reasons to want out, pretty much all of them did. You target the disenfranchised and you do it very well.

They weren't all marquee signings when you got them, of those mentioned only Lockett, Everitt, Bradshaw & Tippett would be marquee signings at the time (I'm only including Tippett because of his wage).

 

[Super sub]

Tippett is about to become your highest paid player.

Now who is overstating what????

No he isn't.

He will be our 3rd highest player behind Goodes and o'keefe. And technecially he won't even be that because of the back ending of his offer.

 

[Methusellah]

tippett for every player the swans delisted. but that would be massive overs in the mardi gras state.....

 

[The Big Sauce]

Tippett kicked fewer goals than Jetta this year.

4 less games + 3 sub affected games. Be selective of your stats.

 

[Vader]

This is a hypothetical and Vader your probably best for this.
I'm not interested in the likelihood or anything, would just like to know.

Say Tippo negotiations with Sydney breakdown, Brissy jump in quickly and say we'd really like him we'll give you pick 8 but we cant fit him under the salary cap now that Moloney's with us.
AFC - well we've got $800k spare, how about you pay him 75%, we pay 25% of the contract.
Would the AFL allow this ?

Again just want to know the rule, not interested in "AFC would never do that" blah blah

Yes, the AFL would probably allow that. It's not unusual for a player to be traded, with his former club paying part of his salary. However, this usually happens when a player is traded mid-contract, with the new club taking full responsibility once that old contract expires. Fevola's move to Brisbane is a perfect example of such an arrangement, with Carlton paying a large part of his salary for the first year or two of his time in Queensland.

It would be unusual, in that Tippett is currently out of contract - but it could happen.

 

[The Big Sauce]

No he isn't.

He will be our 3rd highest player behind Goodes and o'keefe. And technecially he won't even be that because of the back ending of his offer.

You're paying Goodes & O'Keefe over 700k a year?

 

[Mattrox]

Tippett kicked fewer goals than Jetta this year.

Tippett 1.9 goals per game from 21 games of which 3 were injury shortened.
Jetta 1.8 goals per game from 25 games.

Tippett has 7.8 contested possessions per game vs 4.7

7.5 hit outs per game vs 0
2.0 1%ers vs 1.3

So Tippett is a contested marking machine who can capably take the ruck during a game and win his own ball around the ground.

You must be confused because blistering runs are exciting to watch, so much so you forget about other aspects of the game.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Mate I've always been a fan of yours. But you guys have always been poachers. I don't even say that as a bad thing, you see guys that you want and make them yours. You've done it for decades.

Lockett, Hall, Everitt, Jolly, Mattner, Kennedy, McGlynn, Mumford, Bradshaw & now Tippett is just a short list of guys you've targeted for a number of reasons.

But it has been ridiculously successful. If we had that track record I'd wear it with pride.

I'm sure other teams were also interested in the players you mentioned above. However, they may not have been able to fit them in their salary cap.

 

[King Elvis]

I think it has far more chance of getting over the line if Mitchell is the player attached. SOS quoted today or yesterday as saying he thinks he's the best player on an AFL list we haven't seen yet.

I want him then!

You guys can keep Tippett if it means giving up Mitchell. There is no way i want Tippett at the Swans if Mitchell is the reason he is there.

"No Premiership plays on the table, we're keeping them together, look elsewhere!!"

"Rohan?"

"Piss off, so what if he didn't play in a Premiership, the kids a gun and isn't going anywhere!!"

"Mitchell?"

"Get stuffed, the kids a gun, family are here, best player in the AFL to not play AFL regularly!"

"So...."

"You can have Seaby."


You guys are morons.

You're going to have to trade something decent to land your ~$1M per annum player; unless you don't want him as badly as your paypacket would suggest.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

What do we get for losing GHS?

If you follow the Swans theory of trading, a bucket of hot chips but from us pick 22 or pick 39